The .TEL Discussion Thread

[brendan52190]

Hi

For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?

 

[FreakySteve]

for building a .com website about .tel domains, do you think it is better to have the form TelDomain.com or DotTelDomain.com? so having just the 'tel' or the whole 'dottel' in front? do you think people search more for ".tel" or "dot tel" ?

If you can get the tel*.com or *tel.com, you're much better off. That way you're branding the "tel" and not "dot" I have many .tel related websites and they all brand "tel" not "dot".

 

[mactel]

@ CDM:

In the long term, I would choose ".Tel".

At the moment, there is often a confusion with "Tel Aviv".

Google is supposed to be able to make a difference between ".Tel" and "Tel", respectively, "Tel Aviv".

However, at the moment, "Dot Tel" always works the right way, and is "idiot proove".

But "Dot Tel" is less elegant than ".Tel", respectively, "Teldomain" sounds nicer, than "Dotteldomain".

Anyway, as long as people search for "Teldomain", your are fine, and will get found (maybe by having "teldomain.tel", as well).

I would just take "Teldomain", and not worrie too much.

Google will sort it out.

 

[plaggypig]

That is not true. Actually the exact same (HTML) layout can be ported to any other extension, it's just HTML and images. It would weigh the same no matter what the extension.

As for speed:
I use HTTP compression techniques to speed up the load time for my websites. Do a search for mod_gzip/mod_deflate...
Right now sos1.tel weighs 7.29K, that could be reduced to less than 1K, if only mod_gzip/mod_deflate was enabled on the telnic servers... needless to say the bandwidth savings could be significant :gl:

HTTP Compression Test

The difference between .tel and HTTP for this stuff would be like watching Usain Bolt and a fat celebrity going on a little Sunday morning run together. Gzip? Okay, staple the fat celebrity's stomach. Let's not also forget speed isn't the only issue - one of them is more likely to have a heart attack and stop running altogether.

I think Ms Domainer had the best idea, I need to leave this forum too.

 

[FrenchTel]

.tel is for mobile devices

That is not true. Actually the exact same (HTML) layout can be ported to any other extension, it's just HTML and images. It would weigh the same no matter what the extension.

I was of course speaking about accessing SOS1.tel from a mobile device not from a computer.
And, as far as I know, .tel is the only extension that natively comes with 2 layouts, mobile and desktop ...

 

[DubDubDubDot]

The difference between .tel and HTTP for this stuff would be like watching Usain Bolt and a fat celebrity going on a little Sunday morning run together.

On desktops there is no noticeable difference in load times.

Depending on your mobile connection there may be, but we are at the point now where .com load times are no longer a burden on decent connections.

And remember one thing: Advancements in mobile connections do not help .tel. It hurts .tel by helping .com and thus taking the speed argument away from .tel.

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That is not true. Actually the exact same (HTML) layout can be ported to any other extension, it's just HTML and images. It would weigh the same no matter what the extension.

I was of course speaking about accessing SOS1.tel from a mobile device not from a computer.
And, as far as I know, .tel is the only extension that natively comes with 2 layouts, mobile and desktop ...

The developer end user who can afford to buy a $xxx, $x,xxx or even $xx,xxx .tel from a domainer is a developer who can implement mobile support for their .com.

As I said yesterday about end users tossing the free logo aside that came with the domain, I believe that .tel's built in development may have a similar effect.

If a company has (or has the ability to have) a contact system set up on their site that is mobile compatible, what kind of an argument is there to use .tel? What would you say to them? (We'll assume that the cost of the aftermarket .tel and the cost of the .com design work cancel each other out).

 

[mactel]

Quote:
"The developer end user who can afford to buy a $xxx, $x,xxx or even $xx,xxx .tel from a domainer is a developer who can implement mobile support for their .com."

You don't have to be a developer to do that. You can:
1.) Use INSTANTMOBILIZER for .mobi, or
2.) Integrate .tel into a existing website (.com).

Quote:
"As I said yesterday about end users tossing the free logo aside that came with the domain, I believe that .tel's built in development may have a similar effect."

1.) One can not replace the .tel logo,
2.) One can only replace the domain name with a custom heading. This requires some coding of both the backend and the front-end, but it's definitely on the roadmap of Telnic.

You sound like someone, who is not properly listning to others, and who has never made some experience with a own .tel domain, and is doing everything, so that he has not use .tel.
A sort of defensive atitude.

Why all the fuss? Why not just try it out, instead of posting so much talk about .tel?

Why not just benefit from .tel, instead of trying to put it down?

Look: All that energy you have been using talking about .tel: You could use it, to make some serious business and money with creating and selling .com domain names.

You are starting to waste your time. We have read all your posts and arguements. And .tel is still, what is is, and is appreciated and helps boost businesses.

If you have some constructive contributons for .tel, go to the .tel forum at the Telnic website. And try to be really useful, for the community.

But this is not the way, to go about it.

If there are some valuable arguements, that you have posted, they will sure be looked at, for a further examination.

Otherwhise, you are only starting to put people off, who have read all your posts, and who have tried to follow your comments.

This looks more destructive, than constructive, to me.

 

[spline]

On desktops there is no noticeable difference in load times.

Depending on your mobile connection there may be, but we are at the point now where .com load times are no longer a burden on decent connections.

And remember one thing: Advancements in mobile connections do not help .tel. It hurts .tel by helping .com and thus taking the speed argument away from .tel.

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Yes but you are forgetting something important.

Surfing .com pages are a pain in the...from a cellphone, because of all the flash stuff etc etc...It could also cost you alot of datatraffic money depending on where you are etc.

Sure some pages have a special cellphone page, but not all.

Often with a cellphone you just want to get the contact/location info and you will be 100% sure that you don't get any unecesary information when browsing .tels.

Therefor a .tel could become a firstchoice when using cellphones.

 

[FreakySteve]

Hello yourtel, npuser09, kprobe, justinhayward,

:wave:

Hello liming, morganga, jacpar

:wave:

Although I can not speak on behalf of these individuals, I can say that there are a bunch of us who are not engaging some of these conversations because the rotational nature of the points being put forth is tiresome.

The comparisons of apples to oranges and the mudslinging is comical, but that's about it. The REAL .tel developments are happening outside of this space.

 

[steveteva]

Although I can not speak on behalf of these individuals, I can say that there are a bunch of us who are not engaging some of these conversations because the rotational nature of the points being put forth is tiresome.

The comparisons of apples to oranges and the mudslinging is comical, but that's about it. The REAL .tel developments are happening outside of this space.

By the way FreakySteve I love your mascott. :hehe:
Yes it's starting to be boring now with no real news about .tel

Here are some good news for mobile devices ads and could benefits .tel as soon as ads will be available.
http://www.thedomains.com/2009/09/16/new-study-mobile-users-12-as-likely-to-click-on-a-banner-ad/

 

[plaggypig]

By the way FreakySteve I love your mascott. :hehe:
Yes it's starting to be boring now with no real news about .tel

Here are some good news for mobile devices ads and could benefits .tel as soon as ads will be available.
New Study: Mobile Users 1/2 As Likely To Click On A Banner Ad | The Domains

Who cares about monetising less than 1% of your traffic with crappy inventory?

Pay Per Call/Action is where the real money is. yext is already doing $20m revenue and growing fast - smart business, I just think .tel is a better platform for it than the web.

--

Writing some benchmark tests to show DubDubDubDot the speed advantage.

 

[mactel]

Compare:

a commercial .tel directory with a city,

city regions with domain categories,

districts with domains,

a apartment building with a domain section,

a apartment with a domain section category.

a apartment sharer with a subdomain renter (company/address with district name).


Imagine, you are the owner, or care taker of the directory.

Have you ever heard about one single person, taking care of a whole city?

Probably not: But you have heard about concierges taking care of apartment buildings and their apartments.

Which means, that if you want to populate your city, and as a property owner, select and choose the tenants, and then maintain the city, the apartment buildings and their apartments, and do all the adminstrative work, that goes with it, that means you would have a lot of work, and spend a lot of time, and that is simply impossible, for one person to do.

That is why the work and tasks are split up, divided: every well-kept apartment building has its own concierge, for example.

If you have a big city with nice apartment buildings, they would be maintained and well-kept by concierges. And all tenants would be happy, because every thing in the building and apartment works and functions, and is well maintained. And there is allways the concierge, to help, repair, and to update, whatever needs to be updated.

Now, if you have got a big commercial directory, you probably would soon be overstrained and overburdend, otherwhise.

So you might be smart, and employ a concierge for each of your section categories within your domain categories. So that they are always up to date.

Your job would be, to find new apartment-sharers, and to rent out the apartments, where apartment-sharing communities live.

Respectively, to find companies who want to rent a subdomain in a exclusive apartment building, that has a good address.

As a commercial .tel directory gives much more work, than a white or yellow pages directory with entries, that stay the same, and get outdated, after a while, you might want to make a few thoughts about organisation..., if you want happy and loyal tenants, and a regular income.

 

[DubDubDubDot]

Sure some pages have a special cellphone page, but not all.

Often with a cellphone you just want to get the contact/location info and you will be 100% sure that you don't get any unecesary information when browsing .tels.

Therefor a .tel could become a firstchoice when using cellphones.

Interesting. So .com mobile support will be so bad that the public loses faith in .com from mobile devices and automatically goes to whatever.tel instead. That's a new claim for this thread.

 

[steveteva]

Interesting. So .com mobile support will be so bad that the public loses faith in .com from mobile devices and automatically goes to whatever.tel instead. That's a new claim for this thread.

Totally believe that people will more type in .mobi or .tel in cellphone rather than .com.
THAT'S WHAT I DO SO this is a proof. I hate search with my cellphone browser .com site, I usually type .mobi at end after keyword because I'm sure it fit my Iphone browser and not have to ZOOM each time.

 

[spline]

Interesting. So .com mobile support will be so bad that the public loses faith in .com from mobile devices and automatically goes to whatever.tel instead. That's a new claim for this thread.

I never made that claim, just said it is a possibility.

.Tel is like the MCDonalds of domains. People know what they get, its simple, and they get it quick.

Add to that, that its much easier for avarage joy to get some content online than a .com domain...

In some situations thats a major advantage.

 

[mactel]

@ DubDubDubDot:
Your quote;
"Interesting. So .com mobile support will be so bad that the public loses faith in .com from mobile devices and automatically goes to whatever.tel instead. That's a new claim for this thread."

1.) With ".com mobile support" you probably mean ".mobi".

2.) Indeed, .mobi is not very popular. And many companyies don't have a .mobi
to compliment their existing website, for having a nice mobile experience of
their website. As well as easy mobile access of their website.

3.) You are comparing .mobi with .tel.
And there have been already many articles written, about comparing the
two domain extensions.:
Domains - Domain Names - Domainmonster.com
Compare Mobi and Tel Domain Names with our comparison article
Quote:
"Simply put, .mobi should be thought of as the TLD for mobile content
whereas .tel should be thought of as a (telephone) directory for
your contact information."

4.) You are talking about mobile content, but .tel is not about mobile conent,
respectively, website content: .tel is about (tele)communication.

5.) How would I use them together?:
Contact pages on your .mobi website could link to your .tel.
Or, what I personally think, is also good: .tel pages can link to a .mobi
website of a company: that way, you can see, if the company .com website
even has a .mobi website to compliment their existing website.
Quote Domainmonster:
"Equally, your .mobi website can be one of the items in your .tel data,
allowing anyone visiting or using your .tel to be pointed in the
direction of your .mobi website."

- Otherwhise, one might hope to find a .mobi website of a company, and then
has to find, that the company has no such mobile support of its existing
website.

6.) Dot tel domains, are also designed to compliment a existing website.

7.) So, if one is interested in viewing a specific .com website, one could try to
benefit from .mobi, as well as from .tel, as complementary domains of a
.com domain.

8.) Conclusion: .tel is supporting .com, and is neither hindering it, nor a burden
for it. Dot tel is a friend of .com. So, why bashing at it, and putting it down?

9.) I think, these extensions, are all good, and useful, in a different way, and
that they are able to compliment each other, and work together.

10.) If you dont find a .com, straightaway, you might find its .tel, and then be
able to find the .com at last.

If you don't know about a .mobi website of a company, you might find the
companies .tel page, and learn about its complementary .mobi website.

Can you see, now, how useful .tel is, and that it is filling out gaps and niches, and providing services, that we hadn't had before?

It is also using a other technology, and is therefore "google juice", for the search engines.

I hope, this helps a bit, to see all the facts and constellations about .tel and .mobi and .com., and how they nicely can play together.

.

 

[DubDubDubDot]

@ DubDubDubDot:
Your quote;
"Interesting. So .com mobile support will be so bad that the public loses faith in .com from mobile devices and automatically goes to whatever.tel instead. That's a new claim for this thread."

1.) With ".com mobile support" you probably mean ".mobi".

It sounds like you are unaware that .com developers have chosen to detect mobile devices and display a special mobile friendly design rather than use .mobi.

For instance, if you visit Dominos.com it will automatically redirect to mobile.dominos.com and everyone is happy.
- The company didn't have to spend money branding a .mobi.
- Customers simply visit the .com they already know.

.mobi is nothing to developers here in 2009.

Now imagine if dominos.tel was set up with a directory. We all know what those look like by now. Compare it to the "Find a Store" feature at mobile.dominos.com

 

[mwzd]

Yeah, thats a BS argument, I can show you 100s of sites that detect mobile devices.

Sites can now detect your geo location and provide content tailored to that location, why would a mobile device offer a problem?

Also, these arguments give me deja vu - goto the .mobi threads and you'll see what I mean.

 

[mactel]

Hi, DubDubDubDot,

You make my mounth watery, with mentioning dominos.com.

But seriously: I understand your point.

It is sure a brilliant idea, to redirect a .com to a .mobi, because most people or pizza lovers do not know anything about .mobi websites.

But clients of Domino, would still be able to order their pizza faster, by going over domino.tel (when it will be properly filled with content) than going over domino.com, and looking for the ordering and contact details, provided, they already know, what they want ot order.

Besides that, to look up a .tel, is cheaper than to look up a .mobi.: And your monthly internet access, and phone bills will be less high.

Using .tel domains to get the information needed, is quick and economic, and saves time, money and you getting frustrated.

But if you ask me, I will recommend: use all extensions: .com, .mobi, and .tel, but just in the best way, and that gives you the best ouput and benefit.

If you are undecided, about which pizza to choose and order: than go to domino.com. And that is fine. There you will be able to see loads of appetizing pictures, etc., which will make your decision a lot easier. Next time, you want to order, you could just do a click and a call, and order, perhaps, via a .tel domain.

But it is really a shame, that good .tel domain names are not properly populated, and filled with content, for a good navigation:
See flowers.tel, or dominos.tel.

(And there was once a dominer, who paied $200000 for flowers.mobi.:
flowers.mobi could make more profit, if properly configured and filled with content. So it would make sense, to fill flowers. tel as well as dominos.tel with proper content. It is all to the owner of a domain, to take some time, and make some effort, to fill the domain with useful and interesting content, and to make more profit. And that is the same case, with .mobi or with .tel: The better you manage your domain, the more profit you can get through monetezising, etc.)

Cheers

 

[CDM]

@ CDM:

In the long term, I would choose ".Tel".

At the moment, there is often a confusion with "Tel Aviv".

Google is supposed to be able to make a difference between ".Tel" and "Tel", respectively, "Tel Aviv".

However, at the moment, "Dot Tel" always works the right way, and is "idiot proove".

But "Dot Tel" is less elegant than ".Tel", respectively, "Teldomain" sounds nicer, than "Dotteldomain".

Anyway, as long as people search for "Teldomain", your are fine, and will get found (maybe by having "teldomain.tel", as well).

I would just take "Teldomain", and not worrie too much.

Google will sort it out.

thanks for the input. i think you are right

 

[mactel]

If you keep your .tel domains, for a while, and sell in a year, they will be about three times as much worth.

.tel is serious biz.

Geo .tel's are best used, to create commercial directories, which would give you more profits, than if you sell them.

Populate, populate, populate...

Fill with good content...

Google will do all the rest, because .tel domains are google juice.

:tu: