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For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?
 
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If you don't like what's on a hosted template, then use something else. Just because you are paying for a service doesn't mean links related to the service won't still be there. You knew going into this that they have control over the template.

No, I did not know and that is the problem. Most of all, I did not know they will start changing templates at all. Then I would not pay those few thousand dollars into 150+ TEL domains. But someone else paid 100,000 dollars.

Domain is property, for the time that it is registered. And when you purchase, pay something, you shall get the service which you are buying, not the cat in the bag.

By paying TEL domain or anything else, you did not pay for the surprises, bugs, faulty service, exciting new features, but you are paying that what you see in the moment of payment.

TEL domain is not a collective society, it is product sold individually, and shall simply work.

Further, what if we wanna compete with TEL domain search engine, why do I have to take third party engine, TELPAGES.COM to be on our 150+ domains?! It was not there at the moment of purchase and I am not allowing ANYONE to place anything on my TEL domain and TEL website.

As simple as that.

Do you wanna allow someone's links on your 100+ domains without asking you any permission?

That was abusive to all of my content, and it never happened to me in the past. TEL domain is not a free service like Geocities or Netfirms, providing their advertising on your pages. It is paid service.

Finally, I did not buy from TELNIC, I bought from registrar, TELNIC is to me third party company, even their logo shall disappear from our TEL Domains, that is all against the liberty, property and fair trade practices.
 
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Please don't let the tel logo disappear,Tel domain is public domain I can use satandard label to promote.You guys know nothing spending too much time shouting out.You can use other extension that bold you can add everything you like.
Please shout a little bit less,please.
 
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Notice to Commercial Directory Builders, Review Your Legal Agreements

I have read the legal agreement with MyDomain.Com registrar, and there is stuff very important to commercial directory builders on TEL domains.

Caveat emptor.


I believe .tel can serve a purpose and imho, the registry was very upfront with their intent for the TLD.

However, I'd love to see them address some of your questions directly, just to see where they stand. One thing that impressed me was the speed of the registry's response to the new template complaints. IMHO, the search box WAS a huge mistake: it should've been opt-in from the beginning, and should never have defaulted to allow searching of ALL .tel domains instead of only searching within my domain (huge traffic leak). While it was a great "feature", it didn't "benefit" the domain owner.
 
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There shall be NONE third party link nor ANY search box by default, simply because of what you buy shall stay intact in the first place. And options can be given to user to decide to include a search box, links to TELNIC and so on.

Finally, registration contract was not with TELNIC, but with registrar, and TELNIC is still third party to domain name holder, and by the agreement TELNIC has no rights to place third party content, as that would be abuse of the paid service. TEL domain is not Geocities, Netfirms or some other free services, where user displays advertising of the Geocities and in exchange get his website.

On their forum telname.com/forum, they certainly were giving incentives or approvals for commercial directories, but "forgot" to mention on their website, that it is impossible to build such, and that such dark stuff lies in their legal agreement when purchasing domain from a registrar. Finally, who reads those legal agreements?

And on TEL domain, in particular, TEL is very much purchased for the purpose of building a commercial directory, including links, phone numbers and addresses. If you browse TEL domains you will see there are so many people with intention to build commercial directories. They can be simply suspended by the sole decision of TELNIC, registrar or agents, etc. But who will gonna have express consent, which means in writing or e-mail, recorded, of all the 3,000 or tens of thousands businesses which some people are advertising on TEL domains.

In case, you place inaccurate information, on your TEL, they have rights to contact you and ask you for correction. A right too much.

In case, you place third party contact information, such as casino phone number, taxi phone number, someone could complain, and they could suspend your service, who knows, maybe even delete your domain. A right too much.

Placing links, contact information about businesses which are anyway else publicly registered, is not illegal in many countries. And no hosting provider would complain to you.

Imagine directories like Yahoo, Anywho.Com, DMOZ and others, to be subject to such rules, to have express permission of those parties.

By that agreement that relates to links, e-mail, any contact information. So by placing a link on your TEL domain to third party, without their express consent and without giving notice to the third party, you are making breach of the agreement and you become subject of their scrutiny, if they wish so.

And from TEL domains, I have many many benefits, except that I don't know what to do, as I have started placing third parties and their contact information, but it is obviously not approved by the agreement, unless I send to them all the notices and get their express permission.
 
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Well, all I can say, JLouisBiz, if you stuck my unlisted (for which I pay extra to my telephone company) landline number on your site, I would definitely go after you, so, YES, you need to get permission to post personal information, other than your own. Who are YOU to decide what personal info should go on your site?

I think that's probably true of directories in general--if someone complains, you'd better take it down-- ASAP. Even on dotcom sites and online directories in general. The telephone companies were very clever from the start by charging customers extra for opting out of Directory Assistance and the Telephone Book listing--I'm pretty sure that their TOS stipulates that private numbers require a fee and that without purchasing that privacy, you phone number is fair game.

But YOU don't have that option, I'm afraid.

I wouldn't even post family numbers and info unless they give me permission.

Now posting domain urls are a different matter. Individuals decide what kind of info they post on their actual websites, and they are well aware that urls are generally public (or have mechanisms for setting up login pages). But even then, if you post my website link to a p0rn site, I'm going to demand that you remove it, and if you don't, I will report you to your registrar who can then shut you down, no matter what your TLD.

Most of us early on realized that the directory model would not work unless you were able to lease subdomains for which the lessee had complete control.

Well, that's not going to happen any time soon.

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There is a big difference between private information, personal information belonging to an individual and business information. Business information is reproducible without giving third parties notice or getting a permission.

You are making tourist information website, and you will place bus stations, train stations, skippers, tourist offices and public offices on your website. Without giving notice, without asking for permission, without getting punished.

But I doubt you could actually get your link removed from an adult website. It depends of the jurisdiction where the website operates, and your ability to enforce eventual rules or laws, if they exist at all.

With the TEL domain is completely different. It says nowhere that you are allowed to place links if they are not yours, the legal agreement, says, you need to sent notice, get express permission to place third parties' content. That's it.

Of course it was not meant to prohibit the links, but the agreement is not written well.
 
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TEL domain is not a collective society, it is product sold individually, and shall simply work.

Further, what if we wanna compete with TEL domain search engine, why do I have to take third party engine, TELPAGES.COM to be on our 150+ domains?! It was not there at the moment of purchase and I am not allowing ANYONE to place anything on my TEL domain and TEL website.

Finally, I did not buy from TELNIC, I bought from registrar, TELNIC is to me third party company, even their logo shall disappear from our TEL Domains, that is all against the liberty, property and fair trade practices.

Simply work? On what webbrowsers should it simply work? All browsers and then from what version of the browser? Since Netscape or since Mosaic? On what mobiles? All cellphones? Then how long back?

Take a break.
 
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I would be happy if it would be browser problem. And I am not speaking about the template, but control panel. If you are not able to click on DESIGN, with ANY browser I have, Opera, Firefox, Chromium, Mozilla, then that is programming bug, not a browser fault.

Numerous bugs were released on 4th March and affected all the owners of the domain. If you accept that, that is fine for you.

I am not buying rotten eggs any more.
 
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I would be happy if it would be browser problem. And I am not speaking about the template, but control panel. If you are not able to click on DESIGN, with ANY browser I have, Opera, Firefox, Chromium, Mozilla, then that is programming bug, not a browser fault.

Numerous bugs were released on 4th March and affected all the owners of the domain. If you accept that, that is fine for you.

I am not buying rotten eggs any more.

have you posted your issues on .tel's official support section?

earlier, justinhayward (who posted above & is associated w/ telnic) linked to their site:
Update on new .tel proxy features - .tel Community Forum

or perhaps you can p.m. justin here with your concerns....

good luck...


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edit: I see you have posted there... :)
 
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JLouis, it sounds like you are suddenly surprised by what everyone else knew all along. Both supporters and naysayers of .tel knew that it was more similar to a social networking profile than a traditional domain name. And it was certainly no secret that changes were going to be made. This was being discussed by everyone from day 1.
 
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Originally Posted by S~

Originally Posted by JamesDavid

*** One thing I do think is funny though.... .tel main site is a .org.... not a .tel..


...well wouldn't this be because you can't develop a website on a .tel name?




How ironic :gl:


You guys are HILARIOUS !

What's ironic is that virtually EVERY business has a listing in YellowPages and a Website as well.

The Listing is For Quick Relevant Information.
The Website is For Expanded Information.

DUH !

The ONLY thing different is that TelPages BLOWS AWAY YellowPages as an affordable and
useful Listing service with expanded, controllable features - on a GLOBAL scale !

Websites are STILL a separate matter altogether and always will be !

DUH !

:bingo:
 
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The ONLY thing different is that TelPages BLOWS AWAY YellowPages as an affordable and
useful Listing service with expanded, controllable features - on a GLOBAL scale !
Come back when .tel's listings have the eyes that the yellow pages do. That is the only thing that matters. That is why .tel is like $10 and the yellow pages are much more. You getting the eyes that you pay for.
 
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Come back when .tel's listings have the eyes that the yellow pages do. That is the only thing that matters. That is why .tel is like $10 and the yellow pages are much more. You getting the eyes that you pay for.

Yeah, you're right.

That's exactly what Alta Vista told Google too !

The "when" doesn't change the "what" !

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You guys are HILARIOUS !

What's ironic is that virtually EVERY business has a listing in YellowPages and a Website as well.
If they have a website do they still need a .tel ?
There was case made that .tel would be a good choice for certain types of professionals (plumbers ?) that just want a point of contact and don't want a fully-fledged website with hosting.

The ONLY thing different is that TelPages BLOWS AWAY YellowPages as an affordable and
useful Listing service with expanded, controllable features - on a GLOBAL scale !
All that matters is consumer acceptance and the amount of actual usage. If hardly anybody has even heard about .tel, you're preaching in the middle of the desert. Have you made money yet with .tel ?
 
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Hi All,

1)
would it be a good idea to link a .tel to a twitter account ?
.tel offer free text area.

Thinking about the idea that .tel could gather data from a twitter account to feed the free text area.

2) Any news about the abilily for .tel to serve specific data based on requester location
Ex:
if requester is from Paris and requesting plumber.tel => automaticly retrieve Paris plumber's telephone
if requester is from NY and requesting plumber.tel => automaticly retrieve NY plumber's telephone.
This last feature would create a real added value to .tel

Best Regards
 
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If they have a website do they still need a .tel ?

Do people have a YellowPages listing if they have a website ? Then they need and want a .TEL

There was case made that .tel would be a good choice for certain types of professionals (plumbers ?) that just want a point of contact and don't want a fully-fledged website with hosting.


.TEL and TelPages.com is the perfect choice for BILLIONS of Individuals OR Businesses Who want something that is perfect and useful as the ONE place to start for ANY effort, website or not !

All that matters is consumer acceptance and the amount of actual usage. If hardly anybody has even heard about .tel, you're preaching in the middle of the desert.

Las Vegas was preaching in the middle of the desert too ... matter of time.

Again, the "What it is" as an advantage isn't changed by the "When this is realized"

It has soooo many advantages from DNS, Price, Ownership, Control, Updating, Devices, Etc.

Like Email and Snail Mail, it just takes realizing the advantages when it comes to time and money ...

I'll say that again ... time and money ... this tends to be a big factor ... like Websites over brochures, etc.

Have you made money yet with .tel ?

Yes, I have.

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Do people have a YellowPages listing if they have a website ? Then they need and want a .TEL
Are you suggesting that .tel sends the same amount of business as a YellowPages listing?
 
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Are you suggesting that .tel sends the same amount of business as a YellowPages listing?

Are you suggesting that I put shoestrings on my pizza ?

The only thing that has ever been suggested is that:

1. Businesses and Individuals have both Yellow/White Listings, and Websites.

2. The two have separate and distinct purposes, and are used everyday in their own capacity.

3. Websites and their Search Engines Have evolved to what they are today.

4. YellowPages "style" directories have finally evolved with .TEL and TelPages.com

Two separate and distinct purposes - and FINALLY evolution on the "YellowPages Style" side !

Great Job Telnic ! Keep Evolving ! You're ALREADY Better Than ANYTHING On This Side !

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Now, what is the advantage of the DNS? A miliseconds of a difference in getting information? That maybe WAS advantage before 10 years, when TELNIC was submitting their TEL application to ICANN. But that is not an advantage for the end user, as the end user will never know about the DNS.

It is a HUGE difference when browsing from a 3g phone. Try browsing .com pages with your phone vs .tel pages.

Here is a real life story:

I bought a .tel domain for a shopping centra and was on my way home with my GF.
We were looking for a present but we did not remember the shopping centras opening hours,
so we did not know if it would still be open if we went there.
I told my gffriend to look up their opening hours, but she told me it takes such a long time to look on the internet eventhough she got 3g.
I told her to look at my own .tel and timed her, it took her 5 seconds to se the opening hours!

That was an eye opener for me and for her.

With .tel you know you get speed its a global standard for speed and speed does still matter when you are out on the street and using slow 3g.
 
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