The .TEL Discussion Thread

[brendan52190]

Hi

For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?

 

[Steven]

Okay. In keeping to the spirit of the web and relevant hyperlinks, please read my blog entries from last may, specifically:

Meanings of TLDs

.tel record types

For those who need a shortcut, here's the elevator explanation (but please read the above posts when you can):

The DNS is an awesome distributed database. Traditional TLDs mostly use it to map computer names to IP addresses. In complete contrast, .tel uses the DNS as an actual database and stores directly in it contact info, keywords and location info.

plaggypig's above quoting of Justin's DNS zone clearly shows that Justin's info IS IN THE DNS. You don't need to go anywhere else to get it, it's right there for you, in perfect structure. No need to create complicated parsers with artificial intelligence.

The web proxy is just a wrapper to allow people using browsers to see this data.

I don't understand.
All websites need a server where the info is stored.

Okay - imagine the A record didn't exist, imagine the web proxy page that you view through your web browser didn't exist. No website. Forget the web completely!

Now, all of the .tel applications and services that you'll be using to view records would still work, because they pull their data from DNS, not the web. The web doesn't matter (except for the API, that is used to update information).

Telnic (Henri) kindly worked his butt off and created a few applications, but anybody can create new ones (and services), and plenty are on the way.

Technically, our info in the server will still exist without the web.
There are variety of ways to parse certain files out.

Any non-telster tech savvy people want to contribute?
I'll do a bit more research on how web works and post later when I have time.

 

[MicroGuy]

Found an alternative of dot tel : dot MP
-Free (easy management) or $20.00 year for full management
-No DNS, redirect, webproxy hassles
-Great Panel Management (blog, contacts, map...)

.tel(3 letter), .mobi(4 letter)..... I prefer .MP(2 letter) MP=MyProfile?

Nice find. Take a look at: http://justin.mp/

 

[FreakySteve]

Found an alternative of dot tel : dot MP
-Free (easy management) or $20.00 year for full management
-No DNS, redirect, webproxy hassles
-Great Panel Management (blog, contacts, map...)

.tel(3 letter), .mobi(4 letter)..... I prefer .MP(2 letter) MP=MyProfile?

This was only a question of time. Nice job, very fast.

So this is to say that I can buy any .MP I want right now or did I miss the auction? Or is it "chi.mp" that you are selling (chi.mp=6 letters)?

Hmmm "tel/telster" or "chimp/chimpster", I wonder which I would rather be?

Hey, if it's free, can I get a beta code?

Can I link to my .tel from my chi.mp account?

 

[Jeff]

wat?

You should now have the net proceeds (almost) ... to purchase two landrush highly brandable .TEL's, IMHO. :talk: :lala:

.tel(3 letter), .mobi(4 letter)..... I prefer .MP(2 letter) MP=MyProfile?

Depending on your own research and specific needs ... stick with the short, very easily memorable, intuitive ... and highly brandable .TEL, IMHO. :yell:
-Jeff

 

[hawkeye]

...Depending on your own research and specific needs ... stick with the short, very easily memorable, intuitive ... and highly brandable .TEL, IMHO. :yell:
-Jeff

So, to clarify things for others here, You don't 'invest in', or 'own' any of these .tel domains, and yet you 'encourage' others to, because you feel, and thus keep promoting, that it's 'highly brandable??? Sounds like some great(?) advice for 'others' and 'their' money!

You go girl!

 

[steveteva]

Found an alternative of dot tel : dot MP
-Free (easy management) or $20.00 year for full management
-No DNS, redirect, webproxy hassles
-Great Panel Management (blog, contacts, map...)

.tel(3 letter), .mobi(4 letter)..... I prefer .MP(2 letter) MP=MyProfile?

This was only a question of time. Nice job, very fast.

So this is to say that I can buy any .MP I want right now or did I miss the auction? Or is it "chi.mp" that you are selling (chi.mp=6 letters)?

Hmmm "tel/telster" or "chimp/chimpster", I wonder which I would rather be?

Hey, if it's free, can I get a beta code?

Can I link to my .tel from my chi.mp account?

It's not available to public yet but for Beta testers and $20 is for beta testers too so you can't buy yet. Also read their agreements:

"Good Faith Application: You represent, warrant and certify that you are registering your .MP Domain Name in good faith and that you have not registered or acquired your .MP Domain Name for the purpose of:

selling, renting, or otherwise transferring your .MP Domain Name to the rightful owner of the trademark or service mark from which your .MP Domain Name was derived for valuable consideration in excess of your documented out-of-pocket costs directly related to your .MP Domain Name, or;

selling your .MP Domain Name to a competitor of the rightful owner of the trademark or service mark, or;

preventing the rightful owner of the trademark or service mark from reflecting the mark in a corresponding domain name, or;

disrupting the business of a competitor, or;

using your .MP Domain Name in an intentional attempt to attract, for commercial gain or otherwise, Visitors to your web site, by creating a likelihood of confusion with a trademark or service mark of Saipan DataCom or a third party as to the ownership, source, sponsorship, affiliation, or location of a product or service on your web site."

So this will not get in Domain market or in namepros discussion.
I own MOZART .MP for myself as an end user and will not sell it even if I know that similar domain like MOZART.EU is for sale for $170 000 by a sedo seller, my MP would just be reg fee (when will be public registration)
So forget about making money out of a .MP

 

[mjnels]

You should now have the net proceeds (almost) ... to purchase two landrush highly brandable .TEL's, IMHO. :talk: :lala:

im buying beer.

 

[Ms Domainer]

im buying beer.

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Well, you know the old saying about beer.

"You don't buy beer; you just rent it."



Come to think of it, maybe the same dictum applies to domains as well.

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[Tribulatio]

How fast do your .tel upload in the browser, or on your iPhone?
I am right now attending a seminar in Edinburgh, and I tested my only resolving .tel domain name (registered with Name.com) from my hotel room, over the pretty fast wireless system.
The page does not open very fast - not as fast as I would expect such a light page to open. On the other hand, once it is opened, navigation inside the .tel domain name is fast.
Just wondered what others' experiences have been.

 

[FreakySteve]

re: .mp

It's not available to public yet but for Beta testers and $20 is for beta testers too so you can't buy yet. Also read their agreements:

"Good Faith Application: You represent, warrant and certify that you are registering your .MP Domain Name in good faith and that you have not registered or acquired your .MP Domain Name for the purpose of:

selling, renting, or otherwise transferring your .MP Domain Name to the rightful owner of the trademark or service mark from which your .MP Domain Name was derived for valuable consideration in excess of your documented out-of-pocket costs directly related to your .MP Domain Name, or;

selling your .MP Domain Name to a competitor of the rightful owner of the trademark or service mark, or;

preventing the rightful owner of the trademark or service mark from reflecting the mark in a corresponding domain name, or;

disrupting the business of a competitor, or;

using your .MP Domain Name in an intentional attempt to attract, for commercial gain or otherwise, Visitors to your web site, by creating a likelihood of confusion with a trademark or service mark of Saipan DataCom or a third party as to the ownership, source, sponsorship, affiliation, or location of a product or service on your web site."

Well the trademark side is standard for all domains and they've further restricted it for aftermarket selling. :lala:

Based on the limitations for personal use, it sounds like .tel is a lot more diverse.

.mp is based on OpenID technology which is technologically different from .tel. From what I can tell .mp/OpenID does not use the DNS as a data store but relies on HTTP requests.

And I can work on my awesome dot-tel right now :D

 

[Kate]

Any non-telster tech savvy people want to contribute?
I'll do a bit more research on how web works and post later when I have time.

The idea is that the standard 'template' .tel webpage is just a way of retrieving and displaying the information from the DNS. Think of it as an interface.
Web browsers and mail servers extract records from the DNS too but it all takes place behind the scenes.

Earlier I mentioned the lack of search feature, which can be critical if a lot of contact records are stored in the DNS.
In theory you could build a site that would grab the records, sort them etc according to your criteria but you need to extract the whole data from the DNS first, which is not efficient at all :gl:
Now the whole concept is not new, you can also use the DNS records of your .com domains to store random data - look at TXT records.

 

[siga]

Tribulatio, firstly welcome to edinburgh glad the weathers reasonable for you.

I've been testing a few .tels today from both pc and a s60 device they are not loading up as quickly as I thought they had before. Wondering if this proxy server is causing it? On the s60 device it is as slow as a normal page but I'm guessing there is still some optimisation for such devices to come.

I appreciate your busy but Henry do you have any timelines you could advise on please?

Regarding .mp there is another thread for these discussions. If anyone needs to test it pm me with your email. However I believe it is completely different firstly it is a cc tld such as .me .tv or .ws where as .tel is a Gtld which is sponsored such as .info .biz .pro or even as the naysayers may say .aero etc etc.


My understanding of the DNS is hardly none at all. But I'd like to know is it possible to link key info with unique values to make multiple paths to the same info. Ie for england.tel could you get plumber.essex.england.tel as well as essex.plumber.services.england.tel just by searching for plumber through services rather than essex. Or does this require duplicate entry. Rather than like a database.

 

[plaggypig]

Earlier I mentioned the lack of search feature, which can be critical if a lot of contact records are stored in the DNS.

I'm sure Telnic would consider adding a search feature to the web interface for the next release, but there's nothing to stop developers from incorporating search into their own services and applications now.

In theory you could build a site that would grab the records, sort them etc according to your criteria but you need to extract the whole data from the DNS first, which is not efficient at all :gl:

Huh? Pulling data from DNS is MUCH more efficient than going across the web for it! If you don't believe me then I'd be happy to post some benchmarks to prove you wrong. If you mean that you'd have to traverse all of the CNAME's to build an index of zone then that is true, and obviously you'd want to refresh the index fairly frequently, but this is an order of magnitude easier than maintaining an index of the whole web, and I really don't understand what it is you're trying to suggest?

 

[Kate]

Huh? Pulling data from DNS is MUCH more efficient than going across the web for it! If you don't believe me then I'd be happy to post some benchmarks to prove you wrong. If you mean that you'd have to traverse all of the CNAME's to build an index of zone then that is true, and obviously you'd want to refresh the index fairly frequently, but this is an order of magnitude easier than maintaining an index of the whole web, and I really don't understand what it is you're trying to suggest?

When you do a SQL query against a database, you don't have to pull the whole data, filtering takes place on the server. If you see what I mean.
If you decide to store a lot of data in the DNS the issue of retrieval is paramount.

 

[plaggypig]

When you do a SQL query against a database, you don't have to pull the whole data, filtering takes place on the server. If you see what I mean.
If you decide to store a lot of data in the DNS the issue of retrieval is paramount.

You wouldn't be doing AXFR (entire zone) transfers, but instead traversing the NAPTR records (folders). Obviously you could load up a "folder" with millions of records and it'd take a few seconds to transfer (any sane indexer would watch out for abuse), but the same could be said of anything. DNS records each have their own TTL, and you can obviously filter record types with your queries. I'm afraid I don't really understand your concern.

 

[Ms Domainer]

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Have any of you pre-booked for GA?

Of course, I wouldn't expect anyone to reveal anything, but the premiums are going fast, especially for GA.

A lot of premiums are just plain gone.

I figure that if I get 25% of my pre-bookings, I'll do well--even 10% would be great. At this point, it's a numbers game.

To get a one-word high-performing term for about $20.00 would be a bargain.

If I get most of them, well, I have plans to set up an aftermarket site anyway.

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[FreakySteve]

I had one, but it went a week ago.

Figured I would just wait for GA to then see how things go and in the meantime focus on what I've got.

Aftermarket site sounds great :kickass:

 

[MicroGuy]

This news regarding the new proxy-shaft issue is tragic.

Hopefully, the water-boarded 'A' records will be released by their captors and Telster Freedom™ will ring (:talk and resolve as the DNS Gods intended. (:ghost(:ghost(:ghost

 

[Jeff]

im buying beer.

^ I'll send you some NP$'s, friend! :music:

Back to the highly brandable .TEL ... :talk:
-Jeff

 

[mjnels]

^ I'll send you some NP$'s, friend! :music:

Back to the highly brandable .TEL ... :talk:
-Jeff

ok.. i already spent your first 20 $NP donation on 1/4 a bottle of Old Rasputin Russian Imperial Stout

next donation will go towards some DogFish Head 90 Minute IPA