The .TEL Discussion Thread

[brendan52190]

Hi

For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?

 

[chader144]

Why not just have Chuck Norris? Here are some interesting facts:

Fact #1: Chuck Norris controls your A records. If you try and change them yourself he will break your face.
Fact #2: Chuck Norris already knows your phone number, and your address, and your present geo-location - .tel is simply the physical manifestation of this knowledge.
Fact #3: Chuck Norris applied for hotels.tel during sunrise - his trademark application was just his photograph. Deloitte's approved it.

:kickass: :lol:

Best post of the month so far!!

 

[phase111]

:kickass: :lol:

Best post of the month so far!!

Regarding the leasing and sub domaining rules, does that mean I cannot even run a Norris directory and lease to chuck, his own name back to him, even though I may be in control of his details myself? So if I owned and controlled chuck.norris.tel, he couldnt get the benefit of that at all in any way? Would be great for justin to clarify, unless it's crystal clear already (is it?). Not that Id be ringing up chuck for a chinwag any tim I'd like- god knows it would be cool to have his private number all the same. If directories were possible at all, then I could run celebrity.tel (If I owned it) and just sign up some stars like some of my fav stars like: alpacino.celebrity.tel, johnneydepp.celebrity.tel or even (heaven forbid , but just for a laugh....davidhasselhoff.celebrity.tel (and no, Im not gay), but the limits with this seem endless if at all possible :imho: :hehe:

 

[Ms Domainer]

Hi Guys

I'm new to this discussion and have just skimmed thru a few pages along the way to page 28 and can't find what I was looking for, so please forgive me if I'm repeating what someone else has already said.

Isn't the power of the .tel domain in the new NAPTR DNS record which is exclusive to the .tel domain?

I read a lot of posts where people say: go to web address: blah-blah.tel and look at the contact info, then contact your service.

The whole point of NAPTR record is to allow that step to be automated.

If the A record is the DNS for IP addresses,
The NAPTR record is the DNS for EVERYTHING ELSE.

So to phone someone, dont type their phone number into your mobile, just type in their tel domain and the mobile will do the rest.
Add a tel domain to your mobile and you have all their contact info.
Email someone using a .tel domain, skype someones .tel address, if they have GPS on their mobile and some software that updates location, then why not type in a .tel domain to google maps?

NAPTR records can also point to OTHER NAPTR records.

This sounds exciting because, if I owned smith.tel, for example, then I could offer a subscription service at smithtel.com whereby I map john.smith.tel to john123xyz.tel thereby giving john smith a nice looking tel domain and still giving him full control of his contact info via his private john123xyz.tel.

Am I missing something?

Gary

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Yep, I think your understanding is correct.

I map john.smith.tel to john123xyz.tel thereby giving john smith a nice looking tel domain and still giving him full control of his contact info via his private john123xyz.tel.​

Ah, yes! I hadn't thought of this angle, but it makes perfect sense; it adds another layer for a John Smith who most likely lost out on his surname.

You could do the same thing for first names (given that directories are typically last name first:

Smith.John[.]tel redirecting to John123xyz[.]tel

Brown.John[.]tel redirecting to John456abc[.]tel

Doe.John[.]tel redirecting to John789def[.]tel​

and so on.

Of course, the more common the name, the more you can charge for a subdomain listing.

Easy, fast, and potentially VERY lucrative. A simple link from your card to the subscriber's card, AND the subscriber retains complete control of his/her private info. Also, if the subscriber wishes, he/she could bypass the .tel altogether and take you directly to his/her contact webpage.

Another thing: if the subscriber does not wish to set up his/her own dot tel or webpage, you could charge a set-up fee for mapping out the subdomain with the subscriber's contact information, and if the info changes regularly, you could charge a monthly maintenance fee. However, I do see that the subscriber is most likely to want to control his/her own contact info.

I could do the same thing for here.tel (which I envision as a people directory), but with full names, something like,

JohnSmith.here[.]tel redirecting to JohnSimth123[.]tel

John-Smith.here[.]tel redirecting to John-Simth123[.]tel​

As Owen Frager says,

"Always thinking."

And always keeping your ears open to what other people are saying, even if you don't agree.

Rep for morganga.

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[plaggypig]

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Yep, I think your understanding is correct.

I map john.smith.tel to john123xyz.tel thereby giving john smith a nice looking tel domain and still giving him full control of his contact info via his private john123xyz.tel.​

Ah, yes! I hadn't thought of this angle, but it makes perfect sense; it adds another layer for a John Smith who most likely lost out on his surname.

You could do the same thing for first names (given that directories are typically last name first:

Smith.John[.]tel redirecting to John123xyz[.]tel

Brown.John[.]tel redirecting to John456abc[.]tel

Doe.John[.]tel redirecting to John789def[.]tel​

and so on.

Of course, the more common the name, the more you can charge for a subdomain listing.

Easy, fast, and potentially VERY lucrative. A simple link from your card to the subscriber's card, AND the subscriber retains complete control of his/her private info. Also, if the subscriber wishes, he/she could bypass the .tel altogether and take you directly to his/her contact webpage.

Another thing: if the subscriber does not wish to set up his/her own dot tel or webpage, you could charge a set-up fee for mapping out the subdomain with the subscriber's contact information, and if the info changes regularly, you could charge a monthly maintenance fee. However, I do see that the subscriber is most likely to want to control his/her own contact info.

I could do the same thing for here.tel (which I envision as a people directory), but with full names, something like,

JohnSmith.here[.]tel redirecting to JohnSimth123[.]tel

John-Smith.here[.]tel redirecting to John-Simth123[.]tel​

As Owen Frager says,

"Always thinking."

And always keeping your ears open to what other people are saying, even if you don't agree.

Rep for morganga.

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It could indeed be very lucrative - and not just for peoples names either. I hope Justin will clarify whether it's possible to sell/lease sub-domains and have them redirect to other .tel's, but I think this is exactly what the clause in the AUP was designed to prevent against (Telnic doesn't want you competing with them).

 

[steveteva]

It could indeed be very lucrative - and not just for peoples names either. I hope Justin will clarify whether it's possible to sell/lease sub-domains and have them redirect to other .tel's, but I think this is exactly what the clause in the AUP was designed to prevent against (Telnic doesn't want you competing with them).

I don't think it's lucrative for people names.
If my name was John Smith why sould I bother pay to get listed on Smith.John.tel when I can get JohnSmith.tel or .mobi or .me...

Also personnaly I would'nt want to have my contact informations viewable to public (specially celebrities) but privacy. Because never knows SPAM, SCAM....

But For business it's lucrative.

 

[Ms Domainer]

5. NAPTR records can point to other NAPTR records. So yes, what you described would be possible, but in violation of Telnic's AUP - you're prohibited from delegating control over sub-domains to third parties. You could however run a directory listing for Smiths - you just couldn't give people their own sub-domain. At least that's how I understand it.

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Your subscriber could reg any .tel (for example, JohnSmith123xyz[.]tel), thus controlling his personal info on his own card. You then rent a link on the JohnSmith.here[.]tel or John.Smith[.tel] subdomain card, which will offer a REDIRECT link to the subscriber's card.

You retain complete control over your subdomain, and the subscriber retains control over his/her info on his/her own .tel (which he or she regs him/herself), thus in complete compliance with TOS.

Poor John Smith may also have opportunities to rent space on NYC.tel, OR on the two-letter state .tels, which have been reserved at the request of ICANN, which, I suspect, will have such applications.

I'm not sure how far back you are allowed to go with subdomains or even if it would be financially sensible, but it would be possible to have a sub-sub-sub domain like this:

NY.NYC.John.Smith[.]tel redirecting to a subscriber's .tel or webpage.

NY.NYC.Smith.John[.]tel redirecting to a subscriber's .tel or webpage.​

From a Search engine perspective, these terms make perfect organic sense.

From a directory standpoint (second level domain first), for the John[.]tel domain, the search would look like this:

John, Smith, NYC, NY

or

John + Smith + NYC + NY​

In addition, the person owning, say, Smith[.]tel could set up a .com version, linked from the .tel card, something like SmithTel[dot]com (although it wouldn't have to be that exact domain) and place the subscriber's link here as well. Down the road, the dot-com could be developed into a user/subscriber-generated site, for example,

John.SmithTel[dot]com

The subscriber could blog from this subdomain or simply elaborate on his personal info.

One could develop some niche .tels here, with an enthusiastic subscriber base and a fantastic income stream.

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I don't think it's lucrative for people names.
If my name was John Smith why sould I bother pay to get listed on Smith.John.tel when I can get JohnSmith.tel or .mobi or .me...

Also personnaly I would'nt want to have my contact informations viewable to public (specially celebrities) but privacy. Because never knows SPAM, SCAM....

But For business it's lucrative.

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All major extensions: taken

JohnSmith.mobi: taken

JohnSmith.tv: taken

JohnSmith.me: taken

JohnSmith.tel: taken

For less common names, yes, why not just get your own .tel?

But for common names, like John and Smith, niche directories could be quite lucrative.

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Regarding the leasing and sub domaining rules, does that mean I cannot even run a Norris directory and lease to chuck, his own name back to him, even though I may be in control of his details myself? So if I owned and controlled chuck.norris.tel, he couldnt get the benefit of that at all in any way? Would be great for justin to clarify, unless it's crystal clear already (is it?). Not that Id be ringing up chuck for a chinwag any tim I'd like- god knows it would be cool to have his private number all the same. If directories were possible at all, then I could run celebrity.tel (If I owned it) and just sign up some stars like some of my fav stars like: alpacino.celebrity.tel, johnneydepp.celebrity.tel or even (heaven forbid , but just for a laugh....davidhasselhoff.celebrity.tel (and no, Im not gay), but the limits with this seem endless if at all possible :imho: :hehe:

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Say you owned Norris[.]tel, you would only set up Chuck.Norris[.]tel IF he (or another Chuck Norris) subscribed to the card. Wouldn't setting up an unauthorized subdomain in someone else's name be a form of name squatting?

I would think you would have to be careful here not to use subdomains to cybersquat.

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[phase111]

Say you owned Norris[.]tel, you would only set up Chuck.Norris[.]tel IF he (or another Chuck Norris) subscribed to the card. Wouldn't setting up an unauthorized subdomain in someone else's name be a form of name squatting?

I would think you would have to be careful here not to use subdomains to cybersquat.

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Absolutely, would be considered cybersquating and would be no different to taking chucknorris.tel if your name wasnt Chuck Norris (which is a shame mine isnt because it has a nice ring to it and I could get teased non stop, yay)... and I was only making up .celebrity.tel as an example of how just about any name could be used as a directory, so I meant it as a bit of a joke. But I can see real potential for someone who had a good last name like Smith, to make decent profits from such a directory, even last name firstname as you suggested could work eventually... but this is all providing we can do it, I hope Justin can confirm.
:gl:
I was also real impressed to see Jamarie getting optimised like that to # 3 0r 4 position with the .tel when there are over 500,000 others on google. This goes to show the possibilities once links and keywords etc are run through it..amazing stuff and I think all the possibilites for this domain have yet to be appreciated by domainers in general.. arent we the lucky few to spot the potential?!..although naysayers would disagree. Just thought of a great .com for that too... www.telnaysayers.com... lol :p

 

[TechZone]

I just grabbed another. Advice/opinions??

Labor.tel

 

[saucey]

I just grabbed another. Advice/opinions??

Labor.tel

Might be ok in the U.S., there is some potential there IMO... but the rest of the english speaking world spells it Labour

 

[plaggypig]

Here's another idea that came to me: .tel could become a great fundraising tool for political parties - it would offer such a convenient way for people to make impulse donations, via premium sms for small amounts, with leads to a web based form for larger amounts. Obviously it could also be a great way for them to organise campaigns at the local level, connecting the electorate with their local volunteers. Will the story of 2012 be Obama.tel?

 

[morganga]

OK, so I checked the availability of the top 100 surnames in the US
http://names.mongabay.com/most_common_surnames.htm

and there's only a handful still available

walker.tel was by far the most populous surname still available, coming in at number 25 with 544,653 people. Sorry guys, couldn't resist snapping that one up.

The others I found that are still available at the time of writing are:
hill,carter,turner,phillips,collins,stewart,morris,cook
(there could be a few others that I've missed)

The list of popular Male & Female first names on that site was interesting too. There's far less deviation from the norm when parents get to choose the names of their offspring! For example gary.tel came in at number 26 with 948,325 people

Gary

 

[morganga]

Good personal .tel domain names will be more exclusive than good .com domains. Who's going to call their child Moonpig just because moonpig.tel was available to hand reg? :D

 

[steveteva]

I'm not sure if your question is regarding websites designed to support the .tel community, or to use .com variations as an alternative point of entry to the .tel?

I guess that's something people have needed to do for other TLDs in the past, but I really don't think it's necessary for .tel - it could even be counter-productive. Once a user has seen a .tel page then in future they'll remember what it means.. if you send users through to a .tel via a .com then you'll just undermine their attempts at understanding it and confuse them unnecessarily.

I don't really agree with you. It's way better to secure for $9.00 a xxxtel.com rather than having cybersquatting asking you for thousands to get it. Also it will take long long time before people get memory of dot tel tld, this is real for most internet users, they always uses .com
I remember my customers in the past when I visit them and tell them to go on my website for more infos xxxxx.info and each time they type xxxxxinfo.com landing on a page they were surprise to see (This domain name is for sale....) I've learned something. Now for $9.00 (or less, reg fee) you can get the dot com.

Look at www.pizzatel.com or www.flowertel.com and many others, they as for thousand.

 

[plaggypig]

I don't really agree with you. It's way better to secure for $9.00 a xxxtel.com rather than having cybersquatting asking you for thousands to get it. Also it will take long long time before people get memory of dot tel tld, this is real for most internet users, they always uses .com
I remember my customers in the past when I visit them and tell them to go on my website for more infos xxxxx.info and each time they type xxxxxinfo.com landing on a page they were surprise to see (This domain name is for sale....) I've learned something. Now for $9.00 (or less, reg fee) you can get the dot com.

Look at www.pizzatel.com or www.flowertel.com and many others, they as for thousand.

I can understand why Yahoo owns delicious.com, because for some people typing in del.icio.us is a nightmare, and likewise for last.fm to own lastfm.com, but why would somebody mistakenly visit flowerstel.com? I don't get it. I won't be bothering with name+tel.com equivalents for mine.. I think you're being a bit too paranoid

 

[steveteva]

I've check for first name of my son and was surprise to see that it was available since it's really common and I sure it won't be available at general. My son will soon have 7 years old and I want to buy it ($300/ 3years) for his birthday coming in march. He won't be able to use it but in 3 years he will be 10 and if he keep it all his life he could have a unique way to get a domain name for infos when he becomes adult.

Should I register or not? because it's $300.00 I m hesitating.

 

[tvdotcoms]

tel doesnot make much sense to me.....i dont know why??

 

[MicroGuy]

Should I register or not?

Not. Take the $300 and buy some silver coins.

 

[Ms Domainer]

I've check for first name of my son and was surprise to see that it was available since it's really common and I sure it won't be available at general. My son will soon have 7 years old and I want to buy it ($300/ 3years) for his birthday coming in march. He won't be able to use it but in 3 years he will be 10 and if he keep it all his life he could have a unique way to get a domain name for infos when he becomes adult.

Should I register or not? because it's $300.00 I m hesitating.

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That's a tough one. If it's a common name in a large part of the world, you might want to consider regging it.

However, if it's popular in a small geographical area, you might want to wait until General Availability. Even then, it might be gone.

Go on the various name lists, such as

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_popular_given_names

And see where the name ranks.

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[GF]

I've check for first name of my son and was surprise to see that it was available since it's really common and I sure it won't be available at general. My son will soon have 7 years old and I want to buy it ($300/ 3years) for his birthday coming in march. He won't be able to use it but in 3 years he will be 10 and if he keep it all his life he could have a unique way to get a domain name for infos when he becomes adult.

Should I register or not? because it's $300.00 I m hesitating.

Don't do it. Only get it if you have money to burn.

 

[phase111]

Don't do it. Only get it if you have money to burn.

I guess this s the risky part of .tel just now. Alsthough i predict mass appeal for this at some time, the question is when. Business will be most likely to start to benefit from .tel and the general public after that. I got a couple common names inc my own. The other name was just for a punt that someone will want to pay more for it because of the vanity factor as ms domainer says. if it's a really good popular first name, I might grab it esp. if my son had that name, , you'd want to be sure it's popular enough for someone to want to register within landrush and this can be a tough call.