The religious discussion thread

[Archangel]

This thread was created to bring a local new story to light, which can be viewed below:

JACKSON, Ohio (AP) — An Ohio school district decided Tuesday night to keep a portrait of Jesus hanging in the school where it's been 65 years, denying a federal lawsuit's claim the portrait's display unconstitutionally promotes religion in a public school.

The Jackson City Schools board offered a constitutional justification of its own in voting 4-0 to keep the portrait up in its middle school, saying it must protect students' free speech rights. The vote drew cheers and applause from the dozens of people gathered in the elementary school gymnasium.

Read all of it here: http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-school-b...xzBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0A1Rlc3RfQUZD;_ylv=3

I posted his here @ NP to see what ppl had to say on the issue. As it turns out, this sparked many debates. I've considered closing this thread but after multiple suggestions, I decided to keep it open. Feel free to join in the topics but per forum rules, please refrain from obscene, threatening, rude, or insulting posts.

 

[iowadawg]

Answer this:
"I'm curious, what percentage of Christians do you think are just good decent, people? Do you think decent Christians exist, or are they all just evil in your mind? Looking for a number."

Myself, I have no doubt that a large percentage of muslims are just like me and other christians.
Want a place to live, food on the table, some entertainment now and again.

But really, if you check you will find that there is a small faction that make life rough for all.
And if you think that Christians are not being killed, not being tortured, etc by muslims, you do have your head up your ass.

 

[GILSAN]

GILSAN has nothing left in his arsenal, as everyone showed him to be riddled with errors, so he's rehashing old arguments (ones that failed when he 1st made them lol) and is trying to accuse us of being 'brainwashed' (though he himself is trying to brainwash us. Irony?) & ends his refutes with propaganda declaring that he's right, we're all wrong, and that's it. Yeah, I don't understand his failed logic, either, though I nevertheless welcome it.

I don't having nothing in my arsenal? :lol: Hey if it wasn't for my arsenal this thread wouldn't have gone beyond 20-30 posts, you know why? Because when you so arrogantly and disrespectfully criticized the fact that a picture of Jesus that had been hanging in an Ohio school for 65 years, was offensive to you and most of the other brainwashed lefties who also agreed with you.

If it hadn't been for mostly me and 1 or 2 others this thread would have died off a long time ago, because everyone would have agreed with you till everyone simply fell :zzz:.

Amazing that a Pseudo-Christian like yourself got so offended by a 65 year old picture of Jesus but you obviously have no problems that Gay lifestyles are being taught in Public schools.

Homosexuals brainwashing our children in elementary schools
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZIwZ2cljq4"]Homosexuals brainwashing our children in elementary schools (Part 1 of 2) - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8sFJip7HHo"]California Schools Teaching Children Gay Tolerance - YouTube[/ame]

Believe me, I still have a lot of armor left in my arsenal and I haven't even started with the heavy artillery. You don't want to be around when that comes around :D

 

[JB Lions]

Your arsenal is composed of blanks, winners like this:

"Their goal is to have legal sex with very young boys."

Loony bin type stuff.

 

[enlytend]

That's what he says. Read more: http://www.answering-islam.org/Autho...homosexual.htm

Pffft. So you reference a web site by a person/persons who admits they're hoping to convert Muslims and won't state their own qualifications?

And even he mentions that there are a lot of different interpretations of what he cites. Documents translated from ancient languages all have a lot of variations because in places translators have to give their best guess. That's also why there are so many versions of the bible.

When I watched on the news images of people in Palestine, Iran, other countries in the Middle East, Pakistan, various countries in North Africa (all of them Muslim countries) then I would have to say, yes, not 100% but a very high %.

Never can trust that Mainstream Media :p !

But really, if you check you will find that there is a small faction that make life rough for all.
And if you think that Christians are not being killed, not being tortured, etc by muslims, you do have your head up your ass.

By extremist muslims. Lots of muslims are also being killed, tortured, etc. by extremist muslims.
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/brinkley/article/Taliban-s-shooting-of-teen-enrages-world-3965571.php

There are also plenty of moderate muslims who just want to live a normal life .

Extremists of any belief are potentially dangerous.

 

[Archangel]

That's nice, GILSAN. Now, would you like me to send you literally over 5,000 vids about how schools etc. are brainwashing kids, too? You seem to think it's the gays who are hurting America

 

[iowadawg]

Your arsenal is composed of blanks, winners like this:

"Their goal is to have legal sex with very young boys."

Loony bin type stuff.

Again your comment means you know NOTHING about the koran and sharia law.
You know nothing about Afghanistan and soldiers who served there can tell you about the sex with boys is there.

 

[GILSAN]

That's nice, GILSAN. Now, would you like me to send you literally over 5,000 vids about how schools etc. are brainwashing kids, too? You seem to think it's the gays who are hurting America

Yes, go ahead and post the videos.

No, my main beef is with the Brainwashed Liberals, and the the Obama Kiss-Ass Liberal Media. Gays are a very small, intolerant minority that have no respect for Catholics and Christians and because they are mostly Liberals and have the backing of the Liberals, it places them in the firing range of my arsenal.

 

[JB Lions]

Again your comment means you know NOTHING about the koran and sharia law.
You know nothing about Afghanistan and soldiers who served there can tell you about the sex with boys is there.

haha, what in the world are you talking about? That's what Gilsan said in terms of gay people wanting to get married in the U.S. That their goal is too have sex with young boys. And here you are talking about Sharia law, Koran, Afghanistan etc. You don't even know what you're replying too. You just like using the word Sharia in posts or something? And I see you skipped the question again. Just pick a number, a percentage, shouldn't be too hard. Is it really that hard to understand that decent people, regardless of religion, don't typically like the extremes in their religion? That they're affected as well?

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Yes, go ahead and post the videos.

No, my main beef is with the Brainwashed Liberals, and the the Obama Kiss-Ass Liberal Media. Gays are a very small, intolerant minority that have no respect for Catholics and Christians and because they are mostly Liberals and have the backing of the Liberals, it places them in the firing range of my arsenal.

Um, gays aren't trying to interfere with Catholics and Christians, but they're trying to interfere with them by trying to keep them from having the right to marry whom they chose. Why would you respect somebody that tries to keep you from having rights? You better called up Bloomberg and get his ok for your dinner.

 

[GILSAN]

Um, gays aren't trying to interfere with Catholics and Christians, but they're trying to interfere with them by trying to keep them from having the right to marry whom they chose. Why would you respect somebody that tries to keep you from having rights? That's a pushover mentality. You better called up Bloomberg and get his ok for your dinner.

Why should I agree with a group of people that has no respect for my religion? As an example just last month the very highly regarded (by the Liberal Media) homosexual POS called Dan Savage had the following comment when Pope Benedict announced his retirement:

“That Motherf***ing Power-Hungry, Self-Aggrandized Bigot In the Stupid F***ing Hat Announces His Retirement.”

http://www.catholicleague.org/dan-savage-savages-pope/

This POS would never have the courage to say something similar about an Ayatollah, because they would hang him by his cojones in the wink of an eye

 

[JB Lions]

"Why should I agree with a group of people that has no respect for my religion?"

You don't respect your own religion or you would follow it completely, see my cherry picking comment above. Of course they're not going to respect people with that kind of behavior towards them, trying to keep them from rights etc. And that's not everybody, some people are a little more forward thinking and kinder. You come across to me as one of the hateful Christians, thinking just because somebody wants to get married, they want to be pedophiles. Your mind is in the gutter.

 

[GILSAN]

"Why should I agree with a group of people that has no respect for my religion?"

You don't respect your own religion or you would follow it completely, see my cherry picking comment above. Of course they're not going to respect people with that kind of behavior towards them, trying to keep them from rights etc. And that's not everybody, some people are a little more forward thinking and kinder. You come across to me as one of the hateful Christians, thinking just because somebody wants to get married, they want to be pedophiles. Your mind is in the gutter.

My mind is very clear of any form of brainwashing thankfully. You and the rest of the lefties are the ones that have blinkers on. If you ever grow up someday perhaps you may be lucky and see the light, that's off course if you don't get trampled by Gays and Muslims and your Liberal government, who are slowly taking away your rights by leading you forward to the abyss, without you even noticing.

 

[DU]

 

[GILSAN]

A happy Easter to all especially to those that find the name "Easter" offensive.

 

[iowadawg]

A happy Easter to all especially to those that find the name "Easter" offensive.

What GILSAN said goes for me also.

Funny how liberals make jokes and cartoons about Jesus, the Pope, Christians, and more...
Yet they are freaking ass afraid to say one bad word about the pedophile called Mohammed! Or make jokes about him or cartoons, etc.
Shows the bias of those on the left.

 

[enlytend]

My mind is very clear of any form of brainwashing thankfully.

OR you've been brainwashed to the point where you believe that....

Personally I don't see that cartoon as disrespectful to Jesus - the butt of the joke are the "false prophet" pedophile priests. As I recall Jesus was pretty much against the whole false teacher/prophet thing. And if you can't criticize THAT because you feel it's disrespectful to your religion, well, that's very sad (and the reason the problem persists.)

 

[PNW]

As far as Jesus is concerned, I believe He has the best sense of humor EVER! What I recommend doing is taking a little time and go

 

[GILSAN]

Personally I don't see that cartoon as disrespectful to Jesus - the butt of the joke are the "false prophet" pedophile priests.

As I recall Jesus was pretty much against the whole false teacher/prophet thing. And if you can't criticize THAT because you feel it's disrespectful to your religion, well, that's very sad (and the reason the problem persists.)

As a Catholic I'm pretty much used to a lot o disrespectful cartoons or jokes about the Catholic Church. The cartoon DU put up a few posts back I can even laugh at (I even gave him a LIKE) but when it comes to people like that POS homosexual Dan Savage who are vile and really hateful towards Catholics, then the story is quite different. Amazingly this idiot is considered a Sex Expert. Yea sure, must be an expert in sodomy.

As for Pedophile priests, you will notice that I'm very critical about that in my posts further back (if you bother to look it up). One important thing that is being omitted by the Media is that there are a lot more Gay priests than pedophile priests committing child abuses within the Catholic Church. The Media will not say this as it may look back for the gays and compromise their agenda.

 

[RogueWriter]

The whole government/gay marriage issue should be irrelevant imo. Basically, the only reason the government needs to know your marriage status is so they can continue to tax the crap out of you in one way or another, or figure out how they can tax your estate, or common law taxes, etc. Well, plus it makes a nice data point for the database they are building on every citizen. Any reference of marriage should be stripped out of the government's vast warehouse of legislation, and the issue of marriage should be handed over to the church and lawyers. The idea of marriage is primarily a function of religion anyway, so let the various religions and their associated sects convene and pick a stance.

If the Baptist leadership decides no, it is not acceptable, then gays cannot get married in that church, since the church does not reflect their specific religious beliefs. If the Presbyterians decide, you know what, we need to be more accepting, and the church decides to support gay marriage, then that is where they get married, since that is where their religious views jive.

If heterosexual and homosexual couples are also atheist, and the government doesn't give a s--- about ANY marriages, then they can get a lawyer and draw up a civil union contract, and rent my banquet hall to celebrate.

JMO, I don't buy into the concept that if you are gay you are probably a sexually twisted pedophile-in-waiting. I just don't see it. Heck, for example, I would be willing to bet that a vast majority of the 500+ murders in Chicago last year were committed by heterosexuals. Does that make heterosexuals evil?

 

[enlytend]

Gay priests than pedophile priests committing child abuses within the Catholic Church. The Media will not say this as it may look back for the gays and compromise their agenda.

I don't think it's necessary to harp on whether the abusers are gay or straight - the fact that there's ANY abuse is an overriding issue. A pedophile is a pedophile, regardless of the gender of the abuser and the child and it should never be tolerated. And no need to keep restating the obvious, since all priests are male and the vast majority of the abuse victims appear to be male. (Maybe it happens, but I can't recall any stories of nuns abusing kids - except maybe corporal punishment)

BUT that doesn't mean all gays are pedophiles. It's just a correlation and correlations by themselves are meaningless. Maybe it means that the priesthood is an attractive career choice (whether out of guilt and hoping it will help them mend their ways OR for opportunity) for catholic men who are gay AND have pedophile tendencies -

And I know you would like to see them take action against pedophile priests - your heart's in the right place on that. It was Dawg I was arguing with .

 

[GILSAN]

JMO, I don't buy into the concept that if you are gay you are probably a sexually twisted pedophile-in-waiting. I just don't see it. Heck, for example, I would be willing to bet that a vast majority of the 500+ murders in Chicago last year were committed by heterosexuals. Does that make heterosexuals evil?

You raise some interesting points about it being the religions that should decide on whether to accept gay marriage or not.

Nobody is saying that if you are gay you are automatically a pedophile. Yes there are some gay pedos but mostly you are either Gay or Pedophile. What I was explaining to enlytend is that the Media always and I mean ALWAYS portray child abusing Catholic priests as Pedophile priests, when in fact the majority of these crimes are committed by Gay priests, simply because there is a whole lot more of them.

Enlytend explained it pretty well in her last post and I quote her:

"BUT that doesn't mean all gays are pedophiles. It's just a correlation and correlations by themselves are meaningless. Maybe it means that the priesthood is an attractive career choice (whether out of guilt and hoping it will help them mend their ways OR for opportunity) for catholic men who are gay AND have pedophile tendencies - "

As for the "500+ murders in Chicago last year were committed by heterosexuals. Does that make heterosexuals evil?"

Since gays represent 1-2% of the population it's obvious their murder rate is going to be much lower. In Chicago as you well know, it's the gangs that do the vast majority of the killings. The Black gangs are on top of the list followed by Hispanic gangs in terms of murders, and interestingly most murders were committed with guns in a city that apparently has some of the strictest gun controls in the US