The .TEL Discussion Thread

[brendan52190]

Hi

For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?

 

[MicroGuy]

You have been lurking in the woodwork, for a few days, like a coward, and has come out, again, to attack. Like a wolf, or a lion in the jungle, looking for some easy victims, to get hold of.

You do make one good point, this thread is full of victims. () IMO.

 

[plaggypig]

Fact: .tel is not SEO friendly because it has data but no contents - now this is a FACT

What does that even mean? .tel is meant for semantic contact information, but you can use all the keywords and descriptive text you like to provide hints to search engines. My .tel is indexed by Google properly - the only reason it's ranked #13 instead of #1 is because it doesn't have enough PageRank to beat the various social networking domains I'm in, and Google hasn't yet worked out that my .tel is the most authoritative thing about me.

P.S. You were wrong in relation to the earlier discussion on META tags.

 

[Kate]

P.S. You were wrong in relation to the earlier discussion on META tags.

You miss the point. The tags are not useless. First, the meta description tag can be used to provide a more meaningful description of your website in search engine results. If you don't, the search engines will fall back to the title tag or the first sentence.
For example: type ".tel domain" in google and you'll get this:

Telnic | FAQ
Read top questions about .tel, the .tel technology, buying .tel domain names and the .tel community.
www.telnic.org/faq.html - Cached - Similar

The page contains this meta tag:

<meta name="description" content="Read top questions about .tel, the .tel technology, buying .tel domain names and the .tel community." />

Second, other search engines take the tags into account, for example if you want to rank in yahoo for a typo of your name, it's a good idea to include it in your meta keywords tag.
There is a world beyond google...

 

[DubDubDubDot]

.tel is not Google friendly in regards to generic keywords. At least not white hat anyway.

The number of sites linking to your site, and especially who those sites are, play a huge role in your own ranking. So you have an awesome article about some widget on your .com. Then a bunch of sites link to your article. This then drives your article's page up. Now think about that for a .tel. Nobody is going to link to .tel profiles. There is no point. So even if you have a totally awesome keyword.tel, it's still doomed in the rankings.

 

[plaggypig]

You miss the point. The tags are not useless. First, the meta description tag can be used to provide a more meaningful description of your website in search engine results. If you don't, the search engines will fall back to the title tag or the first sentence.

Which is the header text description - isn't that what you'd want to fall back on for the default blurb?

Anyway, META tags make no difference to SEO ranking, and that was your original concern. Of course the shifting sands don't surprise me anymore

Second, other search engines take the tags into account, for example if you want to rank in yahoo for a typo of your name, it's a good idea to include it in your meta keywords tag.
There is a world beyond google...

And I'd wager Yahoo/Bing also treat META tags as negligible in terms of ranking.

.tel is not Google friendly in regards to generic keywords. At least not white hat anyway.

The number of sites linking to your site, and especially who those sites are, play a huge role in your own ranking. So you have an awesome article about some widget on your .com. Then a bunch of sites link to your article. This then drives your article's page up. Now think about that for a .tel. Nobody is going to link to .tel profiles. There is no point. So even if you have a totally awesome keyword.tel, it's still doomed in the rankings.

Exactly - there has to be a different approach.

 

[Kate]

Anyway, META tags make no difference to SEO ranking, and that was your original concern. Of course the shifting sands don't surprise me anymore

Let me clarify if there has been any confusion arising from my past post.
While META tags don't directly help for ranking, they are still useful. One simple reason: a meaningful description in search results can only encourage visitors to click the link to your site.

On the other hand the TITLE tag does matter for SEO. But .tel domains do not exploit the tag, only the domain name is present.

Exemple: sex.tel

<title>sex.tel</title>

The facts:

• .tel has no META tags, which means you have less control over how it appears in search engine results
• .tel has a generic TITLE tag with strictly zero SEO benefits (no keywords etc)

Now, if google decides to extract .tel data straight from the DNS, I doubt it make any difference.

2 of the most critical must-haves to strong SEO:

• contents: no contents in .tel, just data
• link juice: DubDubDubDot is right, what's the point of linking to a .tel

.tel is a double failure :gl:

 

[jagdotme]

Take It Easy Mactel

P.S Also can someone check the attach and let me know if they get the same results

 

[plaggypig]

One simple reason: a meaningful description in search results can only encourage visitors to click the link to your site.

Okay, so just put your meaningful description in the header text. That's what it's there for

On the other hand the TITLE tag does matter for SEO. But .tel domains do not exploit the tag, only the domain name is present.

Since the last update there's a new record type for a title - when set it appears at the top of page and replaces the TITLE tag. See andy.tel for an example.

In terms of link backs why should you expect a .tel to really have any? If you accept that andy.tel is the most authoritative source about me then you should realise the problem is not with .tel, it's with conventional means of search. PageRank is not adequate for people, a new approach is required.

 

[mactel]

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@JagG:
When you are logged in as Google member, than, your .tel domain apears at the top.
When you are logged out of Google, your .tel doamin will bes displayed, like others will see it, as well: maybe on page two, three, or five. And it won't show the green arrow.
The green arrow, only shows up, when you are logged in.
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[footodors]

jag.tel is #23 for me.

 

[liming]

Some People extremely like google,why not set up a new extension for google only. Google and tel should suit for each other under marketing.

 

[Kate]

In terms of link backs why should you expect a .tel to really have any? If you accept that andy.tel is the most authoritative source about me then you should realise the problem is not with .tel, it's with conventional means of search. PageRank is not adequate for people, a new approach is required.

Indeed I don't think it really makes sense to link to .tel. So the question of how .tel will 'rank' remains open. So much for "google juice".
I think the issue you raise is pretty tough, because .tel is at the edge of the Internet by design, which possibly means invisible. I doubt the search engines have a lot of incentive to come up with a tailored solution in order to accommodate a struggling TLD, unless we see mass adoption by end users. Kinda chicken and egg situation :]

 

[plaggypig]

Indeed I don't think it really makes sense to link to .tel. So the question of how .tel will 'rank' remains open. So much for "google juice".
I think the issue you raise is pretty tough, because .tel is at the edge of the Internet by design, which possibly means invisible. I doubt the search engines have a lot of incentive to come up with a tailored solution in order to accommodate a struggling TLD, unless we see mass adoption by end users. Kinda chicken and egg situation :]

I guess it's a matter of perspective. You see it as something on the periphery whereas I see it as something absolutely central to trends in communication that are already occurring.

Getting end users to see the value before we reach critical mass (and the killer apps/services) is a challenge, just as it was for the web and anything else of this nature, but the chasm will be crossed one way or another. Nobody has ever leapt across it from a standing position, but .tel has had a strong start - not just in terms of registrations, but with the kinds of interesting partnerships that are forming. I wouldn't describe Usain Bolt as "struggling" during his first stride of a race.

But these are just my opinions and we can agree to disagree.

FYI: Digitrad launched a new product called OrganiP at DEMOfall this week. Are they the first funded .tel startup or do you know of others?

 

[mactel]

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You do not link to .tel (because .tel is the strongest link, light weight, and fast):

You link .tel to your website (by putting your website link on TelProxy).

Because, for one thing, mostely, your .tel is found first (ecxept for Tesla Motors, however). Secondly, that way, you boost SEO of your website.

Which is a difference.

Indeed I don't think it really makes sense to link to .tel. So the question of how .tel will 'rank' remains open. So much for "google juice".
I think the issue you raise is pretty tough, because .tel is at the edge of the Internet by design, which possibly means invisible. I doubt the search engines have a lot of incentive to come up with a tailored solution in order to accommodate a struggling TLD, unless we see mass adoption by end users. Kinda chicken and egg situation :]

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[jagdotme]

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@JagG:
When you are logged in as Google member, than, your .tel domain apears at the top.
When you are logged out of Google, your .tel doamin will bes displayed, like others will see it, as well: maybe on page two, three, or five. And it won't show the green arrow.
The green arrow, only shows up, when you are logged in.
.

Cool Cheers for the info....

---------- Post added at 08:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:09 PM ----------

jag.tel is #23 for me.

Thanks Man

 

[plaggypig]

Here's the video of Digitrad's OrganiP presentation at DEMOfall - pretty interesting!

 

[spline]

Here's the video of Digitrad's OrganiP presentation at DEMOfall - pretty interesting!

That was very cool!

 

[mactel]

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From what I can conclude, is that Digitrad is basically "only warming up food, that Telnec had prepared long ago",

And that Digitrad is basically not that innovative, as it would like to give the impression.

Nevertheless, we should be grateful, for all the endeavours of Digitrad to assist Telnic and the dot tel domain.

Vis versa, I understand, that Telnic is supporting Digitrad, whenever they can, such as at the Digitrad presentation at TelCamp in Prag.

To say it very simple: A lot of presentation at congresses by Digitrad, is explaining dot tel technology in other words than Telnic had been done, and does.

But bassically, weather it comes out of the mouth of Digitrad, or Telnic: the message and information is more or less the same.
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Ditgitrad offers a few extra features, that complements the offers, tools and software, that Telnic offers.

Such as free phone calling, similar to Skype, etc., and possibly services around Voip. I am not quite sure, if all the talking about Voip is that new and innovative, or just, what we mostly all know already. :tu:

I think, it is quite importante, to be able to make a difference, between, what is really new with developements and improvements about the dot tel domain, or if it is only promoting .tel in a different way.

However, a lot of innovations and improvements are still to come, and I don't know, how many early/premature praise Digitrad should receive, for what it is doing...

They are undoubtfully experts for presentations, webdesign, websites that rock, etc, and Telnic is sure able to learn some things from them.

I would look at it, as fruitfull teamwork between Digitrad and Telnic, where each of the two, can benefit from the other, from what it can do best.
So Digitrad is profiting from all the .tel technology know how of Telnic, and Telnic is learning from Digitrad, how to spread the word about .tel.

The true benefit, from all this, is a better .tel promotion output.

Digitrad and Telnic will be making some more money, and we as .tel portfolio managers, won't have to ask every one, if they know about .tel, because the word about .tel will more widly spread, thanks to the better .tel/Digitrad promoting.

It is about as simply as that, when trying to understand, what Digitrad is up to, and what Digitrad has to do with .tel, respectively, in which way, Digitrad is related to .tel, and involved with the .tel business.

Ever since I heard, read, about Digitrad, since I had looked at websites from Digitrad, or watched their Videos, I was a bit confused, as I got the impression, that Digitrad is trying to make people believe, that they are "the inventors and creators" of the dot tel domain, respectively, of the .tel technology. Mostely, without taking the word ".tel" in their mouth. However: dishing up the same menue, just with a other menue name, is probably not that bad. It's got the same feeling and flavor and taste, but they just name it differently.

Bringing .tel to the world through Digitrad, might be good, because mentioning ".tel" at first place can possibly confuse people, as the word "tel" is used in so many places, for so many purposses, that they have to firstly figure out, in which "tel" category "dot tel" belongs.

I think, that we can admit, that with dot tel, their will always be a "given confusion", only because of the fact of the name "tel".

If .tel had a other name (or company name), in additon, then you would see, that people would pick it up, much faster and eaysier. So, probably Digitrad is benefiting from this fact, and probably, that is why Digitrad is using the word ".tel" sparingly, or likes to avoid it, whenever they can. - Well, that was my first impression about the Digitrad presentations...
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[DubDubDubDot]

Because, for one thing, mostely, your .tel is found first (ecxept for Tesla Motors, however). Secondly, that way, you boost SEO of your website.

Care to tell us how people are going to find the .tel first?

 

[steveteva]

Nice article about new TLDs with .tel quoted, ....some will fail.

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