The .TEL Discussion Thread

[brendan52190]

Hi

For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?

 

[thenext88]

I know of some good .TEL available but there's no way in hell I'm investing $300 on a single domain. I simply do not feel confident at all with the extension. When it drops to $15-$20 I'll register 2 or 3 if some on my list are still available, otherwise I will pass.

I really don't see myself using .TEL in a few years. Handheld devices are becoming so advanced, might as well just view the entire web page - I mean how many of you have used the new iPod? It's a nice concept, but unfortunately I feel .TEL would have been much better off if it was released when mobile devices were still pretty primitive.

 

[plaggypig]

I know of some good .TEL available but there's no way in hell I'm investing $300 on a single domain. I simply do not feel confident at all with the extension. When it drops to $15-$20 I'll register 2 or 3 if some on my list are still available, otherwise I will pass.

Surely it all depends upon *what* name you're talking about registering? If you had the opportunity of registering flowers.tel (or one of the other top 100 premium names) for $300, then you'd have taken it, right? Some names are worth it, others are not. I won't be getting my surname.tel until general availability, that's for sure.

I really don't see myself using .TEL in a few years. Handheld devices are becoming so advanced, might as well just view the entire web page - I mean how many of you have used the new iPod? It's a nice concept, but unfortunately I feel .TEL would have been much better off if it was released when mobile devices were still pretty primitive.

But .tel wouldn't have been technically possible on more primitive mobile devices - Telnic's timing is spot on, in my opinion. And yes, mobile devices will continue to improve, but the mobile networks themselves will retain inherent problems (latency) for certain kinds of applications - pulling down data over HTTP being one of them. This is acceptable for casual browsing habits, but if you're navigating your way through a directory then it is most definitely an annoyance. IMO this technical detail will prove to be one of .tel's killer features.

"I really don't see myself using .TEL in a few years."

I think you'll be eating those words in a couple of years time! :talk: :p

 

[morganga]

I see .tels replacing mobile numbers, they're much easier to communicate and remember.

 

[saucey]

So full name of Bangkok is not in the reserved list.

I am pretty sure it is still available. Anyone would like to regis?

It is --> Krung Thep Mahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Yuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Piman Awatan Sathit Sakkathattiya Witsanukam Prasit.TEL

Gone ages ago....

I really don't see myself using .TEL in a few years.

Don't know about you, but I didn't really see myself using "text messaging" on my cell phone a few years ago..... Now, it's constant!

Who caught onto this first? The young people.... If this is marketed HARD to the younger generation... eg 12yrs to 25yrs, this thing will FLY in my opinion. Obviously, I don't mean to exclude the other generations.... Just don't forget about the younger ones, because they will be where the revenue is coming from in 2 to 5 years..and they are still at an adaptable age... Not some staunchy old geezers who are set in their ways..! :p

Justin, use the "catholic church" principles and start marketing towards the younger generation and they will be yours for life!

Saucey

 

[Tribulatio]

So full name of Bangkok is not in the reserved list.

I am pretty sure it is still available. Anyone would like to regis?

Only country names in the reserved list, not city names!
Anyway, bangkok.tel HAS already been registered (not by me!). Like many other city names, especially those of large US or international cities.

 

[steveteva]

http://www.telnic.org/downloads/geographic.txt

So full name of Bangkok is not in the reserved list.

I am pretty sure it is still available. Anyone would like to regis?

It is --> Krung Thep Mahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Yuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Piman Awatan Sathit Sakkathattiya Witsanukam Prasit.TEL

There are countries in the list that aren't valuable, here is an example: there is principautedemonaco.tel they have locked in the geo txt list but no one will get that tel but monaco.tel (someone did registered in sunrise) is better and not listed in geo txt. Here is another example, frenchpolynesia and polynesiefrancaise were locked but nobody types that country but type tahiti (I own it), so this list is just country but not a smart list and happy it's that way. Also I've seen Russia locked but I'm sure that russian people don't say russia their country because it's english spelling. So there are still some opportunity to grab some great country ones.

 

[MicroGuy]

I know of some good .TEL available but there's no way in hell I'm investing $300 on a single domain. I simply do not feel confident at all with the extension. When it drops to $15-$20 I'll register 2 or 3 if some on my list are still available, otherwise I will pass.

I really don't see myself using .TEL in a few years. Handheld devices are becoming so advanced, might as well just view the entire web page - I mean how many of you have used the new iPod? It's a nice concept, but unfortunately I feel .TEL would have been much better off if it was released when mobile devices were still pretty primitive.

Agreed.

I understand that Mobile and desktop applications are currently being developed to store and access DNS information using the same methods of those employed by Telnic.

The only difference is with these applications you have the option (depending on the registrar) to use the TLD of your choice. Access to NAPTR records is not exclusive to .TEL and can and will be fully utilized with all other TLDs.

The real difference between a traditional domain and .TEL is the loss of control by the registrant. For you (the owner) are stripped of the ability to host 'your' domain on servers of 'your' choosing (a.k.a. you can't host your own domain). And there are other restrictions not being publicized.

The hardest part to swallow is the fact that they expect folks to shell out money for a domain and yet have practically no control over it. Telnic controls the servers hosting the site template and the almighty 'A' records. You are trusting that they will keep those servers running. It's called faith I guess.

In my opinion, they should allow advanced users access to the entire DNS. If this extension has any hope of survival it will need to adapt and become much less restrictive in these areas.

This would allow non-technical users to use the Telnic 'hosting' services already in place but appeal also to advanced users who are interested in total control and advanced development and don't want to use those horrendous looking .tel default pages.

 

[phase111]

Agreed.

I understand that Mobile and desktop applications are currently being developed to store and access DNS information using the same methods of those employed by Telnic.

The only difference is with these applications you have the option (depending on the registrar) to use the TLD of your choice. Access to NAPTR records is not exclusive to .TEL and can and will be fully utilized with all other TLDs.

The real difference between a traditional domain and .TEL is the loss of control by the registrant. For you (the owner) are stripped of the ability to host 'your' domain on servers of 'your' choosing (a.k.a. you can't host your own domain). And there are other restrictions not being publicized.

The hardest part to swallow is the fact that they expect folks to shell out money for a domain and yet have practically no control over it. Telnic controls the servers hosting the site template and the almighty 'A' records. You are trusting that they will keep those servers running. It's called faith I guess.

In my opinion, they should allow advanced users access to the entire DNS. If this extension has any hope of survival it will need to adapt and become much less restrictive in these areas.

This would allow non-technical users to use the Telnic 'hosting' services already in place but appeal also to advanced users who are interested in total control and advanced development and don't want to use those horrendous looking .tel default pages.

Mate, after bashing Justin from Telnic with a bunch of non truths, it makes it difficult to take anything you say without a bit of scepticism.

 

[MicroGuy]

Anyone else having problems accessing Justin.tel via the web. Seems to be slow today?

 

[plaggypig]

I understand that Mobile and desktop applications are currently being developed to store and access DNS information using the same methods of those employed by Telnic.

Obviously people have been trying to solve this problem for ages using all sorts of different approaches. The issue here is whether Telnic has a winning formula, and for numerous reasons I believe that they do.

The hardest part to swallow is the fact that they expect folks to shell out money for a domain and yet have practically no control over it. Telnic controls the servers hosting the site template and the almighty 'A' records. You are trusting that they will keep those servers running. It's called faith I guess.

You have full control over what gets stored in your DNS records, but I don't really understand why you'd wish you could control the A records - what would you do with them exactly? The whole point of .tel is contact information, not banner advertising. Don't you see the value in that?

You also have the choice of who hosts your .tel web page - Telnic, or your registrar (if they participate). Perhaps in the future you'll be able to get accredited to run your own server, who knows? It's pretty irrelevant at this stage of the game.

This would allow non-technical users to use the Telnic 'hosting' services already in place but appeal also to advanced users who are interested in total control and advanced development and don't want to use those horrendous looking .tel default pages.

We're going to space in 5 minutes but you're too busy doing your hair to make the flight! :p

 

[Steven]

You have full control over what gets stored in your DNS records, but I don't really understand why you'd wish you could control the A records - what would you do with them exactly? The whole point of .tel is contact information, not banner advertising. Don't you see the value in that?

If this is true, then you can change your host (let's say Dreamhost.com as an example).
Then, you can create any website you want out of your name.

However, from what I'm reading, it seems like .tel owners get stuck with a plain looking static site (Not very good at all for SEO purpose and will be beaten by every competition that updates their pages).

$100 a year for a contact information site?
I can do that by spending $7 on a .com or any other extension and putting it on a free host.

How will you make money on a traffic-less website that cannot be properly developed?
Who will actually pay for advertisement?

Am I missing something here?

Just a food for thought.

 

[phase111]

Anyone else having problems accessing Justin.tel via the web. Seems to be slow today?

Yep, it's not registering, but this could be for a number of reasons apart from what your thinking, lol....celebrity.tel and my-idol.tel work fine (and fast)
Microguy, I really hope you consider buying even a couple names in GA, I would feel a bit guilty when it takes off and you missed out because of any misconceptions you had. Even if the regular web pages do begin to load lighting fast (and they probably will soon), that still doesn't solve the 'accessing contact information easily' problem that .tel does solve. It's always difficult to look into teh future with certainty and I like Justin's idea of being a retrospective futurologist, but all we can do is predict, often by what's happened in the past..because .tel is so revolutionary as a tld, we cannot look back at .mobi and .asia and a host of other tld's and base our judgements on those because they're so different in what they do... .tel is one of the most useful tld's Ive seen since .com (personally, IMHO).

 

[MicroGuy]

Yep, it's not registering, but this could be for a number of reasons apart from what your thinking, lol.

Justin.tel is loading for me (tested from two US geographical locations) but painfully slow. The page is taking around 30 to 45 seconds to load from both my dedicated server in Texas and my office PC in South Carolina.

 

[steveteva]

Yep, it's not registering, but this could be for a number of reasons apart from what your thinking, lol.

Justin.tel is loading for me (tested from two US geographical locations) but painfully slow. The page is taking around 30 to 45 seconds to load from both my dedicated server in Texas and my office PC in South Carolina.

Me too, very slow. Hope that they fix that or many .tel owners will be angry.

But I really believe on .tel even if some domainers here don't.

 

[phase111]

Ye, that's interesting then, if there are any teething problems, Im sure telnic will fix these before GA. Maybee Justin could comment on the reason if any for the slow load? I havent had any probs accessing .tels before.

Me too, very slow. Hope that they fix that or many .tel owners will be angry.

But I really believe on .tel even if some domainers here don't.

 

[Keith]

You're right, most countries if not all have been taken but there are so many U.S cities that there is still lot available, it's not really worth unless it's famous or big cities like palm beach, las vegas, atlanta... but they are all gone in sunrise or first day of landrush. Small cities might be for domainers that lives there and want to have a part of his city as virtual. But General reg. will save money rather than landrush unless you want it.

Are you telling me all major cities were taken first day of landrush? That would be funny because 18 U.S. states were available a few days after landrush began. The last 2 just got regged a few days ago.

 

[Kate]

because .tel is so revolutionary as a tld, we cannot look back at .mobi and .asia and a host of other tld's and base our judgements on those because they're so different in what they do... .tel is one of the most useful tld's Ive seen since .com (personally, IMHO).

It's funny considering that it's the most restrictive ever in terms of features :gl:
There is plenty of experience which indicates that the extensions that are expensive and full of restrictions don't fare so well. I don't need to enumerate them, do I ?
We always get to hear the same story whenever a TLD is launched: it's so 'different', so 'unique', revolutionary blah blah. But we've seen it all in domaining. Some domainers even predicted than the cellphone makers would ship units with a default .mobi button Wishful thinking.
I read that .mobi would be the second extension after .com, but wait - the same has been said about .biz, it was many years ago. And even before there was talks of .cc rising as the next shining star along .com... it was a long time ago... 1996 ? :zzz:

I just can't wait to see your wonderful .tel domains in action :kickass:

 

[Telster]

It's funny considering that it's the most restrictive ever in terms of features :gl:
There is plenty of experience which indicates that the extensions that are expensive and full of restrictions don't fare so well. I don't need to enumerate them, do I ?

While you may store NAPTR records with any domain, with .tel you always know what you get. No advertising, no parking pages, no bullshit, just plain infos in the right format. I think, most people would like it (perhaps except some domainers).

 

[phase111]

Wow, were you into domaining back in 1996?? Hope you got some good .com's :loveyou:

It's funny considering that it's the most restrictive ever in terms of features :gl:
There is plenty of experience which indicates that the extensions that are expensive and full of restrictions don't fare so well. I don't need to enumerate them, do I ?
We always get to hear the same story whenever a TLD is launched: it's so 'different', so 'unique', revolutionary blah blah. But we've seen it all in domaining. Some domainers even predicted than the cellphone makers would ship units with a default .mobi button Wishful thinking.
I read that .mobi would be the second extension after .com, but wait - the same has been said about .biz, it was many years ago. And even before there was talks of .cc rising as the next shining star along .com... it was a long time ago... 1996 ? :zzz:

I just can't wait to see your wonderful .tel domains in action :kickass:

 

[Steven]

While you may store NAPTR records with any domain, with .tel you always know what you get. No advertising, no parking pages, no bullshit, just plain infos in the right format. I think, most people would like it (perhaps except some domainers).

How are we supposed to make money off the "plain" (also static) info website?

How are we supposed to attract advertisers (the ones who will pay money to list on your site) if the site is too plain (limited amount of info) for people in general to be attracted to, gets no traffic, and outranked badly in search engine by competitors due to lack of SEO methods?

How are we realistically supposed to make money from .tel then?

What if telnic server goes down for whatever reason (maybe electrical problem?)? Then all the .tel sites will go down too?

Personally, I think .tel should get rid of all the restrictions.