The .TEL Discussion Thread

[brendan52190]

Hi

For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?

 

[ginggang]

Although the highly brandable .TEL essentially makes the very narrow "dot Mobey" extension obsolete (of course, it's always been unnecessary!) - particularly from it being a short, easily memorable, and branding persepctive ... I, too, think we should leave that (".MOBI) forum open for their small niche, and vanity discussions IMHO. :D

-Jeff

In your opinion :hehe: I won't rise to it....

 

[Jeff]

Onward and upward, IMHO. :yell: :talk:

-Jeff

 

[Ms Domainer]

There is IP address

VIP.tel = 195.253.3.235

It wouldn't make any sense if it didn't.

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http://www.telnic.org/brochures/top10/Top10ReasonsToBuy.pdf

see pages 5-6.

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[Steven]

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http://www.telnic.org/brochures/top10/Top10ReasonsToBuy.pdf

see pages 5-6.

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Hmmm Thanks
I just read it.

It's still a website (with restrictions).
Maybe it's saying that it's not "rerouted" or using A record to go to a website's IP, but it's still using DNS and goes to an IP address that way.
I don't know why they've written about the DNS like that...
It even confused me.

Correct me if I'm wrong...

 

[FreakySteve]

i do not mean this as an insult, but think about what you are saying... you are drinking a bit too much of the kool-aid.

No insult taken.
Everyone keeps comparing .tel functionality to that of web pages and other web-based interactions.

PS: None of the above matters when using native apps hitting the DNS directly.

This is the foundation for non-web-browser based activity. Eliminating the dependency on web browsers for accessing information is a move towards universal access and dot-tel easily enables this. :imho:

 

[Steven]

No insult taken.
Everyone keeps comparing .tel functionality to that of web pages and other web-based interactions.
This is the foundation for non-web-browser based activity. Eliminating the dependency on web browsers for accessing information is a move towards universal access and dot-tel easily enables this. :imho:

How do you plan on accessing a .tel website without a web browser?

 

[plaggypig]

Of course .tel domains have an IP address (an "A record"), the purpose of which is to direct your web browser to the web proxy page. Any domain name that you can use to reach a web site must resolve to an IP address, just as a postcard you send through the mail must at least have some address information, otherwise the post office won't know where to route it.

Once your browser has resolved the IP address from your .tel domain, it hits the web proxy, the TelHosting platform then pulls down the other .tel DNS records from your .tel domain and builds a pretty web page for you.

Let me illustrate - here is justin.tel's DNS zone that I just got using a UNIX command line tool called "dig":

;; Truncated, retrying in TCP mode.

; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>> @n0.cth.dns.nic.tel justin.tel ANY
; (1 server found)
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 52197
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 18, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;justin.tel. IN ANY

;; ANSWER SECTION:
justin.tel. 3600 IN SOA d0.cth.dns.nic.tel. cth-support.support.nic.tel. 84 10800 3600 2592000 600
justin.tel. 86400 IN A 194.77.54.2
justin.tel. 3600 IN NS n0.cth.dns.nic.tel.
justin.tel. 3600 IN NS a0.cth.dns.nic.tel.
justin.tel. 3600 IN NS s0.cth.dns.nic.tel.
justin.tel. 3600 IN NS d0.cth.dns.nic.tel.
justin.tel. 3600 IN NS t0.cth.dns.nic.tel.
justin.tel. 60 IN TXT ".tsm" "1" "pddx" "0"
justin.tel. 60 IN TXT "Log in to request my private contact information or email me through WikiWorldBook - I'm not in work mode at the moment"
justin.tel. 60 IN TXT ".tkw" "1" "ft" "Not Moody Blues"
justin.tel. 60 IN TXT ".tkw" "1" "ft" "Retrospective Futurologist"
justin.tel. 60 IN TXT ".tkw" "1" "hi" "music, arts, futurology, comedy, film, science fiction"
justin.tel. 60 IN TXT ".tkw" "1" "bpa" "Telnic" "a1" "37 Percy Street" "tc" "London" "pc" "W1T 2DJ" "c" "United Kingdom"
justin.tel. 60 IN LOC 51 31 6.416 N 0 8 2.868 W 0.00m 10m 2m 2m
justin.tel. 60 IN NAPTR 100 105 "u" "E2U+web:http+x-work" "!^.*$!http://www.telnic.org/!" .
justin.tel. 60 IN NAPTR 100 107 "u" "E2U+web:http+x-lbl:WikiWorldBook" "!^.*$!http://wikiworldbook.com/profile-5596-Justin-K-Hayward+!" .
justin.tel. 60 IN NAPTR 100 109 "u" "E2U+web:http+x-lbl:Twitter+x-work" "!^.*$!http://twitter.com/justinhayward+!" .
justin.tel. 60 IN NAPTR 100 103 "u" "E2U+email:mailto+x-work" "!^.*$!mailto:[email protected]!" .

;; Query time: 254 msec
;; SERVER: 64.211.81.116#53(64.211.81.116)
;; WHEN: Wed Mar 11 19:21:18 2009
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 989

It might look a bit scary to some of you, but it's very simple. DNS servers store records, and answer questions about them - in this example, I just asked for a list of every record. Your web browser just asks for the A record. SMTP (e-mail) servers would ask for MX (mail exchange) records, etc.

These records are all structured in predictable ways that make it easy for other computers to understand. As you can see, justin.tel's A record is 194.77.54.2 - that's Telnic's web server. That's where you go to get your web proxy page served up.

If you have any questions then just ask and I'll do my best.

 

[buyauthority]

I just want to know when is the first .TEL auction so I can buy my house, a new car and buy more domain names.

 

[Ms Domainer]

Hmmm Thanks
I just read it.

It's still a website (with restrictions).
Maybe it's saying that it's not "rerouted" or using A record to go to a website's IP, but it's still using DNS and goes to an IP address that way.
I don't know why they've written about the DNS like that...
It even confused me.

Correct me if I'm wrong...

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Yeah, I was a bit confused too, but then I'm not all that technologically savvy.

I wonder if the official IP will be the same for all .tel addresses, meaning that all .tels are routed through the same set of Telnic servers. In other words, perhaps everything is routed through Telnic's IP number(s)?

Anyway, that's how I read it (though I could very well be wrong here).

Maybe Henri could clarify here.

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[Steven]

Of course .tel domains have an IP address (an "A record"), the purpose of which is to direct your web browser to the web proxy page. Any domain name that you can use to reach a web site must resolve to an IP address, just as a postcard you send through the mail must at least have some address information, otherwise the postman won't know where to send it.

Once your browser has resolved the IP address from your .tel domain, it hits the web proxy, the TelHosting platform then pulls down the other .tel DNS records from your .tel domain and builds a pretty web page for you.

Let me illustrate - here is justin.tel's DNS zone that I just got using a UNIX command line tool called "dig":
It might look a bit scary to some of you, but it's very simple. There are a bunch of records (SOA, A, NS, TXT, LOC, NAPTR) that all contain different pieces of information, structured in predictable ways that make it easy for other computers to understand. As you can see, the A record is 194.77.54.2 - that's Telnic's web server. That's where you go to get your web proxy page served up.

You can also store MX (mail exchange) records (by requesting so from your registrar) so that you can receive email through your .tel domain.

If you have any questions then just ask and I'll do my best.

Then it's a website ... like a parking website.

Only downside being... you don't have any control over your name servers and so on.

 

[plaggypig]

I wonder if the official IP will be the same for all .tel addresses, meaning that all .tels are routed through the same set of Telnic servers. In other words, perhaps everything is routed through Telnic's IP number(s)?

Well each TelHosting provider will have their own IP address(es) that will go in the A record, so it depends upon which provider you use.

Maybe Henri/Justin can clear this up - 1) whether I must use my own registrar if they provide TelHosting, 2) whether I have the choice between them and Telnic, 3) whether I can use any TelHosting provider, irrespective of who my domain registrar is, or 4) whether I'd be required to actually transfer the domain between registrars in order to change TelHosting provider?

 

[FreakySteve]

How do you plan on accessing a .tel website without a web browser?

If you want to access a dot-tel directory from a web browser, you can, and it will display a web page for you.

However, dot-tel is not about "web pages" since there is no "web site" or "web server" for that matter.

Web browsers may be a common way to access dot-tel domains now, but things are changing.

The my.tel application allows you to access your dot-tel without using a web browser.
I don't think I need to provide a review on how dot-tel data can be retrieved.

The glass is only half full, telsters will finish filling it up

 

[Steven]

If you want to access a dot-tel directory from a web browser, you can, and it will display a web page for you.

However, dot-tel is not about "web pages" since there is no "web site" or "web server" for that matter.

Web browsers may be a common way to access dot-tel domains now, but things are changing.

The my.tel application allows you to access your dot-tel without using a web browser.
I don't think I need to provide a review on how dot-tel data can be retrived.

The glass is only half full, telsters will finish filling it up

Sorry, but how do you view a .tel website without a browser?
I think you need to provide a review on how dot-tel data can be retrieved.
Also, I don't know which .tel application is being talked about (more transparency?), but whatever it is, it's still connecting to the web (probably scripted so that it only goes to .tel extension).


Guys... seriously

is it just me? am I missing something here?

Are .tel sites connected to mysterious (& revolutionary?) internet 2 that nobody has heard about?

 

[plaggypig]

Sorry, but how do you view a .tel website without a browser?
I think you need to provide a review on how dot-tel data can be retrieved.
Also, I don't know which .tel application is being talked about (more transparency?), but whatever it is, it's still connecting to the web (probably scripted so that it only goes to .tel extension).


Guys... seriously

is it just me? am I missing something here?

Are .tel sites connected to mysterious (& revolutionary?) internet 2 that nobody has heard about?

Look at my previous post regarding DNS - that should take some of the mystery out of it for you Client applications won't have much at all to do with the web - they'll just pull records straight from the DNS.. clean, quick, and easy.

 

[Steven]

Look at my previous post regarding DNS - that should take some of the mystery out of it for you Client applications won't have much at all to do with the web - they'll just pull records straight from the DNS.. clean, quick, and easy.

Hi plaggypig,

I have looked at it, and my conclusion is the same.
It's a website.

 

[Ms Domainer]

Dotster Asleep?

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Anyone else have their .tels regged at Dotster?

Do you have any info as to when Dotster expects to go live?

To be honest, I think Dotster is asleep at the helm because when I asked support about when they expect to go live, I got this standard message:

The domains are now in your account. You will need to log into your account and point the domains to the correct servers.

WTF?

My answer:

These are .tel domains, which will operate differently from other TLDs; your registrar is supposed to be working with Telnic.org to work on a panel from which users will directly imput their contact information.

.Tel users will NOT have direct access to a DNS panel. So please refer my question to someone at Dotster who is actually working with the .tel platform.

So, again, my question is: "When is .tel supposed to go 'live' at Dotster?"

Thank you for your prompt answer to my query.

Sheessh!

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[hasseily]

Okay. In keeping to the spirit of the web and relevant hyperlinks, please read my blog entries from last may, specifically:

Meanings of TLDs

.tel record types

For those who need a shortcut, here's the elevator explanation (but please read the above posts when you can):

The DNS is an awesome distributed database. Traditional TLDs mostly use it to map computer names to IP addresses. In complete contrast, .tel uses the DNS as an actual database and stores directly in it contact info, keywords and location info.

plaggypig's above quoting of Justin's DNS zone clearly shows that Justin's info IS IN THE DNS. You don't need to go anywhere else to get it, it's right there for you, in perfect structure. No need to create complicated parsers with artificial intelligence.

The web proxy is just a wrapper to allow people using browsers to see this data.

 

[plaggypig]

Hi plaggypig,

I have looked at it, and my conclusion is the same.
It's a website.

Okay - imagine the A record didn't exist, imagine the web proxy page that you view through your web browser didn't exist. No website. Forget the web completely!

Now, all of the .tel applications and services that you'll be using to view records would still work, because they pull their data from DNS, not the web. The web doesn't matter (except for the API, that is used to create/update/delete contact information / manage privacy).

Telnic (Henri) kindly worked his butt off and created a few applications, but anybody can create new ones (and services), and plenty are on the way.

 

[steveteva]

If you want to access a dot-tel directory from a web browser, you can, and it will display a web page for you.

However, dot-tel is not about "web pages" since there is no "web site" or "web server" for that matter.

Web browsers may be a common way to access dot-tel domains now, but things are changing.

The my.tel application allows you to access your dot-tel without using a web browser.
I don't think I need to provide a review on how dot-tel data can be retrived.

The glass is only half full, telsters will finish filling it up

Sorry, but how do you view a .tel website without a browser?
I think you need to provide a review on how dot-tel data can be retrieved.
Also, I don't know which .tel application is being talked about (more transparency?), but whatever it is, it's still connecting to the web (probably scripted so that it only goes to .tel extension).


Guys... seriously

is it just me? am I missing something here?

Are .tel sites connected to mysterious (& revolutionary?) internet 2 that nobody has heard about?

Found an alternative of dot tel : dot MP
-Free (easy management) or $20.00 year for full management
-No DNS, redirect, webproxy hassles
-Great Panel Management (blog, contacts, map...)

.tel(3 letter), .mobi(4 letter)..... I prefer .MP(2 letter) MP=MyProfile?

 

[mjnels]

wat?