The .TEL Discussion Thread

[brendan52190]

Hi

For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?

 

[Undermoose]

What "gem" of a domain was this that you received the $2,000 offer on?

Dogfood.tel, I may sell it to him just to prove a .tel point!

 

[npuser09]

Dogfood.tel, I may sell it to him just to prove a .tel point!

Are you serious?? $2k for dogfood.tel!

Go for it!!

 

[Shahid7]

hahah yes he surely should...

i own dietfood.tel and no one has offered me something like that
but i think Diet Food sounds lot better then Dog Food i might be wrong
but i think right

 

[buyauthority]

and to think DogFoods.tel is available.

maybe not after this ... lol (it wasn't me)

 

[kukgle]

Dogfood.tel, I may sell it to him just to prove a .tel point!

Wow, sell the dogfood, then, buy another gem with $2,000.

 

[ecigs.net]

Having a listing in the yellow pages provides local exposure. You essentially pay for the traffic (leads).
Why have a .tel instead, that will get no traffic at all ? Doesn't make any sense to me.

Give it a rest SDSinc. You've already said the same anti-TEL comments in enough threads. All these points have already been addressed. You are presuming that TEL will not get any traffic. What do you base this opinion on? What proof do you have other than your opinion? Furthermore, if it doesn't make sense for you to buy TEL, then don't buy one. Why hang out in TEL threads being a troll?

 

[Undermoose]

LOL - That went fast.

and to think DogFoods.tel is available.

maybe not after this ... lol (it wasn't me)

GONE!, Now that's some serious traction for Telnic. Maybe I should get a commission. LOL.

I opted not to register that varient because in natural english it isn't spoken that way :D

 

[Kate]

Give it a rest SDSinc. You've already said the same anti-TEL comments in enough threads. All these points have already been addressed. You are presuming that TEL will not get any traffic. What do you base this opinion on? What proof do you have other than your opinion? Furthermore, if it doesn't make sense for you to buy TEL, then don't buy one. Why hang out in TEL threads being a troll?

I was reacting to some of the nonsense being floated around, the latest being that .tel is a must for SEO :gl:
NP would be the laughing stock of the SEO community if they knew about this thread.

 

[movingconcierge]

Two things:

1) .tel adds a step to phone numbers because you have to access the site either through the mobile web or PC web.

2) only another, more intuitive DIRECT CONNECT method can replace phone numbers.

The main selling point is memorable storage of contact details, not replacement of anything really. It augments the phonebook. It doesn't replace it.

Here is a game changer for .tel

Because .tels are able to replace phonenrs.

Sometimes you walk by a plumberoffice, he has a sign,
"plumber call 08-743 34 63"

(Sure he will be listed in the yellowpages but he can't advertise it)

Suddenly you need a plumber but can't remember his business name or phone nr you check the yellowpages and find another plumber. Good for you not for him.

Scenario 2.

Sometimes you walk by a plumberoffice, he has a sign,
"plumber NYplumber.tel"

Suddenly you need a plumber and this time you remember NYplumber.tel You write it in your cellphone and you call him, he gets a customer.

You are satisfied and next time you call him again you even recomend him. Its easy to share his phonenr.

A YP listing wont do that.

Sure he could have had NYplumber.com aswell but this plumber is no good at the internet and the NYplumber.com was 10 times more expensive and required a him to spend more time and money on a webpage. So the NYplumber.tel fits him better.

For him its the best solution.

 

[Undermoose]

In fact .tel simplifies. It doesn't add extra steps.

Two things:

1) .tel adds a step to phone numbers because you have to access the site either through the mobile web or PC web.

2) only another, more intuitive DIRECT CONNECT method can replace phone numbers.

The main selling point is memorable storage of contact details, not replacement of anything really. It augments the phonebook. It doesn't replace it.

Here is a game changer for .tel

1) Have to access site through mobile web or pc web - nope, it's a quick lightweight lookup, and the cell phones are getting applications for adding to your address book, it's address book, or to do searches. Compared to other search means, yellow pages, 411, web, etc.. it's a no brainer and simple.

2) Direct connect for .TEL is coming.

3) I believe Telnic wants to ingrain .Tel in every cell phone rom. Telnic has reserved "pure numbers" - every cell phone gets a .Tel. WALLA! 4 billion cell phones strong.. DWARFS the pc, it's more human and intuitive, and portable.

Welcome to the future!
Undermoose
Futuristic.Tel

 

[movingconcierge]

1) Have to access site through mobile web or pc web - nope, it's a quick lightweight lookup, and the cell phones are getting applications for adding to your address book, it's address book, or to do searches. Compared to other search means, yellow pages, 411, web, etc.. it's a no brainer and simple.

I think you are going to broad with your reply. Let me boil down my comment to an analogy. If I want to call someone using a phone number, I dial it on my phone. If I want to do the same thing with a .tel, I have to go to the .tel site and then click on the number. Just going to a .tel site is not an instruction to dial because there are other types of data conveyed on the site like addresses, names, geo locations, etc. So unless you have an interface on your phone that says when it goes to a .tel site, to find a number and dial then you are adding steps. BTW, even with an auto find / dial interface, you still run into a problem of WHICH number to dial. What if I want to dial Accounting and the front page shows a sales number? You see, it's not as easy as you make it out to be.

2) Direct connect for .TEL is coming.

Do you care to elaborate or is this just a prognostication? No offense, but that is a bold and broad statement to make.

3) I believe Telnic wants to ingrain .Tel in every cell phone rom. Telnic has reserved "pure numbers" - every cell phone gets a .Tel. WALLA! 4 billion cell phones strong.. DWARFS the pc, it's more human and intuitive, and portable.

I bet Telnic wants to ingrain a .tel into every newborn child too, but that doesn't mean they will or even have plans to talk about. Again, this is a major what if you are proposing without any type of concrete evidence to back it up.

Welcome to the future!
Undermoose
Futuristic.Tel

easy does .telmeister let's see something more than hopeful speculation. No offense

 

[Undermoose]

I think you are going to broad with your reply. Let me boil down my comment to an analogy. If I want to call someone using a phone number, I dial it on my phone. If I want to do the same thing with a .tel, I have to go to the .tel site and then click on the number. Just going to a .tel site is not an instruction to dial because there are other types of data conveyed on the site like addresses, names, geo locations, etc. So unless you have an interface on your phone that says when it goes to a .tel site, to find a number and dial then you are adding steps. BTW, even with an auto find / dial interface, you still run into a problem of WHICH number to dial. What if I want to dial Accounting and the front page shows a sales number? You see, it's not as easy as you make it out to be.


Do you care to elaborate or is this just a prognostication? No offense, but that is a bold and broad statement to make.


I bet Telnic wants to ingrain a .tel into every newborn child too, but that doesn't mean they will or even have plans to talk about. Again, this is a major what if you are proposing without any type of concrete evidence to back it up.


easy does .telmeister let's see something more than hopeful speculation. No offense

First, finding information is always a task, search a phone book, the internet, etc.. once you get the number you're looking for then you need to dial it. So where's the big leap clicking a .Tel having it present a list to choose from? You can then select any contact method desired, phone, email, im, whatever. Click, select, and Shazaam!

Direct from Telnic.org Road Map to you:
Items 4 and 17 are delivered already, and item 7 = Direct Connect (choosing which number is a decision on any list).

.tel Control Panel
1. Multi-lingual control panel Edit and manage your .tel in your own language.
2. Folder management Rename folders and edit the link text in any language, make the link private or published in a specific profile, or delete the link altogether.
3. Privacy Add private contact information in sub-folders, not only on your main .tel page. Hide your location or keywords as needed.
4. Your .tel email Set up [email protected].
5. Bulk updates Update multiple contacts at once, move all your .tel contents into another domain or sub-domain.
6. Custom .tel heading Customize the text that displays as the heading of your .tel web page instead of your domain name. You can enter text in any language and use special characters.
7. Click-to-communicate Click a click-to-call weblink to your VoIP/Internet telephone number.
8. Dynamic data Create a status message or set your time zone to show when and how you are accessible.
9. New contact types Post usernames and gaming handles in your .tel domain.
10. Extended keywords Add longer keywords, up to 2000 characters long.

.tel Services
11. Traffic statistics See how many visits your .tel has via the web.
12. TelPages search Browse .tel results using the official search engine, optimized for indexing .tel domains.
13. Multi-lingual TelFriends Manage your friend list in your own language.

.tel Software
14. Windows Mobile application Save .tel data into your contacts, and manage your .tel using a PocketPC® or Smartphone.
15. Symbian application Get the power of .tel on your S60/9.x mobile.
16. Android application Add .tel functionality to your Google phone.
17. Contact Us tool Easily embed live .tel contact data into a .com website.

Of course a road map is nice... but delivering it is another story. Also, at this moment for the iPhone as an example, there is something called Superbook, rather rudimentary search (xyzabc.tel format only, not a true web search) and personal address book .tel reference for friends listed with .Tel.

I have to admit, considering how long it took Telnic to get live and the present state of the internet at large, I'm really surprised their launch doesn't have a lot of this in place already. In truth though, can't build on vaporware.. I'm sure lots of chicken before the egg scenario's were brainstormed. Live Tel now.

 

[RicoShay]

Out of all the recent tld/extensions that have come out and threads like this have been created - I have to say, this seems the most well debated. By which I mean there are a lot of points being thrown around - ideas and suggestions being discussed and in general it just seems a more mature discussion.

I haven't read everything, so my views are only based on what I see every time I pop in here.

Anyway, just a random thought. Please continue.

 

[lexisdomains]

1) Have to access site through mobile web or pc web - nope, it's a quick lightweight lookup, and the cell phones are getting applications for adding to your address book, it's address book, or to do searches. Compared to other search means, yellow pages, 411, web, etc.. it's a no brainer and simple.

As we speak, there are several applications that are being developed to make .tel domain more social. (e.g. Microsoft Dynamic Address Book plugin)


Thanks,
Lexis Domains

 

[movingconcierge]

First, finding information is always a task, search a phone book, the internet, etc.. once you get the number you're looking for then you need to dial it. So where's the big leap clicking a .Tel having it present a list to choose from? You can then select any contact method desired, phone, email, im, whatever. Click, select, and Shazaam!

Again, you are not addressing every issue that phonebooks address. I'll grant you that you do have to look up a phone number, but there are two very solid resource directories that exist and are household words - 411 and phonebook.

411
With 411 you call and tell someone what you want and where. They give you the number and, in most cases, connect you. But it is a central directory that can search by locale. .tel directories will most likely be abstract, amateurish, and prolific due to the relative low cost of buying a domain and installing a free directory script on your $4 month host. So unless everyone knows of a central directory for .tel and actually CARES enough to use it, then .tel cannot overcome the usefulness of 411.

phonebook
With phonebooks, it's different. There is legacy and standardization and old people love them. I understand their simplicity and the ability to scratch endless notes in the margins by favorite providers. But the major hurdle that .tel will probably never overcome, or at least not for decades of solid use, is that phonebooks are a LOCAL institution. When you move to a new house, a phonebook appears on your doorstep. Move your business, you guessed it, another phonebook. They are handy. You know what you are going to get. There will never be a time when you open up your phonebook and find a porno site in place of your plumber because you thought plumber was spelled, "PLUMPER."

e.g. Which name would give you the result you seek:

• NYplumber

• NewYorkPlumbers

• PlumbersNY

• NYNYplumbers

You get the picture. There is no standardization, no golden rule that anyone would have to follow to make the real time issue of finding the best phone number when you want it easy and the same globally.

So although you replied back with a laundry list of items that .tel is doing to advance their business, I feel most are tangent and don't properly addresses the claims you made about .tel replacing telephone numbers or that .tel will be a direct connect utility. I just don't see it happening.

BTW, did you check out my thread about what will make good sense for .tel and .mobi too? If not, scroll up and follow my link.

Direct from Telnic.org Road Map to you:
Items 4 and 17 are delivered already, and item 7 = Direct Connect (choosing which number is a decision on any list).

.tel Control Panel
1. Multi-lingual control panel Edit and manage your .tel in your own language.
2. Folder management Rename folders and edit the link text in any language, make the link private or published in a specific profile, or delete the link altogether.
3. Privacy Add private contact information in sub-folders, not only on your main .tel page. Hide your location or keywords as needed.
4. Your .tel email Set up [email protected].
5. Bulk updates Update multiple contacts at once, move all your .tel contents into another domain or sub-domain.
6. Custom .tel heading Customize the text that displays as the heading of your .tel web page instead of your domain name. You can enter text in any language and use special characters.
7. Click-to-communicate Click a click-to-call weblink to your VoIP/Internet telephone number.
8. Dynamic data Create a status message or set your time zone to show when and how you are accessible.
9. New contact types Post usernames and gaming handles in your .tel domain.
10. Extended keywords Add longer keywords, up to 2000 characters long.

.tel Services
11. Traffic statistics See how many visits your .tel has via the web.
12. TelPages search Browse .tel results using the official search engine, optimized for indexing .tel domains.
13. Multi-lingual TelFriends Manage your friend list in your own language.

.tel Software (these help, but in no way move .tel in the same area code as 411 or phonebooks
14. Windows Mobile application Save .tel data into your contacts, and manage your .tel using a PocketPC® or Smartphone.
15. Symbian application Get the power of .tel on your S60/9.x mobile.
16. Android application Add .tel functionality to your Google phone.
17. Contact Us tool Easily embed live .tel contact data into a .com website.

Of course a road map is nice... but delivering it is another story. Also, at this moment for the iPhone as an example, there is something called Superbook, rather rudimentary search (xyzabc.tel format only, not a true web search) and personal address book .tel reference for friends listed with .Tel.

I have to admit, considering how long it took Telnic to get live and the present state of the internet at large, I'm really surprised their launch doesn't have a lot of this in place already. In truth though, can't build on vaporware.. I'm sure lots of chicken before the egg scenario's were brainstormed. Live Tel now.

 

[npuser09]

The first ever TelCamp - TelCampBoston on June 28

What is a TelCamp?

Organized on the fly by attendees, a TelCamp offers excellent opportunities for networking and learning something new about .Tel technology!

Topics may include, but are not limited to: .Tel technology and how it works, .Tel marketing - proposed and existing methods, startups in this space, discussion about the visual design of .Tels, upcoming or conceptual hardware supporting .Tel and the future of .Tel technology - where we are and where we want to be!

FREE Tel Info Cards ONLY for attendees! Sign up on the wiki and if you're one of the first 10 attendees at the event, you'll get a set of 40-50 business-card sized "Tel Info Cards"! Hand them over to your friends and family to effectively demonstrate the simplicity of .Tel!

www.telcampus.org/wiki/TelCampBoston

 

[WordWalker]

As we speak, there are several applications that are being developed to make .tel domain more social. (e.g. Microsoft Dynamic Address Book plugin)

Thanks,
Lexis Domains

Spot on!

With a few modifications, .tel could functionally become as social as Twitter. Right now, from my iPhone, I could ramble on every hour or two about the latest triumph in my life of espionage and romance, and interested parties could "follow" on my .tel page. True, the ability to immediately notify my follower (no typo here) that I have once again gifted the world with but a tiny morsel of my charm and wit doesn't yet exist, but I imagine an innovative third party could develop a Twitter like package that does all this and more.

In particular, one of the major advantages to a Twitter like .tel community would be the decentralization enjoyed by its participants. That’s no small matter.

The mainstream is often much more interested in the social hub de jour experience than what is being sacrificed in the process. Think about it: we, the masses, create content, popularity and buzz, but it is the hub owner who enjoys the success and financial rewards that accompany it. The hub owner also controls the flow of information and terms of service. Not so in a decentralized social interactive network. And social networks are only the tip of the iceberg. For a better understanding of how we all benefit from decentralized web space, see this short item I've written about the concept of Unstructured Information.The potential for grass roots social interaction on a global scale is just one of the many powers of .tel.

 

[Undermoose]

I think I've got the right perspective.

Movingconcierge, I think you keep talking about "the way it is" and not the direction we are headed. The reason you are missing the point is that .tel is new tech addressing a world need that no other offering is doing and you're stuck on an old business model.

I have a friend who's had a small computer consulting company for the last 15 years. He's dumped thousands of dollars into yellow page adds, and is located in a very "connected" metro area. The Yellow pages has never generated a single lead! His company has grown by word of mouth, client references, and cold calling. .tel will do more for dramatically less as it has geolocation searching.

I think many big businesses share my perspective, and as example, some high profile such as Bloomberg(.tel).

It's certainly at the start, and .tel as a business has challenges, but they've set the stage. How we utilize the tool is unfolding and true value will be realized over the next 5 years.

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Wordwalker, I hope that social networking urge of yours, and others, dies quickly. I'd take a virtual poker and root it out myself if I could. Why would a brilliant directory offering and to taint itself.

Now if new or existing social networking services wanted to integrate .tel into their system then that would be a great use of .tel, but to be clear, my opinion is that if Telnic Movingconcierge, I think you keep talking about "the way it is" and not the direction we are headed. The reason you are missing the point is that .tel is new tech addressing a world need that no other offering is doing
and you're stuck on an old business model.

I have a friend who's had a small computer consulting company for the last 15 years. He's dumped thousands of dollars Ono yellow page adds, and is located in a very "connected" metro area. The Yellow pages has never generated a single lead! His company has grown by word of mouth, client references, and cold calling. .tel will do more for dramatically less, and allows for geolocations searching.

I think many big businesses share my perspective, and as example, some high profile such as Bloomberg(.tel).

It's certainly at the start, and .tel as a business has challenges, but they've set the stage. How we utilize the tool is unfolding and true value will be realized over the next 5 years.

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Wordwalker, I hope that social networking urge of yours, and others, dies quickly. I'd take a virtual poker and root it out myself if I could. Why would a brilliant directory offering taint itself with chatter.

Now if new or existing social networking services wanted to integrate .tel into their system then that would be a great use of .tel, but to be clear, my opinion is that if Telnic built it into .tel it would undermine real business value. It's not on Tenic's road map so I believe they share this perspective.

I really think we're going to see .tel integrates in social networking, and apparently myspace has an interest.

in social networking, and apparently myspace has an interest.

 

[WordWalker]

Wordwalker, I hope that social networking urge of yours, and others, dies quickly. I'd take a virtual poker and root it out myself if I could. Why would a brilliant directory offering and to taint itself.

Here's the thing: not everyone registering a .tel is going to be business related or business driven. In time, millions of names will represent non business related social points of contact (i.e., gamers, students, film buffs, slackers, whatever...), so with contact information clearly displayed, as usual, why not use this point of contact to broadcast a quick note, slogan, words of inspiration or microblog? If the buddys I play poker with decide to form a poker ring that is comprised of a dozen different people, what is the drawback of using .tel as another point of contact and as the hub for a poker ring we create?

It seems to me, the members of the poker ring would be subject to the friending process and without an invite, there's going to be just another "go to" folder with some sort of cryptic title you can't acess. What's that matter to you? Would you prefer that I register with a third party, independent franchise for activity I could very well do without its assistance, terms of service and exercise of ownership and intellectual property rights? What happens if they go out of business or get swallowed up by the competition or begin to dictate on acceptable or unacceptable communication's content. What if I'm expressing an opinion that doesn't sit well with the management? Or behaving in a way that is perfectly legal, but objectionable to the guy with the key to the hub? Decentralization has it's benefits.

I suspect that in time, many people will be able to use the .tel domain itself as a portable user id that will become the alter ego for the end user where ever and whenever they go on the internet. Imagine having an authentication process in place that will allow you to use that single .tel domain at 1000's of websites instead of being required to complete an independent registration of both name and password for each site that requires registration as a condition precedent to participation. To say right out of the gate that you hope the use of this domain is restricted beyond the limitations agreed to as a condition for the launch of the TLD seems a bit short sighted.

What bothers me most though is that you take me to task for having a forward looking vision while at the same time admonishing movingconcierge for being "stuck on an old business model." Please, choose a side.

 

[movingconcierge]

It appears that the argument is shifting. My point has always been for you to provide evidence that .tel will replace phone numbers and how they will become a direct connect utility. You made both of those statements but haven't backed them up yet. That's all.

My comparison to 411 and phonebooks were simply analogous to my point. Don't get hung up on them. Tell me how .tel is going to replace phone numbers and how it will become a direct connect utility.

Movingconcierge, I think you keep talking about "the way it is" and not the direction we are headed. The reason you are missing the point is that .tel is new tech addressing a world need that no other offering is doing and you're stuck on an old business model.

 

[plaggypig]

It appears that the argument is shifting. My point has always been for you to provide evidence that .tel will replace phone numbers and how they will become a direct connect utility. You made both of those statements but haven't backed them up yet. That's all.

My comparison to 411 and phonebooks were simply analogous to my point. Don't get hung up on them. Tell me how .tel is going to replace phone numbers and how it will become a direct connect utility.

There are already a couple of VOIP packages that have integrated .tel dialing; voipgate and kiax. Instead of dialing a phone number, you just dial a .tel and DNS will resolve the (preferred) phone number automatically.

 

[movingconcierge]

There are already a couple of VOIP packages that have integrated .tel dialing; voipgate and kiax. Instead of dialing a phone number, you just dial a .tel and DNS will resolve the (preferred) phone number automatically.

There's a concrete answer! Thanks, I'll check those out!

 

[Undermoose]

To the contrary...

What bothers me most though is that you take me to task for having a forward looking vision while at the same time admonishing movingconcierge for being "stuck on an old business model." Please, choose a side.

To the contrary, I said I think a new or exisiting social networking site will integrate .tel, and this would be an excellent use. I think this is happening too, MySpace.

I bet we can expect to see significant Social Network integration in 6 months to a year. Development takes time...

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It appears that the argument is shifting. My point has always been for you to provide evidence that .tel will replace phone numbers and how they will become a direct connect utility. You made both of those statements but haven't backed them up yet. That's all.

My comparison to 411 and phonebooks were simply analogous to my point. Don't get hung up on them. Tell me how .tel is going to replace phone numbers and how it will become a direct connect utility.

I believe I provided Telnic's direction so go ask them how they plan to do it, they've made "the bold statement".

 

[movingconcierge]

I believe I provided Telnic's direction so go ask them how they plan to do it, they've made "the bold statement".

I doubt they said .tel would replace phone numbers as a direct dial method. But OK. You don't want to play anymore :wave:

 

[lexisdomains]

. Tel will improve social networking

I doubt they said .tel would replace phone numbers as a direct dial method. But OK. You don't want to play anymore :wave:

.Tel will not replace standard telephone numbers, but will rather only improve the way we social network with other individuals.


Just waiting until mainstream internet audience catches on to this ideaology!


Tel the secret!

by, TelFu.com