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The .PRO Discussion

Located in gTLD Discussion started by InvisionTech, Sep 17, 2008.

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  1. steveteva

    steveteva Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Sorry but that's bot true, just compare all .co sales (aftermarket and reg) from launch to now with .pro
    Look names of domainers that trust on .co, they are the big guys....
    I can argue for hours but don't need because it's a .pro thread.

    I was a .pro, .tel... believer but since the big names (domainers), registrars... don't put effort on marketing or are interested about it, I'll put my eggs elswhere.

    It could be one of .com challenger but fail, hope that will change but don't really believe because restriction is the lock for success.

    I already exlain above other reasons .pro will not work.

    Here is another example and experience with .pro
    I've collect like many domainers here a list of several hundreds of home staging agencies, company... sent out an email about homestaging.pro for sale (don't tell me that name is not a good name) at a reasonable price $250 (any professional can pay that, and it's cheap) was set on sedo so they can pay immediately or contact me and trade manualy; guess what, I've got a few reply and in their email they were saying not interested, never heard about .pro... just shocking for me!

    So I think I sold to a domainer here for a lower price, and it is still parked!
     
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  2. akcampbell

    akcampbell .Pro Regular VIP

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    Homestaging.pro is a poor .pro. There are no previous sales for the keyword homestaging on dnsaleprice.com. Why do you think it's a good .pro?

    Having big guys on board didn't stop .mobi sale prices crashing. .pro achieves respectable and consistent sale prices with no hype, no big guys on board, no registry marketing, restrictions, high registration fees, and hardly anybody selling them. It sells because it is brandable, credible, and a gTLD.

    No domain extension is ever going to challenge .com or get anywhere near it. However, extensions that rely on hype like .co are more likely to struggle in a market flooded with new extensions because as soon as the spotlight moves on, they will wither. Big companies bought and developed .mobi domains, again it didn't sustain sale prices for very long.

    If you buy domains in an alternative extension that is flavour of the month, it can only go down in value when the next big thing comes along. If you buy domains in an alternative extension with $99 registration fees, restrictions and hardly anybody selling it, and then registrations fees fall by 90%, restrictions get relaxed or removed, and more and more registrars sell it, it has to go up in value, all other things being equal.
     
  3. steveteva

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    You're the only one or few making money on .pro because of some top generic you own witch I' happy for you and I believe that you put positive thinking of .pro

    You are one of the most famous .pro seller :)

    But for most or all .pro owners it's not really a great extension.

    Just open your eyes and look at .pro drops!

    I know some did reg hundreds of good .pro at beginning (not me) and let it drop after.

    I don't believe when you say homestaging.pro is not worth. dnsaleprice.com is not the only tool to trust on for your statements.

    Investigate more on home staging and you'll see it's not a small niche market. In real estate, it's common! Check how many professionals are there? and you'll be :o
     
  4. davidc

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    It's a good extension, but not for all keywords. I like to think that there are some general "rules" for registering a .pro. Don't register simple words or words that can't combine with Pro.

    Exampel: Almost all sports can be combined with .Pro, why? Because all sports have pros. The extension fits naturally with the keyword.

    Then there are some career, business and product words/names that can be combined but a LOT of them that doesn't fit at all. Just because there was a high sale on a keyword doesn't automatically mean that the same keyword.pro will be sold for a high price.

    Try thinking further away, what could "this" domain be used for by the endbuyer? Is it brandable? Would ppl remember/recognize it? Is it a lot of money in this business?!

    Of course, all in the end it's what you tell the endbuyer about the domain and why your askingprice is what it is.
     
  5. akcampbell

    akcampbell .Pro Regular VIP

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    I investigated homestaging at the time you registered the .pro because it wasn't a word I was familiar with but I still concluded it was a poor .pro. There are no previous sales whatever site you check. I have checked Namebio.com, DomainTools, and DNSalePrice. On Sedo, there are 2 domains with 4 offers between them for homestaging. You did well to sell it to another domainer for a few dollars. .pro is like any alternative extension, you need strong keywords that fit the extension and it helps if you have alot of them.
     
  6. Kate

    Kate Domainosaurus Rex VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    At the last count there 4-5 people making money off .pro :talk:
     
  7. JoeBiz

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    The point that you are missing is that very few people in this forum buy Pros to make a quick profit. Pros are an investment with very little return anticipated for a year or two. I have 200 Pros parked on Sedo that I'm very happy with and they have more than paid for themselves. Anything else is gravy. And if they sink, I still made money.

    It's very much like buying gold. You don't buy 10 ounces today and turn around and sell the next day for a profit. I started puttering around with gold bullion in 2004 when it was around $400 an ounce. Today it closed at well over $1,500 an ounce. In 2004 people were laughing at us when we said it could hit $800. They laugh no more : )

    Patience. Patience. Patience.
     
  8. steveteva

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    Ok guys, with all your post I might not be a good .pro domainer I should agree maybe, so might work for you but not for me :(

    So, sorry if I hurt your .pro

    Wish you all the best for now and future. It's not for me or for some domainers like me who don't know how to make profit from it.
     
  9. webdomain

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    Its all good discussion steve and there is something to be said with going with the flow. As in investor if you follow the trend you can also make a good deal of money where guys like me wouldn't.

    However, .pro is for the long haul and that can be a tough road.

    oh, and there is not much you can do to hurt .pro as AK says it's growing without hype and its slow steady rate which is a good thing. (meaning the extension is most likely not going to depreciate heavily in value) At some point the .pro market will move up and resales are going to reflect that.
     
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  10. mwzd

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    Good posts all around, a nice civil discussion for a change, unlike some other overhyped extensions. And therein, in my mind, is the differentiation between this extension and others, a professional image, both in its proponents and opponents. And what you, or anyone else, says about 'our' .pro doesn't really matter, since the extension isn't hyped to start with. If you think 'top domainers' make or break an extension you obviously came in after the .mobi / .asia fiascos. Though you're probably taken in by the .co hype machine, as you were supposed to. Here's something I'd written a while back, might open your eyes a little:
    http://www.mwzd.com/domain-names/the-top-10-myths-about-domain-investment/
    http://www.mwzd.com/domain-names/the-dotasia-debacle/

    HomeStaging is not a good domain for .pro because:
    1. It's a two word, even one word domains are a tough sell.
    2. Since there isn't much general populace awareness for .pro, it doesn't follow the same reasoning (searches/mo.) as do other extensions. You'll never make anything substantial by parking a .pro, even a top notch keyword.
    3. Development, or purchase for development is the only way forward for .pro domains. And that's the value proposition most people miss.

    .PRO is one of the best investment vehicles in my mind, because it provides a decent entry price point, even in the resale format. ROI will be excellent when the ROW wakes up to the value and professionals actually start using it. There was an excellent article posted about how the success of linkedin signifies a huge potential upside for .pro, I agree, the question is whether you have the correct domains to take advantage of the opportunity and whether you're willing to wait for the right time to do so, after all, .com registered in 1995 actually have mega value in 2007 and after, that's 12 years.
     
  11. webdomain

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    this may be the linkedin article I wrote the day they went public. I took it down quickly after posting because when discussing it with a less vocal .pro domainer friend I was told that comparing the two was a stretch.

    I most likely need to tone down the camparison and separate the 2 a bit as just because linkedin has this level of success doesn't mean that .pro will although, if the new ceo sees a large potential professional market it could represent a large demographic to solicit and tap into. A few good .pro adds in the Linkedin network would help raise awareness at the very least.

    Let me know if I'm off base with this one.
     
  12. Londoneli

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    Lonkedin is great place for professionals and .pro domains.
    I created groups under my dot Pro domains:

    "Freelance professionals" Members (17,901) for Freelancer.pro
    (I sold my Freelance.pro for $5,697.00 (USD) Sep 30, 2008 )
    http://www.linkedin.com/groups?viewMembers=&gid=153760&sik=1306905322264

    "Branding Professionals" Members (4,371) For my Branding.pro
    http://www.linkedin.com/groups?viewMembers=&gid=116821&sik=1306905322259

    "Crew" Members (4,532) Crew.pro
    http://www.linkedin.com/groups?viewMembers=&gid=898467&sik=1306905322261

    "Lighting professionals www.Lighting.pro" Members (3,254)
    for my Light.pro , Lighting.pro , LEDs.pro Lite.pro
    http://www.linkedin.com/groups?viewMembers=&gid=162300&sik=1306905322262


    "Broadcast Media Professionals" Members (920) for my Broadcast.pro
    http://www.linkedin.com/groups?viewMembers=&gid=153083&sik=1306905322260

    +
    I created groups for
    Apps.pro
    Young.pro
    SelfEmployed.pro
    Animation.pro
    Young.pro


    Now, if i develop my domains, my group members are potential customers (or buyers)
     
  13. webdomain

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    Great, I've been stepping out and doing some blogging lately on thedomain.com as well as some other boards and passively spreading the word on .pro

    nice post.
     
  14. dotprofan

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    What a good idea - thanks for sharing it!
     
  15. mwzd

    mwzd Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Great idea, thanks for sharing, repped!

    :tu:

    :sold:
     
  16. akcampbell

    akcampbell .Pro Regular VIP

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    Excluding the Hostway zip code bulk registration, Total .pros registered increased by 4.2% in February 2011 from 56,908 to 59,280. The biggest riser was RU-Center which was up from 4,093 to 4,999. Average daily WHOIS searches jumped from 18,151 to 21,589.
     
  17. webdomain

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    exciting stuff!
     
  18. webdomain

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    Anyone heard anything about restriction removal? With the potential quantity of incoming tld's coming into the market in the next few years. It does seem crazy that existing gtlds would have to operate at a handicap compared with incoming ones.
     
  19. JoeBiz

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    If you're lazy If you work too hard, like I do, and don't have time to read every scrap of news, these monthly numbers from Andrew are invaluable. When these numbers stop creeping and break into a trot then you'll know it's on. Thanks Andrew !!!


    8^X
     
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  21. Londoneli

    Londoneli Upgraded Member Gold Account

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    Thank you!)
    Who will buy this domains, can become linkedin group owner. for example: domain Lighting.pro and group "Lighting professionals www.Lighting.pro" Members (3,254)

    http://www.linkedin.com/groups?viewM...=1306905322262

    My idea was, develop Linkedin groups for my domains.
     
  22. dotprofan

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    Will this auction set the record for the highest .pro sale ever? I have to think that some deep pockets will come out of the woodwork for this one:

    https://www.snapnames.com/domain/sex.pro.action

    Any predictions on what it will go for?
     
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  23. webdomain

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    How did this even get released? It's so strange how the registry sort of just lets 3 letter domains go to auction without any press release.
     
  24. InvisionTech

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    SOMEBODY had that domain LONG before 3-character .PRO were released/made available to public. So, something is fishy about that name.
     
  25. dotprofan

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