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Who is to Blame for the Troubled US Economy?

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A new California law fines you $1,000 if you shower and do 1 load of laundry in the same day

I’m not kidding

And if the Gov declares a drought, the fine goes up to *$10,000*

Does it feel like Green tyranny yet?

This is what the Climate Nutjobs want to force on everyone.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ersonal-water-usage-with-massive-fines-video
Bullshit. You actually do believe everything you read don't you?

https://www.vcstar.com/story/news/2...you-shower-and-do-laundry-same-day/680017002/

I just looked at last months bill and my wife and I used 49 gallons a day on average and we are now allowed 110 (55 for each person) so i'm good :xf.cool:
 
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So it is a good thing....though jblions who things we should have a recession or something so that the rate goes up like it was for a while under obama.
He wants more people unemployed!!!

I guess you struggle reading too or are seeing things? Wanted to have an entry for dumb post of the day? I never said anything like that. I pointed out facts. Back when it was going down under Obama, you guys would come and and say it's not the real Unemployment Rate. I had to point out it's the one used. Funny, you guys don't bring that up anymore. Not very consistent in your beliefs.

Again, for the slow people who struggle with charts, like the person I'm replying too.

Last year under Bush, it when it started to get bad.

Obama inherited the mess, got up all the way to 10%

Got it down to 4.7% when it was handed over to Trump.

Continued to do go down to where it is now.
 
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Hmmm...from your posts, you sounded like you wished it was back to the obama days of unemployment.
Yes, it began going down a bit under obama....
But hey, it was TRUMP who got it lower than any obama or liberal could ever.
Remember it was obama who said that all those jobs lost are lost forever.
But hey, you go on your diddley way, after all, you want to go back home and they won't let you, though I suggested you tell them (germany) you are muslim.
 
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Hmmm...from your posts, you sounded like you wished it was back to the obama days of unemployment.

Where? Use quotes.

Yes, it began going down a bit under obama.....

A bit? :xf.laugh::xf.laugh::xf.laugh: 10% to 4.7%, that's down 5.3%

It's 3.5% now, from 4.7%, that's 1.2%. Again stuff elementary school kids can grasp, but last time I checked:

5.3% > 1.2%

You can go back to your boring potato fields in Iowa or go visit Gilsan and harass Muslims. You post some really disgusting anti-Muslim posts on your site.
 
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White House Withholds 20 Emails Between
Two Trump Aides on Ukraine Aid
It contends the release of the documents sought by The Times, would “inhibit the frank and candid exchange of views” in government decision-making.

Jan. 3, 2020 Updated 8:33 p.m. ET
WASHINGTON — The Trump administration disclosed on Friday that there were 20 emails between a top aide to President Trump’s acting chief of staff and a colleague at the White House’s Office of Management and Budget discussing the freeze of a congressionally mandated military aid package for Ukraine.

But in response to a court order that it swiftly process those pages in response to a Freedom of Information Act, or FOIA, lawsuit filed by The New York Times, the Office of Management and Budget delivered a terse letter saying it would not turn over any of the 40 pages of emails — not even with redactions.

“All 20 documents are being withheld in full,” wrote Dionne Hardy, the office’s Freedom of Information Act officer.

The Times’s information act request sought email messages between Robert Blair, a top aide to Mr. Trump’s acting chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, and Michael Duffey, an official in the White House’s Office of Management and Budget who was in charge of handling the process for releasing $391 million in weapons and security assistance Congress had appropriated to help Ukraine resist Russian aggression.

exemptions to the Freedom of Information Act for correspondence involving the president’s staff and internal policy deliberations, suggesting that the disclosure of this material would “inhibit the frank and candid exchange of views that is necessary for effective government decision-making.”

David McCraw, a lawyer for The Times, said the newspaper would challenge the blanket withholding of the documents and would ask the judge overseeing the lawsuit, Judge Amy Berman Jackson, to approve an expedited schedule for briefs and arguments given the urgent public interest in learning more about the dispute.

The heart of the accusation against Mr. Trump is that he abused his official powers, including withholding a promised White House meeting and congressionally mandated military aid, in an attempt to coerce Ukraine’s president into announcing investigations that could deliver personal political benefits to Mr. Trump.

In October, the Democratic-led House Intelligence Committee had also subpoenaed the Office of Management and Budget for all Ukraine-related documents, but the White House refused to produce them. It also instructed several key current and former officials with inside knowledge of the episode not to testify.

Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader, has portrayed Mr. Blair and Mr. Duffey as two of the four key witnesses he believes the Senate should call in Mr. Trump’s impeachment trial, along with Mr. Mulvaney and John R. Bolton, Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser. Senator Mitch McConnell, Republican of Kentucky and the majority leader, has expressed opposition to calling witnesses and again criticized the House investigation on Friday.

The Trump administration’s move to withhold all the emails in full — not even disclosing the dates they were sent, or the shape of paragraphs covered by black lines — is a step beyond its heavy censorship of a related set of emails it released in response to another Freedom of Information Act lawsuit brought by the Center for Public Integrity.

The documents released to the center consisted of about 300 pages of emails between the Office of Management and Budget and the Pentagon about the Ukraine aid package. While the officially released version was heavily redacted — and the center is contesting the censorship in further litigation — the visible portions showed, among other things, that Pentagon officials had worried that holding the funds could be an illegal impoundment.

A report on Thursday by the legal policy website Just Security added further fuel to the controversy by revealing what was under some, but not all, of the deletions. The website said it had been shown some of the emails in unredacted form, including an Aug. 30 message from Mr. Duffey to a Pentagon budget official stating that there was “clear direction from POTUS” — an acronym referring to the president of the United States — “to continue to hold” the Ukraine military assistance.

The Times separately reported this week that Mr. Blair warned Mr. Mulvaney to “expect Congress to become unhinged” if the White House went ahead with the hold on the aid.

Earlier on Friday, Mr. Schumer went to the Senate floor to praise the reporting by The Times, the Center for Public Integrity and Just Security as an additional reason for the Senate, as part of Mr. Trump’s trial, to seek documents and testimony that the White House had blocked House impeachment investigators from obtaining.

“What constituted clear direction?” Mr. Schumer asked. “Did he get an order from the president, or did someone like Mr. Mulvaney get an order from the president passed on to Mr. Duffey? Was there discussion among officials about covering up for the president in delay of military assistance? These are questions that can only be answered by examination of the documentary evidence and by the testimony of key Trump administration officials under oath in a Senate trial.”

At least four collections of emails have now been released, or shared with reporters, detailing correspondence between White House officials and their counterparts at the Office of Management and Budget or the Defense Department.

Over all, these exchanges show growing tension between the White House and the Pentagon in late August and early September, as Defense Department officials questioned if they would be able to spend all of congressionally appropriated military aid to Ukraine before the deadline at the end of the fiscal year on Sept. 30.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/03/us/politics/trump-ukraine-military-aid.html
 
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Soleimani's death is more then way over due, but it will most likely open up a can of worms that many here in the US may have to pay for in the way of terrorist attacks here on US soil.





 
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Seems like, here and on twitter and those people on cnn and msnbc that they are just hoping like hell for iran and terrorists to attack the usa, our people, blah blah blah.
They just want death and destruction, nothing new there, obama gave them so much that they are not happy Trump is not doing the same.

Done talking economics to people in florida who have not idea about econ.
 
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Uh oh - Papa Vlad is not happy...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-state-media-blames-trumps-iran-strike-on-impeachment

“Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov went even further, stressing that Soleimani’s extrajudicial killing “grossly violates international law” and will result in serious consequences for regional peace and stability. Lavrov said that “the targeted actions of a UN member state to eliminate officials of another UN member state, moreover, on the territory of a third sovereign state without its knowledge, flagrantly violate the principles of international law and deserve condemnation."

They’re right.

Assassinating this guy was like if they had whacked Pence or Pompeo while they were visiting an allied country.. He is being treated like a martyr. Iran has friends, there will be consequences. Americans will be killed.

I hope they are taking enough steps to ensure the safety of our troops, diplomats and citizens abroad.
 
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Trump even made enlytend side with Russia against her own country!! :xf.laugh::xf.laugh::xf.laugh:

Uh oh - Papa Vlad is not happy...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-state-media-blames-trumps-iran-strike-on-impeachment

“Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov went even further, stressing that Soleimani’s extrajudicial killing “grossly violates international law” and will result in serious consequences for regional peace and stability. Lavrov said that “the targeted actions of a UN member state to eliminate officials of another UN member state, moreover, on the territory of a third sovereign state without its knowledge, flagrantly violate the principles of international law and deserve condemnation."

They’re right.

Assassinating this guy was like if they had whacked Pence or Pompeo while they were visiting an allied country.. He is being treated like a martyr. Iran has friends, there will be consequences. Americans will be killed.

I hope they are taking enough steps to ensure the safety of our troops, diplomats and citizens abroad.

Weird you call this an assassination based on Russian propaganda. Pretty much blows your Trump is a Russian tool right out of the water though.

Soleimani was an officer in the Iranian military directing attacks on American troops and our embassy in a declared war zone. That's not an assassination, it's war.

If Soleimani had been in Iran or France, it would have been an illegal assassination.
 
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Soleimani's death is more then way over due, but it will most likely open up a can of worms that many here in the US may have to pay for in the way of terrorist attacks here on US soil.

"BUT"

The President just killed the leadership of the Iranian military and Iranian militia in Iraq in one day. What do you think would happen to Iran if they attacked the USA? They can barley keep their own country running because they spend so much money / resources fighting wars in other countries from Syria to Libya.

I think the President and his cabinet assessed the situation, saw a chance to change the course of the war and took it. From now on, every Iranian military officer in Iraq is going to look up every time they get in or out of a car.

We want out of Iraq. That means leaving Iraq for the Iraqis, not Hamas.

** in my uninformed opinion.

P.S. The people of Iran fighting against the oppressive theocracy are cheering President Trump and Soleimani's death.
 
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“What I would say to Senator Murphy is, why don’t you just be quiet?” Marx said — eliciting chuckles from CNN anchors and panelists off screen. “Look, when has Iran ever demonstrated self-restraint? I mean, that’s the question I have. So is the world more dangerous today? Maybe it’s more dangerous. But when has it not been dangerous? When have we not been a target of a regime like exists in Tehran? I mean, it happens as a matter of routine.”

Marks went on to call it “amazingly brazen” of Soleimani to visit Baghdad during the attack on the U.S. embassy, and posited that the strike against the Iranian general didn’t have as much to do with the embassy protest as it might seem, on the surface.
 
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"BUT"

The President just killed the leadership of the Iranian military and Iranian militia in Iraq in one day. What do you think would happen to Iran if they attacked the USA? They can barley keep their own country running because they spend so much money / resources fighting wars in other countries from Syria to Libya.

I think the President and his cabinet assessed the situation, saw a chance to change the course of the war and took it. From now on, every Iranian military officer in Iraq is going to look up every time they get in or out of a car.

We want out of Iraq. That means leaving Iraq for the Iraqis, not Hamas.

** in my uninformed opinion.

P.S. The people of Iran fighting against the oppressive theocracy are cheering President Trump and Soleimani's death.

I was wondering how Rand Paul would feel about this, knowing he's usually hard-core getting involved in the Middle East, at the same time slobbing all over Trump. Some snips:

Rand Paul Slams Trump Over Airstrike: 'If You Don't Want Perpetual War, You Don't Keep Sending More Targets'

"Paul professed that he feared the attack would lead to an escalation in hostilities between Iran and the United States, and that American soldiers "deserve better than an undeclared war with Iran."

"You could say that Soleimani was plotting to attack the U.S. It may well be true. But with his death, do you think it's more or less likely that Iran and their militias and their proxies will attack the U.S.? I would argue that it's much more likely," Paul told host Neil Cavuto."

"The president said he didn't want to perpetual war in the Middle East, but he's adding more and more troops. If you don't want perpetual war, you don't keep sending more targets over there.""

Neil Cavuto then quoted Tulsi Gabbard that the president had violated the constitution by declaring an act of war against Iran and asked Paul if he agreed.

"What happens when Iran, unfortunately, responds and kills some of our soldiers? Will that be an act of war, and will a state of war exist?"

etc.

https://www.newsweek.com/rand-paul-...dont-want-perpetual-war-you-dont-keep-1480379

Done talking economics to people in florida who have not idea about econ.

You never really started, couldn't read a basic chart.
 
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We want out of Iraq. That means leaving Iraq for the Iraqis, not Hamas.

I have to disagree. I think it means leaving Iraq - period. As long as the US tries to dictate how the chips fall, troops will be stuck there. Personally, I think Iran's expansion into Iraq will hasten the collapse of the Iranian regime.

So far as Enlytend and Putin being upset at events, the assassination of General Yamamoto in the Pacific War was widely celebrate among the Allies and, as I recall, the US did not lose that war.
 
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