The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

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2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[GILSAN]

Did you watch his interview with Justice Anthony Scalia? Piers did the same by criticizing the constitution the same way, but Scalia knows the constitution more than anyone and asked Peirs if he read it, the answer was NO.

Criticizing what our founding fathers wrote without even reading it, I guess if you have a English accent, any idiot can get a job on CNN.

And I must say it was great to see Robert Blake rip him to shreds. Probably the best interview I've seen in a LONG time... If you haven't seen it, look for it on YouTube... Classic Blake

I saw both, the Blake one I saw on 2 occasions. Like Larry King says "Piers only cares about Piers"
Tonight he interviewed Zimmerman's brother and tried using his usual bully tactics, lies and constant interruptions, but failed miserably once again.

I think Obama will probably win another Nobel Prize. After all, if he won the first Nobel for doing nothing 4 years ago, he must surely be outright favorite for this year's Nobel after being re-elected for doing 4 years of nothing, don't you think?

 

[Theo Goodman]

"What does any of that have to do with the fact of a plane hitting the Pentagon? Again we have:

video
pictures
debris
witnesses

Again, all that conspiracy theory nonsense on this subject, has been taken apart.

I left out something very important. How about those families who lost loved ones on that plane? Are they imaginary as well? "

I am not suggesting anyone that died is "imaginary". Video, pictures, debris and witnesses can all be manipulated to paint a picture how you want. It is well documented that the goverment has programs to do such things. There is and was a big effort to counter, troll, and "de-bunk" any internet content that asks the "wrong" questions. This is not a conspiracy , this effort is openly documented by agencies of the goverment. Therefore all of the "de-bunking" that you presented could very well be partialy manipulated.
Ironicly one of the "de-bunking" sites about sandy hook says that eye witnesses are "very unreliable" and not good for "proof" that is what is so funny/interesing. They can be used by either side.
Both sides have de-bunked eatch other about these topics:
video - depends how you look at it
pictures - depends how you look at it
debris - has been found that is consistant with bombs
witnesses- firefighter reported bombs (but those are those unreliable eye witnesses)

It is tabu to talk about most so called "conspiracies" as you will be called a "wacko" for even speaking a word that shall not be spoken.


PBS aired a pro-drone "drones are cool" docu on NOVA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OKluZFZoHs

Part of the funding for the show came from a well known drone producer. Not only that the "ultra liberal" Jon Stewert had some "drone operator" on the show and continued the "drones are cool" message.

 

[DU]

Did you watch his interview with Justice Anthony Scalia? Piers did the same by criticizing the constitution the same way, but Scalia knows the constitution more than anyone and asked Peirs if he read it, the answer was NO.

Criticizing what our founding fathers wrote without even reading it, I guess if you have a English accent, any idiot can get a job on CNN.

I'll put money on less than 1% of people commenting on it having read it so I guess we're all idiots.

I'll be very surprised if you've read it in its entirety.

Scalia may know the constitution but the constitutionalist approach to law is quite lazy and harmful (imho). It's the legal equivalent of Fundamentalist Islam/Christianity.

I know that that the constitution wasn't wholly written by the founding fathers - I think most died in the 18th century though I guess we can channel their energy or something.

 

[Theo Goodman]

"What do you mean by this? Show me an example of Morgan acting or saying anything like A Jones."

AJ does not define "wackoism" so therefore you need not act like him to be a "wacko"

This is an example of "wackoness"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RC4JJWUtzkc

the true face of a wacko

Not only is he a wacko he was fired from the newspaper that he was more or less in charge of, and probaly was involved in insider trading. But that kind of stuff is not normaly deemed "wacko" but instead quite normal.

 

[GILSAN]

"What do you mean by this? Show me an example of Morgan acting or saying anything like A Jones."

AJ does not define "wackoism" so therefore you need not act like him to be a "wacko"

This is an example of "wackoness"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RC4JJWUtzkc

the true face of a wacko

Not only is he a wacko he was fired from the newspaper that he was more or less in charge of, and probaly was involved in insider trading. But that kind of stuff is not normaly deemed "wacko" but instead quite normal.

Piers Morgan has the blessing of the Obama administration. Anyone that does not see that is blind. Prior to his present gun control obsession, all he cared about was Gay Marriage, Racism and Abortion, another three very important things for Liberals.

Piers the Bully is getting whacked with more frequency lately :D and that's a good thing. See Piers Morgan and Ted Nugent Video interview about Gun Control, 3 days ago:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQtQVebA5Gg"]Ted Nugent Owned Piers Morgan For His 'Obsession' With Guns: 'Will You Leave Us The Hell Alone?' - YouTube[/ame]

If you watch Piers you will notice that when he interviews liberal movie stars or politicians all he does is kiss their asses and lick their boots, but when he gets conservatives on his show he transforms himself into a lying bully who constantly twists the truth.

Lately however, a lot of conservatives just talk over him otherwise they don't get a chance to express themselves.

Piers Morgan worked in UK's Daily Mirror newspaper as Editor but was sacked in 2004 after the newspaper conceded that photos of British soldiers abusing an Iraqi were fake.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3716151.stm

CNN however, had no qualms in hiring this POS lying bullshitter of a journalist that no one in the UK wants back.

 

[JB Lions]

"Video, pictures, debris and witnesses can all be manipulated to paint a picture how you want."

No it can't. We're talking about the plane that hit the Pentagon. So a missile hit and somebody went out there and threw plane debris everywhere? Wow, how did they do that and get away with it? Those videos of a plane hitting the Pentagon are imaginary? Those hundreds of families that lost love ones, were manipulated into the big scheme, so all those passengers must have been planted on the plane as well? I guess they had to find all those people willing to commit suicide for this. Oh, and all the witnesses on the ground, they were in on it too?

Anybody who doesn't believe a plane hit the Pentagon is just bat shit crazy and easy manipulated. Gullible types. Hang out in some forest, drink the Kool Aid, mass suicide types. To actually try to debate facts/reality is ridiculous.

Now if you want to talk about other stuff the government has done over the years, you would have more of a case. An an example, I was just watching an old foreign movie Breathless and was thinking the girl in the movie was kinda fly, Jean Seberg, and was thinking what happened to her, never heard of her before. She killed herself, you can see what the Hoover FBI did to her - [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Seberg"]Jean Seberg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

But that's real. Or something like this - [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra"]Project MKUltra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

But the 9/11, Truther stuff is just nonsense, and it gets inflamed by somebody looking to make money on lazy/gullible people.

As far as Piers Morgan, I don't like the guy as well. Most of the stuff he does is for self promotion, thing somebody said that earlier. I've seen some of the gun interviews and people come with facts, that he doesn't want to hear.

As far as guns, I think we should have universal background checks, don't see the need for everybody people to have certain automatic high powered weapons, close the gun show loophole etc. However when you look at the numbers, talking about murder, it's mostly handguns. It's mostly inner city, gang related, high population areas. That's what needs to be looked at, worked on. What's happening that fosters that type of environment, can anything be done to improve that.

 

[Theo Goodman]

I dont expect people to belive foaming at the mouth emotional "truthers" I just mean that people should at least look into it, not doing so would be lazy/gullible. To think that there is 0% goverment net propaganda that is used to discredit any and everything that could threaten "secruity" is what is lazy/gullible. Many of the "truther" groups are probaly nothing but sockpuppets anyway made to make anyone and any arguement about many topics look "wacko". Nobody, not even the "truthers" are saying that nobody died. Nobody is claiming that. I dont mean hollographic images or the like with the video , I mean that editing of video content like in the "conspiracy" videos on youtube or your nightly news. This can be done to scew anything and create the opinion that you want to present. That is what happens on the news every single day. Same goes for pictures. Witnesses if they say the "right" thing are presented as confirming the "truth" while witnesses that do not confirm what you want to present are -not presented- that is manipulation. Debris can be planted by a child, that would be manipulation. The continue emotional "what about the people that died" loop is a horrible argument and proves nothing since nobody is claiming that nobody died. It is an emotional tactic used and you would have to be lazy or guilible to belive that by simply asking a question that you are insinuating lack of death or compasion. "if you do not fall into line and go with my opinion you are wacho,lacking compassion and dening death and suffering" .
Just because things -can- happen doesnt mean they did. Of course , the problem is the grouping together of many events and that if you are to questions one or even one small part of any of them you are obviosly a wacko.

Wacko is giving mexican cartels arms and then talking about gun control and how we need to look in to gang violence. Done by a democratic president. Wacko is funding islamic jihadists in mulitpule countries while cliaming that is one of the main dangers to US "security". That is where the real wackoness lies.

 

[JB Lions]

They did look into it, a plane hit the Pentagon. There is no doubt in that, among rational people.

"Debris can be planted by a child, that would be manipulation"

It can be but it wasn't in this case. Unless you think there were kids walking around Washington D.C. carrying plane debris, waiting to scatter it on the ground after a missile strike.

"The continue emotional "what about the people that died" loop is a horrible argument and proves nothing since nobody is claiming that nobody died."

No, it's not. And it wasn't brought up for any emotional tug. It was brought up because it's real, the enemy of truthers. There was a plane with people on it. They had family members, loved ones, friends, coworkers etc. For the missile struck the Pentagon to be true, all that had to be false. Now take that and put it on top of video, pictures, debris, witnesses etc and you have reality. And if anybody is still debating whether or not a plane hit the Pentagon at this point, they probably need to seek some mental help and yes, they would be wacko.

 

[Theo Goodman]

I said that you -can- manipulate those things, and you said "you cant" sorry but you can, and that is just the truth. I can find it on wiki if you want.


Democrats dont care about dead children.
Ask the families of drone victoms.

 

[JB Lions]

I said that you -can- manipulate those things, and you said "you cant" sorry but you can, and that is just the truth.

You're not reading at all, again:

"It can be but it wasn't in this case."

I said it didn't happen in what you brought up, the plane hitting the Pentagon. And then you post random stuff like:

"Democrats dont care about dead children.
Ask the families of drone victoms."

 

[Theo Goodman]

""Video, pictures, debris and witnesses can all be manipulated to paint a picture how you want."

No it can't"
Notice the use of bold , that is where you state that videos pictures and ect can not be manipulated. Then in the post after you say that ""It can be but it wasn't in this case."" which is a change of heart.
I did not say that a plane did not hit anything. I just said that you could manipulate the video ect. And that the "proof" and "de-bunking" that you posted could as easily be manipulated as any other youtube video by a so-called "wacko". Thats it. Not only that ,the goverment has a much bigger budget to produce videos, content pay sockpuppets ect. No that is not exclusive to one of the words that should not be spoken that is three numbers but goes for many topics.

thats it. I dont claim to have the answers or know the "truth".

None of that is random and this:
"Democrats dont care about dead children.
Ask the families of drone victoms."
uses the exact logic of your bringing up the dead people in a an endless loop.
Random would be to ask

"What is "Bergermeister" in English?"

Berger King

 

[GILSAN]

Joe Biden is a bit confused. He wants gun control, but doesn't think it will have any effect.

I have a suggestion Joe; why not concentrate on GANG Control instead? Or is that too politically incorrect to talk about? Solve that problem and you solve 75% of gun murders in one go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TTyoppK_aDM

 

[DU]

Joe Biden is a bit confused. He wants gun control, but doesn't think it will have any effect.

Thats not what he said, but whatever, its not like we want truth and integrity in reporting (or forums) or anything.

 

[GILSAN]

Thats not what he said, but whatever, its not like we want truth and integrity in reporting (or forums) or anything.

Not what he said? Then explain to us all how you intrepid what he said :?

 

[verbster]

Joe Biden is a bit confused. He wants gun control, but doesn't think it will have any effect.

I have a suggestion Joe; why not concentrate on GANG Control instead? Or is that too politically incorrect to talk about? Solve that problem and you solve 75% of gun murders in one go.

And how would you solve the gang problem? Do you just turn loose all the AR-15 equipped Ted Nugents in the United States and let them mow down anyone they think is a gang member? How about shooting all the adults and teens who contribute to pregnancies and set the stage for gang membership. Or maybe take the Wayne Lapierre stand one step further and require that every person 18 and older carry a gun and make self-defense laws virtually meaningless? Be like China ordering everyone to kill five flies per day...require just one kill per week, and in a month there will be dancing in the streets.

 

[GILSAN]

And how would you solve the gang problem? Do you just turn loose all the AR-15 equipped Ted Nugents in the United States and let them mow down anyone they think is a gang member? How about shooting all the adults and teens who contribute to pregnancies and set the stage for gang membership. Or maybe take the Wayne Lapierre stand one step further and require that every person 18 and older carry a gun and make self-defense laws virtually meaningless? Be like China ordering everyone to kill five flies per day...require just one kill per week, and in a month there will be dancing in the streets.

How about Obama & Joe Biden prioritizing fixing the gang problem first. If people are arming themselves it's probably out of fear from gangs and from being robbed or assaulted.

From what I understand the police know the identity of most gang members. Why not make it a crime to belong to a gang! Did you know that the number of gang members in the U.S. has increased by 40 percent since 2009?

This article below entitled: There Are 1.4 MILLION Gang Members In The United States And More Pour Into The Country Every Single Day has lots of interesting info and stats.

http://endoftheamericandream.com/ar...-pour-into-the-united-states-every-single-day

13 American Gangs That Are Keeping The FBI Up At Night

http://www.businessinsider.com/dangerous-american-gangs-fbi-2011-11?op=1#ixzz2KJtg4qOc

Amazing; about 80% of gangs in the US are Hispanic and African American

http://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/Survey-Analysis/Demographics

What do you think can be done? How about you suggesting something constructive instead of talking about the Chinese having to kill 5 flies per day :? which makes no sense in this conversation.

Wikipedia has this to say about the 18th Street Gang, the biggest in California….

"A US Justice Department report from 2009 estimates that the 18th Street gang has a membership of some 30,000 to 50,000 with 80% of them being illegal aliens from Mexico and Central America and is active in 44 cities in 20 states. Its main source of income is street-level distribution of cocaine and marijuana and, to a lesser extent, heroin and methamphetamine. Gang members also commit assault, auto theft, carjacking, drive-by shootings, extortion, homicide, identification fraud, and robbery."

If 80% of those gangsters are illegal, why not deport them? Or were they important to help Obama get re-elected?

 

[verbster]

How about Obama & Joe Biden prioritizing fixing the gang problem first. If people are arming themselves it's probably out of fear from gangs and from being robbed or assaulted.

Isn't this what Michael Moore said?

From what I understand the police know the identity of most gang members. Why not make it a crime to belong to a gang! Did you know that the number of gang members in the U.S. has increased by 40 percent since 2009?

You think making it a crime to belong to a gang would stop gangs?That police should arrest 1.4 million supposed gang members? Are you serious?

Amazing; about 80% of gangs in the US are Hispanic and African American

Would it make you feel better if they were Swedish?

What do you think can be done? How about you suggesting something constructive instead of talking about the Chinese having to kill 5 flies per day :? which makes no sense in this conversation.

If a=b and b=c, then you should be able to infer the rest. A solution? Well, let's try your approach and make belonging to a gang a crime. I'm sure gang members would go directly to the local precinct and turn themselves in because they certainly don't want to do anything illegal. Their punishment would be to be sent to someplace like, ummm, Portugal, where they could be transformed into ascot-wearing wine-sippers.

Wikipedia has this to say about the 18th Street Gang, the biggest in California….

"A US Justice Department report from 2009 estimates that the 18th Street gang has a membership of some 30,000 to 50,000 with 80% of them being illegal aliens from Mexico and Central America and is active in 44 cities in 20 states. Its main source of income is street-level distribution of cocaine and marijuana and, to a lesser extent, heroin and methamphetamine. Gang members also commit assault, auto theft, carjacking, drive-by shootings, extortion, homicide, identification fraud, and robbery."

If 80% of those gangsters are illegal, why not deport them? Or were they important to help Obama get re-elected?

Well, sure. Not a problem. I'm sure if we ask politely they'll cheerfully deport themselves. Do you honestly think drive-by murderers would band together to vote because of some sort of civic duty or desire to re-elect Obama because they are hard-core liberals or something?

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Once in a while in our pitiful discussions, someone exercises an egregious lack of judgment and utters something that's simply offensive.

Democrats dont care about dead children. Ask the families of drone victoms.

Congratulations.

 

[DU]

Would it make you feel better if they were Swedish?

You know, I'd fear the Swedish gangs.. they come armed with Cleavers and Chicken.

Seriously. I liked your post. Thanks.

 

[verbster]

There's something fascinatingly funny about a Swede stringing together 30 seconds of cursing. Used to have a Swedish tennis friend (yup, he was named Bjorn) who regularly kicked my butt on the court, but when he missed a shot, he would rattle out a string of Swedish invectives, so serious but in such a melodic way that all I could do was laugh.

So watch out for the Swedish gang-bangers when they begin yodeling curses.

 

[GILSAN]

You know, I'd fear the Swedish gangs.. they come armed with Cleavers and Chicken.

Seriously. I liked your post. Thanks.

At least Swedish gangs only kill chickens or kick Verbster's Butt