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For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?
 
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Gotta call you out on this one.

We can't appreciate what .tel is capable of until we see just ONE thing that .tel can do that .com can't do. Maybe you could give us one example.
You still don't get it DubDubDubDot, TEL isn't competing with COM. It has a different purpose.

It is like comparing a Car to a Bicycle. A car is faster, sharper, sleeker and more desirable in just about every way possible. Nevertheless, bikes have their place in the world too. Anyone can afford a bike, they don't need a lot of work. Maintenance costs are low. They don't need gasoline or to be serviced or a special license to drive one.

This is exactly how it is for COM and TEL. COM is a nice car and TEL is a bike. You might not like to ride a bike, but it is useless to hang out at a bike shop and try to convince everyone that bikes suck.
 
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You still don't get it DubDubDubDot, TEL isn't competing with COM. It has a different purpose.

It is like comparing a Car to a Bicycle. A car is faster, sharper, sleeker and more desirable in just about every way possible. Nevertheless, bikes have their place in the world too. Anyone can afford a bike, they don't need a lot of work. Maintenance costs are low. They don't need gasoline or to be serviced or a special license to drive one.

This is exactly how it is for COM and TEL. COM is a nice car and TEL is a bike. You might not like to ride a bike, but it is useless to hang out at a bike shop and try to convince everyone that bikes suck.

Excellent explaination, I coudn't heard better. Congrat. Will send you a positive feedback. :great:
 
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Well, it's been real, guys.

I'm getting ready for my extended stay abroad, I have renewed all my .tels (and other domains as well) that would have renewed while I'm away, and I'll be taking a hiatus from domaining (other than quick checks here and there). I may lurk a bit here, but I'm no longer going to post in this thread, given that I have said all I'm going to say about .tel. I've heard the pros and cons, but I haven't heard much that is new, so it's time to move on to other to more informative conversations and adventures.

Bye!

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"What can .tel can do, that .com can't do?": Here the answer.

@ DubDubDubDot:
Your quote:
"...just ONE thing that .tel can do that .com can't do. Maybe you could give us one example.":

Answer:

.tel is focused on communications, not content, and it can be accessed in the right format across all browsers and many devices without needing to open a browser.

Furthermore, .tel information can bypass the Web completely and be accessed through applications directly on PCs or mobile devices.

A .tel also supports search engine optimization out of the box, as all of the information is stored as machine-readable, standards-based records with descriptions, so Google can index it and understand it better than a traditional Web site.

.tel domains are designed to compliment your existing website. By linking the two you can improve your position on search engines like Google.

.tel is the first domain that allows you to publish information to the Web, from any device, without the need for a Web site. .tel information can even be accessed without having to open a Web browser.

Some are referring to this as the "Webless Web," because it requires no ongoing fees for Web hosting, no Web coding, and can be changed at a moment's notice to be updated.

As a .tel address is not a Web site, people accessing the information over mobile devices will get to it as quickly as their Internet connection allows.

.Tel content is fully structured and published on the domain name server (DNS) rather than the World Wide Web. That makes it easily read and indexed by search engine crawlers, strengthening your presence in search results. This important SEO tool can help drive traffic to your Web site and may result in increased sales.

The technology behind .tel allows for the data to load much quicker than other domains including .com making it ideal for pocket internet surfing devices.

Whenever you type Henri Asseily you get data, which is not hosted by any server, but is contained in the domain name server itself.

The most interesting (and useful) difference between .tel and other gTLD's (generic top-level domains) is in the DNS. From the Telnic FAQ, "...the value of a .tel domain lies with the ability to host personal (or corporate) contact information directly in the DNS, which can then be universally accessible. This stands in contrast to the typical use of the DNS for other TLDs, in which the DNS only provides a mapping between domain names and IP addresses."

When a user needs to look-up the email address or phone number of an individual or business, the software can simply run a DNS query against a .tel to retrieve the latest contact information.

The .tel concept:
It's clearly an innovative and unique way to let folks stay in touch with one another using some relatively unexplored features of DNS. For the most part, I'd describe .tel as a cross between a typical DNS and WHOIS query. Unfortunately, .tel won't be as useful as I'd like until more users and software platforms adopt it as an information-sharing standard. Given the abundance of free social networking services, it may be hard to convince most users to pay an annual fee to keep their contact information online. However, if a large online player like Google begins to adopt .tel as a standard in many of its services, .tel domains could become valuable and useful tools.

So Bob the window cleaner who previously used the Yellow Pages communicating to a local audience can suddenly reach a far broader audience and have a Web presence with a .tel address.

The best part is he can do all of this without incurring the sometimes significant fees associated with designing and maintaining a Web site.

With .tel if Bob drops his cell phone into his bucket of water he can quickly switch his .tel address to point people to another number and not lose any customers.

Similarly, a large company that needs to get an emergency number out quickly to manage a crisis or product recall can use.tel to publish information on the Internet within seconds, complying with best practices in corporate communications and disclosure.

Search engines already visit the DNS to look up records. In fact, it's already quicker for these engines to read all of the information from the DNS which is formatted in a way that they understand than information residing on a traditional Web site.

As .tel is structured information with labels in each record, it's Googlejuice. And, of course, it can provide another link to drive better discovery and linkage to your existing Web properties.

The point about .tel is that it is a whole new way of using technology that has the potential to grow very fast.

A .tel domain allows you to create a personalised or branded online presence without needing to secure hosting, develop web pages or purchase email accounts.
 
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If we're shown a .tel a domain we can instantly recognise what it is (a communications hub), and since we know what it is, we know what we can do with it. Simples. This assurance also happens to be the reason why the TelProxy is designed to offer a consistent representation of records via HTTP.
The same "content assurance" argument can be made for .jobs, .travel, .aero, .pro, .biz and .museum.

It is not a strong example of something that .com can't do. If it were, those TLD's would be as huge in their respective industries as you think .tel is going to be.

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Could you use .com in a comparable way to .tel, i.e. set up a communications hub with all the same advantages, in literally minutes, for just $15 /year?
From a domaining perspective, what does the person who hasn't set up a .com mean to us? The .tel pumpers see a potential market willing to pay good money to get something online. I see a market that has procrastinated getting online so long that they aren't going to be very motivated to pay hundreds or even thousands for a .tel domain.

This is 2009. Getting a .com up is not that difficult anymore. Back during the boom era of the internet when .tel was first applied for, there were not as many options for laymen to get their info online. .tel was actually a pretty decent idea for that era of the internet.

As for setting up .tel functions on a .com in minutes, anyone with a basic understanding of HTML can do it. If you are talking about those without the skills, GoDaddy's WebSite Tonight feature (free with domains) provides a lot more flexibility than .tel. I would definitely recommend that route to someone before I told them to buy a .tel.
 
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Let me answer this ".tel vs. .com" issue once again, and let's hope it doesn't come up for another 50 pages.

Q: Can you do everything that .tel does in a .com?

A: YES

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Q: What does it take to do everything that .tel does in a .com?

A: If you wanted to do everything .tel does, you'd have to do the following:

- Build a front-end to manage NAPTR, TXT and LOC records in your .com domains
- Create some kind of friending system where you can easily exchange encryption keys so you can publish securely your encrypted NAPTR records
- Convince everyone that you've got NAPTR, TXT and LOC records in your .com domains, and give them the specs to parse them properly
- Somehow get everyone else with a .com to adopt your specs so that apps that are written can be used for every .com that publishes NAPTR records.
- Host your own DNS server with this data, or find a DNS hosting service that allows for pretty large zones and any type of zone record

Now if you do NOT do that, and simply look for a way to replicate the .tel web front-end (called the TelProxy), here's what you'd need:

- Create or apply some kind of authentication system so you can securely show only what you want to show to different people
- Build a template with a call to a backend DB to generate the pages. (you probably wouldn't want to build those pages manually and have to change them whenever you want to modify the data)
- Host this stuff or get it hosted somewhere

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Q: Why would I want to replicate .tel functionality when I could just replicate the Web front-end?

A: Because replicating the Web front-end does not allow you to build a very fast, decentralized lookup system for communication, where a single static name resolves to multiple communication channels automatically.
Using a .tel-enabled application, one can call a name. Or email a name. Or find an rss feed for a name. Without needing to know anything else, and without ever needing to make sure the numbers, emails or urls are up-to-date.
 
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Am I missing something, DubDubDubDot?:

I have both: .tel, as well as .com...

Please give us a breack. It looks like you are missing the point about .tel, or that you are not interested in seeing it, and having a deeper look, inside "of the magic of DNS".

Try it out: Get your self a dubdubdubdot.tel, and see how long it takes, till your dot tel is ranked in Google, page one, right at the top. And that you will be found in the web, as "DubDubDubDot", with your contact information, etc.

And then link your .tel to your .com, and see, how it will boost your business with your .com website.

In a nut shell: That is what .tel is all about.

Why not just accept and appreciate it as a useful SEO tool, etc., and give it a try and a chance. It is still very new. - How did .com look like, after about six months? How long did it need, for .com to be what it is today?

Give as much time to .tel to improove, and it will be at least as much appreciatet as the .com.

But, as we try to explain: .tel and .com are two different pairs of shoes.

Cheers, my dear friend, DubDubDubDot, and take care. You are ok, and so is .tel, as well.

Have a nice day.

Peace.

Peace with you and .tel, and the community, here.
 
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I see you name is frenchtel and don't know if you're in France but if yes you maybe can confirm to DubDubDubDot that bike sharing is not "activist or just news" in France :
Lyon (Velov) , Rennes, La rochelle, montpellier, aix (v hello), paris (Velib), marseille, besancon.......
Yes, I'm French Steve (nobody's perfect ...:]) and yes bike sharing becomes to be very popular in France, especially in Paris with "Velib".
A couple of figures about Velib:
- 20,000 bikes
- 1,450 stations
- 42 million users since mid-2007
 
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Now if you do NOT do that, and simply look for a way to replicate the .tel web front-end (called the TelProxy), here's what you'd need:

- Create or apply some kind of authentication system so you can securely show only what you want to show to different people
- Build a template with a call to a backend DB to generate the pages. (you probably wouldn't want to build those pages manually and have to change them whenever you want to modify the data)
- Host this stuff or get it hosted somewhere
This is the one that matters the most from a domaining perspective.

The requirements to replicate the .tel front-end are not a problem for the types of people that domainers target. So the ease of development arguments in this thread are really a moot point. It's like when a domainer includes a logo with the domain. Almost every time the buyer is throwing that logo in the trash and using something else, because they can.

If John Doe wants to use .tel as a point of contact, then go for it. But I think it's a real long shot for us domainers that this person is going to be willing to pay more for JohnDoe.tel in the domain aftermarket than he is myspace.com/johndoe or twitter.com/johndoe in the social site username black market.

In the event a business wants a .tel (the people domainers need to get interested, obviously), it's going to be BusinessName.tel due to the nature of the system. Those are of course TM's and we can't sell those.
 
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Hey, DubDubDubDot: your making progress! Good.

But it is not only "companyX.tel", it is also "generalgenericbusinesscategory.tel".

That is why we want to build commercial directories for business categories (houses, cars, cloths, health, transportation, fitness, etc,).

Within those categories, comes than "companyX.tel", "companyY.tel", "companyZ.tel", and so fort.

Not all company.tel have trade marks. And if you register a company.tel, which has no trade mark (yet), you won't loose any WIPO disput, and can keep your .tel.

I do see, that you are learning about .tel, and making progress.

And I know, you like to "fight" and disput with telsters, here. And it gives you some sort of pleasure and satisfaction. But it looks like this is your own way to approache and discover .tel.
Every person has his own way...

But one day, you will be there, and like and accept .tel, and it will be natural to you, to take advantage of .tel, and integrate it into your daily business, and for your domain name sales, etc.

I see, you are working hard. Just, try to be a bit more peaceful, and not like "a dog at a bone.tel"...

Cheers.tel.

:bingo:
 
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I have a new avatar :D
 
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............Frightening... :snaphappy:
 
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Great post.. I learned something....Thank you...

Let me answer this ".tel vs. .com" issue once again, and let's hope it doesn't come up for another 50 pages.

Q: Can you do everything that .tel does in a .com?

A: YES

=====

Q: What does it take to do everything that .tel does in a .com?

A: If you wanted to do everything .tel does, you'd have to do the following:

- Build a front-end to manage NAPTR, TXT and LOC records in your .com domains
- Create some kind of friending system where you can easily exchange encryption keys so you can publish securely your encrypted NAPTR records
- Convince everyone that you've got NAPTR, TXT and LOC records in your .com domains, and give them the specs to parse them properly
- Somehow get everyone else with a .com to adopt your specs so that apps that are written can be used for every .com that publishes NAPTR records.
- Host your own DNS server with this data, or find a DNS hosting service that allows for pretty large zones and any type of zone record

Now if you do NOT do that, and simply look for a way to replicate the .tel web front-end (called the TelProxy), here's what you'd need:

- Create or apply some kind of authentication system so you can securely show only what you want to show to different people
- Build a template with a call to a backend DB to generate the pages. (you probably wouldn't want to build those pages manually and have to change them whenever you want to modify the data)
- Host this stuff or get it hosted somewhere

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Q: Why would I want to replicate .tel functionality when I could just replicate the Web front-end?

A: Because replicating the Web front-end does not allow you to build a very fast, decentralized lookup system for communication, where a single static name resolves to multiple communication channels automatically.
Using a .tel-enabled application, one can call a name. Or email a name. Or find an rss feed for a name. Without needing to know anything else, and without ever needing to make sure the numbers, emails or urls are up-to-date.
 
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You're right on this one, it would be very easy to set up a similar site on .com.
But it would be far slower, and slowness is the last thing you want when looking for an emergency phone number ...
That is not true. Actually the exact same (HTML) layout can be ported to any other extension, it's just HTML and images. It would weigh the same no matter what the extension.

As for speed:
I use HTTP compression techniques to speed up the load time for my websites. Do a search for mod_gzip/mod_deflate...
Right now sos1.tel weighs 7.29K, that could be reduced to less than 1K, if only mod_gzip/mod_deflate was enabled on the telnic servers... needless to say the bandwidth savings could be significant :gl:

HTTP Compression Test
 
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The requirements to replicate the .tel front-end are not a problem for the types of people that domainers target. So the ease of development arguments in this thread are really a moot point. It's like when a domainer includes a logo with the domain. Almost every time the buyer is throwing that logo in the trash and using something else, because they can.

Fine - but a website for contact information on a .com is only comparable to the TelProxy part of .tel - the tip of the iceberg, everything else is beneath the surface of the water. That's the 90% you're failing to appreciate.

DubDubDubDot said:
If John Doe wants to use .tel as a point of contact, then go for it. But I think it's a real long shot for us domainers that this person is going to be willing to pay more for JohnDoe.tel in the domain aftermarket than he is myspace.com/johndoe or twitter.com/johndoe in the social site username black market.

In the event a business wants a .tel (the people domainers need to get interested, obviously), it's going to be BusinessName.tel due to the nature of the system. Those are of course TM's and we can't sell those.

It's probably more likely that you'll see firstname.tel's being traded amongst individuals, for their vanity value. The market for fullname.tel's will be much thinner IMHO

Category and geographic names are the ones that should matter to domainers.
 
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Take care Ms Domainer! Enjoy your trip, wherever that may be, and look forward to hearing from you when you return from your adventure.... Will you be a .tel millionaire by then?? :D

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Well, it's been real, guys.

I'm getting ready for my extended stay abroad, I have renewed all my .tels (and other domains as well) that would have renewed while I'm away, and I'll be taking a hiatus from domaining (other than quick checks here and there). I may lurk a bit here, but I'm no longer going to post in this thread, given that I have said all I'm going to say about .tel. I've heard the pros and cons, but I haven't heard much that is new, so it's time to move on to other to more informative conversations and adventures.

Bye!

;)

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I have a new avatar :D

Love the "Bling" :)

---------- Post added at 08:47 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:45 AM ----------

That is not true. Actually the exact same (HTML) layout can be ported to any other extension, it's just HTML and images. It would weigh the same no matter what the extension.

As for speed:
I use HTTP compression techniques to speed up the load time for my websites. Do a search for mod_gzip/mod_deflate...
Right now sos1.tel weighs 7.29K, that could be reduced to less than 1K, if only mod_gzip/mod_deflate was enabled on the telnic servers... needless to say the bandwidth savings could be significant :gl:

HTTP Compression Test

I'm gonna check that out...

Thanks Kate. :)
 
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for building a .com website about .tel domains, do you think it is better to have the form TelDomain.com or DotTelDomain.com? so having just the 'tel' or the whole 'dottel' in front? do you think people search more for ".tel" or "dot tel" ?
 
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One thing that really is needed and probably has been mentioned already is the 'changing of backgrounds' - is this in the works?.

I'm too lazy to read every post just to find the answer already stated.
 
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