The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[GILSAN]

I give zero F*ucks

You give zero F'ucks to who? Me or the skater?

 

[mr-x]

You give zero F'ucks to who? Me or the skater?

I'm the skater.

 

[GILSAN]

You're confusing public and Gov. You can burn either one. You can fly your confederate flag in public places.

Oh OK... In Portugal "Public" property refers to Government property and what you call "Public" we call "Private"

That's were my confusion came from. Thanks for clearing it up

 

[GILSAN]

I'm the skater.

You're older than me?

 

[mr-x]

You're older than me?

This is me when I was your age..

 

[mr-x]

You're older than me?

Dude.. I have seven grand kids. Two of them are in High School !

You should buy my domains before I die and the prices go up

 

[GILSAN]

Dude.. I have seven grand kids. Two of them are in High School !

You should buy my domains before I die and the prices go up

LOL... Buying domains. I gave that up. Now I'm just letting the few I have left, drop. You're a lucky guy to have 7 grand kids. @iowadawg is even luckier than you... he already has great, great grand kids.

 

[iowadawg]

No, just two great grandchildren.....
got to wait some years for the great greats to come along!

 

[GILSAN]

No, just two great grandchildren.....
got to wait some years for the great greats to come along!

Ooops... That's still a great feat and very

 

[Kate]

I guess some children didn't have to recite this every morning...

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

I took that pledge every day. I also remember there were a few people who refused for religious reasons.

I've been in many countries where there is separation of the Church and the State, for good reasons. Some people are not religious, don't believe in God, or have their own definition. They shouldn't have to sing the anthem in its current form, and that doesn't mean they are being unpatriotic. Their nation has nothing to do with God.

At school I didn't have to sing the national anthem (fortunately). I don't think that many countries still maintain the practice. I don't like the idea of children being brainwashed from an early age. They end up thinking their country is greater than what it really is, and lack critical thinking skills.
Children should have natural respect for their country. But respect is something that you earn from your deeds, not from your words (propaganda). Singing the national anthem won't fix the lack of legitimacy of the US government. The proof is that nowadays grown-ups no longer respect the presidency and their institutions. The US is another failed democracy.

Note that I am purposefully using words like State, Country, and Government which are all different but interwoven concepts. People tend to confuse all these. In my view true patriots love their country and hate their government.

 

[N-A]

A pledge is meaningless unless offered freely.

Snowflakes that don't freely want to make that pledge should make their way to another country.

I've been in many countries where there is separation of the Church and the State, for good reasons. Some people are not religious, don't believe in God, or have their own definition. They shouldn't have to sing the anthem in its current form, and that doesn't mean they are being unpatriotic. Their nation has nothing to do with God.

At school I didn't have to sing the national anthem (fortunately). I don't think that many countries still maintain the practice. I don't like the idea of children being brainwashed from an early age. They end up thinking their country is greater than what it really is, and lack critical thinking skills.
Children should have natural respect for their country. But respect is something that you earn from your deeds, not from your words (propaganda). Singing the national anthem won't fix the lack of legitimacy of the US government. The proof is that nowadays grown-ups no longer respect the presidency and their institutions. The US is another failed democracy.

Note that I am purposefully using words like State, Country, and Government which are all different but interwoven concepts. People tend to confuse all these. In my view true patriots love their country and hate their government.

The purpose of me posting the pledge was not to show that God is referenced in it, thus making it a 1st Amendment right not to partake in reciting it. It was to illustrate that the flag and what the flag represents are two entirely distinct points. What was being argued by you, if I didn't take it out of context, was that the flag was merely a thing that represents another; that simply isn't true. The pledge demonstrates that the flag and what it represents are separated.

 

[GILSAN]

This is me when I was your age..

What is that bloody contraption? Is that how you learnt to skate?

 

[Kate]

I have a lot more respect for the Constitution, than the flag (or the pledge). The pledge is an obligation and amounts to unquestioned obedience (no wonder it's taught at schools...). The US Constitution incorporates the Bill of Rights, which provides rights and freedoms, and limits the powers of government. These are two very different things.

However, the politicians (from all sides) seeking to criminalize desecration of the US flag are usually those who have consistently violated the Constitution and trampled on your rights.
I prefer to protect the Constitution, rather than the flag.

 

[N-A]

I prefer to protect the Constitution, rather than the flag.

Are you unable to do both?

 

[Kate]

Like most citizens, I respect the flag in general. You should know that I don't post offensive stuff wantonly but to make a point.
Burning the flag doesn't shock me so much as an act of protest, especially when your country does something bad. During the Vietnam war it was a routine act. (OK, maybe it would shock me but I would have to tolerate it anyway).
I would never jail anybody over it, let alone strip him of their citizenship (and therefore their rights). So I don't think the flag must be protected at any cost, not if it means abolishing first amendment rights. Hope that's clear enough.

 

[mr-x]

I don't think that many countries still maintain the practice. I don't like the idea of children being brainwashed from an early age. They end up thinking their country is greater than what it really is, and lack critical thinking skills.

Children should have natural respect for their country. But respect is something that you earn from your deeds, not from your words (propaganda).

Grade schools still take the pledge of allegiance in the US, at least in my part of the US.

Learning what the pledge means, why we say it is important. It teaches respect for our country, history, constitution, etc.. It's part of the overall civics lesson.

Children don't learn by osmosis.

 

[fatter]

I personaly I have no issue with people protesting peacefully, wether its burning the flag, refusing to stand for nathional anthem or refusing to say the pledge. I have an issue with people spitting on our Vietnam vets,
when they came back and beating them. Most didn't want to go but did out of a loyality to their country and not wanting to dodge the draft. I also have a big issue with them blocking streets and bridges, doing damage to private businesses and vehicles. I have and have taught my children to respect authority, (gov) to disagree peaceably. I don't believe in disrespecting the president, I disagree with most of his policies but I think we go overboard with personal attacks.

 

[iowadawg]

Remember....a citizen must respect the office of the presidency.
But a citizen does not have to respect who is in the office.

I was taught to respect the flag, but I did not have to respect the flag holder.

I was taught to respect military members, bit I did not have to respect the ones who ordered them into combat.

 

[salvador5266]

"Flag Burning" is the last refuge of the imaginatively bankrupt

 

[GILSAN]

'It will be a very expensive mistake' Trump says companies who leave the United States and fire their employees will face massive tax increases in Sunday morning Twitter tirade

• President-elect had a stern warning for firms planning to outsource
• Hinted businesses who stay in the United States will see tax reductions
• But he said those wanting to move past the borders will be punished
• 'Please be forewarned prior to making a very expensive mistake,' he said
• Keeping businesses in the United States was a focal point of Trump's race
• He is now taking the policy into the White House and has already made a deal with manufacturer, Carrier, to keep jobs this side of the border

Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3999086/It-expensive-mistake-Trump-says-companies-leave-United-States-fire-employees-face-massive-tax-increases-Sunday-morning-Twitter-tirade.html#ixzz4Rn337139

Donald Trump had a stern warning to companies thinking of leaving the United States during his Sunday morning Twitter tirade.

LOL... love the way he has ignored the MSM. Their blood must be boiling. They will just have to invent stories now to fill the time...