The .TEL Discussion Thread

[brendan52190]

Hi

For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?

 

[jude11]

Any new sales reported on .Tel?

I also own Consolidation*tel
http://www.consolidation.tel

However, its not really configured at this point.

Lottos.tel sold for 320 on Sedo. I know because I stopped at 300.

 

[steveteva]

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StuartP: Thank you for this.

Here's my understanding:

Let's say I own HomeForSale[.]tel or Homesforsale[.]tel (I don't, so please don't issue a warning for advertising).

Very generic and expensive terms.

For the first one, I, as a homeowner, could use this domain to sell my own home as a FSBO. In an ad, either print or online, I could simply say,

Elegant New York City Penthouse for Sale.

Contact: HomeForSale[.]tel​

On that site, you could include links to

1. A short description in the Profile section, including price.

2. Website (Werglesnorp13896.com) with all the bells and whistles.

3. A phone number.

4. An email address.

5. Keywords: Exact or general location of property.

6. Keywords: Appropriate keywords as related to high-end real estate.​

Which point of contact is one most likely to remember when he/she walks away from that ad?

HomeForSale.tel

or

Werglesnorp13896.com

???​

The plural is more self-evident; a real estate company that owns this domain could use the subdomains (folders) to feature certain homes at any given time, each folder containing the pertinent info for one home.

The real estate company could also simply use the main page as a portal to a website, email, and phone number.

Rep on its way.

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That s exactly what I did with sandiegoapartments.tel as a test.

But MSdomainer, I just want to be critical here, why will they advertise homesale.tel or other similar tel when they can do with homesale.biz, .cc or any available tld or even dot com like thisisforsale.com or similar, also it will be greater because it will have full listing. So I don't see why .tel will be right for it.

 

[Billy2009]

I said earlier I will post here all news, regardless of positive or negative.

I've just registered an LLL .tel for an associate who just formed his company. The letters are his business acronym of 3 words and it will be perfect as a shorthand and pointer to his developed web site.

For this type of function, I am a supporter.

My God....................supporter. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.............I nearly had a heart attack........where's my heart pills! :kickass:

 

[jagdotme]

Hey that's fantastic Jag! Remember when you first mentioned you had this name and a few had said it wasnt that great as a domain, lol... well looks like you proved some people wrong with a strong opening bid, Im real excited for you man. If I was lesbian (or even a woman), would probably have a go for it myself, lol.
:lala:

Cheers

I'm quite happy myself, its my 1st ever auction (I started 2006). Cant wait till monday and see what the final sale is. As I was told by a Pro Domainer let it rip and see what the market decides.

 

[phase111]

That s exactly what I did with sandiegoapartments.tel as a test.

But MSdomainer, I just want to be critical here, why will they advertise homesale.tel or other similar tel when they can do with homesale.biz, .cc or any available tld or even dot com like thisisforsale.com or similar, also it will be greater because it will have full listing. So I don't see why .tel will be right for it.

Luckily she didnt use my housesforsale.tel as an example or I would ahve had to issue a reprimand, lol. But you do have a valid point about using another tld for a similar memorable name. I guess I bought housesforsale.tel to onsell to a realestate agent primarily... that along with the fact that that phrase gets 1.5 million exact searches a month on google apparently. But yes, if you are selling your own apartment etc. then a site like homeforsale.cc would be suitable... only thing is that it would be slower to load on a mobile if you just wanted the contact details only of the vendor.

 

[Ms Domainer]

That s exactly what I did with sandiegoapartments.tel as a test.

But MSdomainer, I just want to be critical here, why will they advertise homesale.tel or other similar tel when they can do with homesale.biz, .cc or any available tld or even dot com like thisisforsale.com or similar, also it will be greater because it will have full listing. So I don't see why .tel will be right for it.

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stevteva,

None of those TLDs are available for HomesForSale, which is true for most high-performing keywords. And using .cc (and any other ccTLD) is good only if you're selling your home to buyers in the sponsoring country. Search engines tend not to rank ccTLDs high outside their countries (.tel is a gTLD).

WHEN (and I'm not saying IF) .tel becomes the standard as the mobile and web contact, users will know that they can safely land on a .tel page without encountering spam (other than what could be placed in the profile/keywords), flashing images that might crash your computer, malicious malware and downloaders, third-party ads, redirects to p0rn pages.

Contrary to popular belief within the domaining community, sometimes users, even young people, just want quick information without all the fancy stuff.


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[ecigs.net]

If the .tel is not supposed to function like any other TLD, what on earth are you pushing it for on the WWW ?

If it were truly an application specific for the new devices, off Port 80, what are you doing serving up web pages over http?

The truth is, .tel is aching to compete with *any* other TLD - but its functions are castrated from birth: the DNS might be a cool, 1024bit secure piece of data but when Joe Blogger can't use it to host Joe.tel on, what is it good for?

I forgot, Joe is busy these days scribbling his name with latte on the subway windows.

The Internet is more than blogs and TEL is not designed for bloggers. TEL is a business card on steriods. In that purpose, TEL is exceptional. Any non-technical person can use the TLD to promote their contact information and themselves without having to hire a $125 an hour programmer. It really is perfectly suited for what it is designed to do: store contact information in a way that anyone can use.

If you want a TLD for bloggers, wait for dotWeb. Don't keep trashing TEL just because it was designed for a totally different reason than you find useful.

 

[onspec]

Hey that's fantastic Jag! Remember when you first mentioned you had this name and a few had said it wasnt that great as a domain, lol... well looks like you proved some people wrong with a strong opening bid, Im real excited for you man. If I was lesbian (or even a woman), would probably have a go for it myself, lol.
:lala:

I debated whether to with lesbian or lesbians and opted for the latter (more is better?).

Good luck with the sale Jag.

Cheers,

 

[jagdotme]

I debated whether to with lesbian or lesbians and opted for the latter (more is better?).

Good luck with the sale Jag.

Cheers,

Thank you for your kind post.

 

[DubDubDubDot]

This should be controversial.

If you really want to understand the value of .tel, please read this whole post. If you want to constructively challenge the information here, please go right ahead, but let’s stop talking about .tel as a TLD that we can build minimalist web pages on. That's not going to get us where we want to go.

Great post, Stuart.

If I have led anyone to believe that my position on .tel is that it's good for nothing and will fail, that is not necessarily the case. Any perceived frustration from me is moreso directed at the .tel "developers" who, as you say, view it as a turnkey ecommerce solution without hosting costs. While several posters have attempted to point these people on the right track, their rebuttals to us have not been business-minded to say the least.

What do I really think of .tel in regards to it's intended use?

.tel is in my view just another social networking startup that for some mind blowing reason ICANN gave it's own TLD to. I am not optimistic or pessimistic over .tel's future. It's kind of "just there" right now alongside 1,000+ other social sites hoping to one day become a household name and then sell out for a billion dollars.


With that said, social sites historically take 3-5 years to really ramp up (if it happens at all, which is always a long shot). So domainers who believe in .tel at this very early stage need to keep renewal fees in mind. This is something few in the showcase thread did, and many .tel's in there would have problems weathering the renewal fees storm even if they were .com's.

Ultimately the domaining aspect comes down to business use of .tel. Nobody is going to profit off of individual use except the registrars and [name].tel owners. For business use, I see little to no value right now as-is. Business phone numbers are very easy to come by. Simply searching Google for a business name & location returns their phone number right on the search results page even if it's a small business that doesn't have a website. And that's just Google.

But hypothetically speaking, let's assume that in 5 years a lot of businesses are using .tel.

Domainers here early on are applying the .com rules to .tel without thinking. The potential for [keywords].tel and [brandable].tel is not the same as .com because when you buy QualityWidgets.com, "QualityWidgets.com" is now your company's name. So a domainer buys QualityWidgets.tel. Now what? You can't develop that into a brand since the brand must come before the .tel given the purpose of this TLD.

So maybe the domainer tries to sell his QualityWidgets.tel to US Widget Company, but they already have USwidget.tel since [CompanyName].tel is what makes sense for this TLD.

To reiterate:

Value for individual use goes to the registrars and [name].tel owners.

Value for business use goes to the registrars and [SuperPremiumKeyword].tel owners.

 

[onspec]

Some valid points there DDDDot.

One of the reasons we jumped in is because of the growing use of mobile phones around the world and the need for many consumers in developing countries to be able to easily communicate with their peers and customers.

We (in most developed countries) tend to be very leading edge, latest, greatest, gotta have 2-phones blazing-speed, hi-res, 3G, 4G, 5G oh gee indoctrinated that we tend to forget that there are +/- 4 Billion cell phones out there that will eventually find the simplicity and utility of.tel very appealing.

That's why we think that .tel domain owners that can find ways to satisfy those mobile niches will prosper in the future.

Errrr...that and a massive movement back to phone sex ...

 

[habaer]

What is the maximum “folders”(sub-domains) of .tel can have on Telhosting?

What is the maximum “folders”(sub-domains) of .tel can have on Telhosting?

One important model of application DotTel domain is a directory service.
For example, pizzaxyz.tel

You can create a directory like :

aaapizza.pizzaxyz.tel
bbbpizza.pizzaxyz.tel
cccpizza.pizzaxyz.tel

.....
here : aaapizza,bbbpizza,cccpizza are "folders" (subdomains) created in telhoting,
this can be a big list.
Anyone knows: What is the maximum “folders”(sub-domains) of .tel can have on Telhosting?


Thanks in advance

 

[plaggypig]

It can go up to 253 characters:

http://www.ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/namedroppers.2003/msg00964.html

 

[Steven]

I'm not sure if they have a maximum limit for subdomains, but I figure it's going to start to be a bit hard to manage after a couple hundred subdomains have been created.

 

[DubDubDubDot]

Which point of contact is one most likely to remember when he/she walks away from that ad?

HomeForSale.tel

or

Werglesnorp13896.com

???​

If you are trying to explain that a good .tel is easier to remember than a poor .com, you are preaching to the choir. Nobody is going to debate you on that with any TLD.

But I must ask, why in your example did you give the .tel the better domain? Why not make it HomeForSale.com vs. Werglesnorp13896.tel ???

I know what you are getting at.... That .tel naturally has (or had, maybe) easier to remember domains available because it is new. That in itself doesn't help .tel long term though since TLD's are not new forever and all the good ones are snatched up quickly.

One of the reasons we jumped in is because of the growing use of mobile phones around the world and the need for many consumers in developing countries to be able to easily communicate with their peers and customers.

Great. Now tell me why .tel is necessary to accomplish this.​

 

[habaer]

I do not mean the maximum length of domains or subdomains, I mean how many subdomains (in telhosting are folders) you can have in one .tel domain of Telhoting.

 

[jagdotme]

I know what you are getting at.... That .tel naturally has (or had, maybe) easier to remember domains available because it is new. That in itself doesn't help .tel long term though since TLD's are not new forever and all the good ones are snatched up quickly.


Great. Now tell me why .tel is necessary to accomplish this.

Puttingyouthere.tel loaded up in 3 secs on my mobile phone (O2 contract N96 phone U.K) while puttingyouthere.com didnt even load up on my mobile (maybe a flash website). So thats the best reason why a .Tel is good if people cant view the .com via mobile they might try the .tel. Thats just one example.

 

[plaggypig]

I do not mean the maximum length of domains or subdomains, I mean how many subdomains (in telhosting are folders) you can have in one .tel domain of Telhoting.

Ah, sorry I misunderstood the question.

There's no hard limit, per se, but it's basically down to your TelHosting provider I believe.

It shouldn't be an issue though - how many links do you plan on listing in any one folder? You don't want to have too many, or your directory would become painful to navigate.

 

[Ms Domainer]

If you are trying to explain that a good .tel is easier to remember than a poor .com, you are preaching to the choir. Nobody is going to debate you on that with any TLD.

But I must ask, why in your example did you give the .tel the better domain? Why not make it HomeForSale.com vs. Werglesnorp13896.tel ???

I know what you are getting at.... That .tel naturally has (or had, maybe) easier to remember domains available because it is new. That in itself doesn't help .tel long term though since TLD's are not new forever and all the good ones are snatched up quickly.


Great. Now tell me why .tel is necessary to accomplish this.

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DDDDot,

Most of the premium .coms are parked or are already owned by major corporations. There are still some good .tels out there.

Hell will freeze over before I (or most anyone else) will have an opportunity to own a domain like HomesForSale[.]com. That's why I used the Werglesnorp13896 example (maybe a little exaggerated) because that's the kind of .com most ordinary bloggers and small businesses use. One could go crazy scanning the GoDaddy Firesale list at all the REALLY bad names there.

I see young people registering their nicknames, user names, and real names (when they can). These users are NOT looking for traffic in the same sense that a domainer or business does. They just want friends, family, and colleagues to have a reliable and memorable contact address, and a .tel offers this.

Even if I were a real estate agent and had HomesForSale[.]com, I would still have regged (if I could--it IS gone) HomesForSale[.]tel, just for my phone customers. Anyone who uses a mobile phone a lot for business will see .tel's value. My agent aunt lives on her mobile, even when she's home, and people looking for houses are often out and about. When they see that real estate sign planted in the yard, they see something like HomesForSale.tel or a non-descript number, which one will they likely remember?

I don't see .tel as a social networking site per se, but as a super contact page for mobiles that can be integrated with .com websites and other TLDs, and, yes, .mobi (if its registry can get its act together, which I hope it does).

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.


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[lexisdomains]

Super Resale Opportunity!

Most of the premium .coms are parked or are already owned by major corporations. There are still some good .tels out there.

I've been searching for short, memorable, 3 letter acronyms that represent large corporate brands or focal market word phrases. These type of .tels will have an exponential Return On Investment (ROI).

I don't see .tel as a social networking site per se, but as a super contact page for mobiles that can be integrated with .com websites....

Hey, I hope Apple picks up Henri's SuperBook API for Apple iPhones.
This would really make for a nice search framework for .Tel.