The official .mobi, .asia, .IDN sucks thread

[soggyindo]

The official .mobi/ .asia/ .me/ .TV sucks thread

It seems every good thread these days gets filled with .mobi/ .asia/ .IDN/ .TV/ .us, debates. So here's a thread we can have at it! We can also refer people here if things get heated.



I'll start with a neutral statement:

WTF is the point of .mobi?

 

[GF]

FACT: Google was supposed to have been a key "backer" of mTLD and the "dot mobey"!

And who said (besides your distortions) they were a 'key' backer?? They are just another backer for your uninformed information.

http://mtld.mobi/company/about
"dotMobi (the informal name of mTLD Top Level Domain Ltd.) was appointed by ICANN as the official global registry for the .mobi top level domain.

dotMobi is backed by leading mobile operators, network device manufacturers and Internet content providers. Our investors include Ericsson, Google, GSM Association, Hutchison, Microsoft, Nokia, Orascom Telecom, Samsung Electronics, Syniverse, T-Mobile, Telefónica Móviles, TIM, Visa and Vodafone."

 

[hawkeye]

There does not exist an stand-alone developed Google "dot Mobey" website! Period.

or a Disney.com!!

Like so many corporations, they have clearly opted for and adopted the short and easily memorable "M Dot" brand! :music: :imho:
Tick. Tock.

-Jeff

But I googled Google mobile, and I see a lot of google.com/mobile urls!! But not many m.google.com. Do you think they maybe aren't getting their free advertising benefits off your free ads in your sig???

And you also pointed out -
Originally Posted by Jeff Yes, please see my #1 Signature for four rather large examples (even supposed one-time "dot Mobey" backer Google uses m.google.com and not Google "dot Mobey)!

Originally Posted by Jeff Incorrect; as they have not built a stand-alone "dot Mobey" or have they adopted or advertised a stand-alone Google "dot Mobey" site (and this was supposed to be a "backer" of the fading "dot Mobey")!
Link: http://www.google.com/mobile

-Jeff

So, are you sure that is what they only use??? You're getting confusing now..

http://mtld.mobi/company/about
"dotMobi (the informal name of mTLD Top Level Domain Ltd.) was appointed by ICANN as the official global registry for the .mobi top level domain.

dotMobi is backed by leading mobile operators, network device manufacturers and Internet content providers. Our investors include Ericsson, Google, GSM Association, Hutchison, Microsoft, Nokia, Orascom Telecom, Samsung Electronics, Syniverse, T-Mobile, Telefónica Móviles, TIM, Visa and Vodafone."

GF, read first. I didn't say they weren't a 'backer'. I disputed his 'key' backer point. geeez.


your sig points out why you'd be against .mobi. I would too with those names.

 

[namewaiter]

The FACTS remain

what about your recently previously stated fact that 'Slowdown is an understatement ... "dot Mobey" reg's are dropping en masse already'

i provided you a factual link that proves otherwise ...

http://www.registrarstats.com/Public/ZoneFileSurvey.aspx

no acknowledgement or any comment? just don't like admitting you're wrong?

 

[Jeff]

And who said (besides your distortions) they were a 'key' backer??

mTLD called Google one of the "leading mobile operators, network device manufacturers and Internet content providers" that was backing the "dot Mobey" ... but I agree that no one ever received CLARIFICATION as to the specific extent of this supposed "backing"! :imho:

Funny nobody has told me yet why a re-direct is such a horrible thing.

Insofar as the "dot Mobey", redirects are NOT development - and it has WIDELY BEEN ACCEPTED AND DISCUSSED that developments are the most important aspect for the future of the "dot Mobey" (especially in light of all of the extremely diluting mobile .TLD's that are most assuredly coming)! :tri: :yell: :imho:
Lazy redirects are the deathknell for the "dot Mobey" ... and its floundering "ecosystem"!

Just my two sense.
-Jeff

 

[Alan Glennon]

I think Google (and others) have been trying to figure out what address works best for them. Right now, it's www.google.com/mobile. Naming conventions on for mobile devices are a pain -- mostly because people are less prone to use search. I suspect their current address will be where they stay until at least they get better behavior data from Android usage.

 

[Jeff]

no acknowledgement or any comment?

Huh? :blink:

The actual context was that there are MASSIVE "dot Mobey" DROPS on the horizon ... because mTLD and the extension have failed to gain development, real corporate adoption, awarenesss, and credibility (abandoning the RFP process and not enforcing the firm development mandates)! :tri: :imho:

Within the last few months, I've read on Domain Monster™ (among others) that there have been "over 1 million .mobi's registered since launch in 2006", and your quoted figure of ~923,000 total "dot Mobey's" simply reinforces the facts and opinions (in the proper context) that I presented, IMHO. :gl:
Even more "dot Mobey's" will DROP once the highly brandable .TEL is officially launched!

Thanks for the assist.
-Jeff

 

[Work In Progress]

Insofar as the "dot Mobey", redirects are NOT development - and it has WIDELY BEEN ACCEPTED AND DISCUSSED that developments are the most important aspect for the future of the "dot Mobey" (especially in light of all of the extremely diluting mobile .TLD's that are most assuredly coming)! :tri: :yell: :imho:
Lazy redirects are the deathknell for the "dot Mobey" ... and its floundering "ecosystem"!

Just my two sense.
-Jeff

So, under this premise, if the top 1000 websites simply take their already built mobile versions and redirect to their now branded dotMobi, mobi has failed?

And those same companies now pay $$$$$$ to promote their .mobi address over and above their m.whatever.com, simply because it's a re-direct....mobi still fails your litmus test?
Hmmm?

Why would an established company that already has a mobile site develope another one to use for .mobi extension? For domainers? Good luck with that.

The fact remains...nobody cares if it's a redirect. As long as the company uses and promotes it, it's a success, simply because that company has chosen to spend real $$$$ to lead visitors to their mobi site.

Like that big mouse company kids kind of like.....

 

[Jeff]

The fact remains...nobody cares if it's a redirect.

If it's not dedicated, stand-alone development, it is not helping to build the very important "dot Mobey" "ecosystem"! :yell:
This critical point cannot be stressed enough, IMHO.

As long as the company uses and promotes it, it's a success, simply because that company has chosen to spend real $$$$ to lead visitors to their mobi site.

For the above (development!) reasons, I strongly disagree Mark! gl:
Which specific companies have developed, stand-alone "dot Mobey" websites and are spending verified "big money" to promote it, and how much is being spent, specifically, on this marketing?
What are their specific website traffic stats ... where are these mobile users coming from?!?

Thanks again for the assist.
-Jeff

 

[cityforums.com]

Even IF mobey makes a few waves ... how will you make money from this

beast as an end-user ? ... tiny screen = tiny money for the vast

majority of mobey domains ... now with a Tidal Wave of new extensions mobey

is gonna float belly up ... even the main stream press which knows little of

domains has mentioned this ... Even if a company can successfully market

a mobi ... say flowers.mobi spends a million dollars in advertising ... I think

flowers.com will get some overflow from their advertising and redirect mobile

requests to THEIR mobile enabled page ... everywhere you look its not good.

 

[Jeff]

^ Rep.+

The highly brandable .TEL (along with the potential of the .MO, .MOB, .MOBILE, .CELL, .IPHONE, .WEB, etc.) are additional major league challenges to the already extinguished "dot Mobey" (and it failed, as I stated above, for many MANY reasons ... first among them is the fumbling by mTLD itself (in not enforcing those widely publicised development mandates!), and second, because - from a branding perspective - the highly unprofessional and clumbsy "dot Mobey" never could allow for mass dedicated corporate adoption and awareness)! :imho:
R.I.P.

-Jeff

 

[whitebark]

.mobi restrictions = neutered websites.

View a stripped down website or the real thing? The answer is pretty simple for anyone with a new phone.

Oh - and .asia domains are useless in English - they will get less traffic than .mobi domains. 0 x 0 still equals 0.

 

[Keith]

.mobi restrictions = neutered websites.

View a stripped down website or the real thing? The answer is pretty simple for anyone with a new phone.

Oh - and .asia domains are useless in English - they will get less traffic than .mobi domains. 0 x 0 still equals 0.

Scrolling and zooming = headaches IMHO. Mobile is not about having a full blown website to navigate for lengthy periods of time. It is about delivering the goods to the consumer quickly and efficiently. I think many people are missing this. People will not surf the web on their mobiles like they do on a pc. Time is of the essence in most cases when searching content via mobile This is precisely why "stripped down" sites will be better!

 

[hawkeye]

The highly brandable .TEL (along with the potential of the .MO, .MOB, .MOBILE, .CELL, .IPHONE, .WEB, etc.) are additional major league challenges to the already extinguished "dot Mobey" (and it failed, as I stated above, for many MANY reasons ... first among them is the fumbling by mTLD itself (in not enforcing those widely publicised development mandates!), and second, because - from a branding perspective - the highly unprofessional and clumbsy "dot Mobey" never could allow for mass dedicated corporate adoption and awareness)! :imho:
R.I.P.

-Jeff

One, this proves you have no idea what .tel is and will be about.

And two, you are falsely and inaccurately saying .mobi has failed and it has not! This is a lie and a distortion of reality. Plain and simple jeff, If you can prove it has failed, then post here where it says so, and not your one sided opinions. Factual proof!! If you can't back up what you are saying with 'factual proof', stop stating misleading and false accusations!!

Whether you like the extension or not, others besides those that are willing to combat your ignorance here, have invested and are investing in that extension, and you are spreading and feeding others with unproveable lies!!

 

[Work In Progress]

.mobi restrictions = neutered websites.

View a stripped down website or the real thing? The answer is pretty simple for anyone with a new phone.

Oh - and .asia domains are useless in English - they will get less traffic than .mobi domains. 0 x 0 still equals 0.

I guess there are those who would rather filter through the crap to get to the meat and have the extra time to burn. The mobi sites I have that have been listed in iPhone aps have taken a tremendous spike in traffic. And these people come back to the stripped down content I offer. Why? Maybe, just maybe its because it's info they're looking for and not a 1/2 or 3/4 page full of misleading ads they have to filter through. Not to mention the extremely fast load times....even on a smart phone...The average mobile surfer doesn't have an exorbitant amount of time to spare. New phones or old ones.

 

[hawkeye]

Here you go jeff, a local NH bank that forgot to consult with you on their web developing plans - lsbnh.mobi. Another bank that doesn't listen to 'know-it-all' domainers!

 

[BocaVision]

Here you go jeff, a local NH bank that forgot to consult with you on their web developing plans - lsbnh.mobi. Another bank that doesn't listen to 'know-it-all' domainers!

:lol: :lol:

:blink:

 

[GF]

your sig points out why you'd be against .mobi. I would too with those names.

No logical reasoning, so you decide to get personal.

That doesn't belong here, IMO.

 

[cityforums.com]

:lol: :lol:

:blink:

:lol: :lol:

 

[Work In Progress]

If it's not dedicated, stand-alone development, it is not helping to build the very important "dot Mobey" "ecosystem"! :yell:
This critical point cannot be stressed enough, IMHO.

Ah, but it is being developed. Every day, more mobi sites are springing up. Are they reporting to you? Obviously not. But they are being developed. I can't think of another TLD that has come out that has more sites being developed for this early in it's existence.

For the above (development!) reasons, I strongly disagree Mark! gl:
Which specific companies have developed, stand-alone "dot Mobey" websites and are spending verified "big money" to promote it, and how much is being spent, specifically, on this marketing?
What are their specific website traffic stats ... where are these mobile users coming from?!?

Thanks again for the assist.
-Jeff

Hmm. For some reason, these companies don't feel much of a need to report these stats to me. Go figure. We will always disagree on the need for a separate stand alone site. You sound like one of my pork spending congressman.

I can hear it now at company X...looking to add a mobi site to it's future plans...

One one hand, we can utilize our already built mobile site and tell people to type in oursite.mobi....OR we can help the mobi ecosystem and start from scratch, build a different site so domainers can't complain. The shareholders won't mind if we piss away this money...

 

[Jeff]

One, this proves you have no idea what .tel is and will be about.

The highly brandable .TEL (along with the potential of the diluting .MO, .MOB, .MOBILE, .CELL, .IPHONE, .WEB, etc.) are additional major league challenges for the "dot Mobey", IMHO. :red:

PS. Local Laconia Savings Bank versus one-time key "backer" Google ... not a very compelling argument for the future of the lowly "dot Mobey", IMHO. I'm sure lots of small to medium sized companies are trying and experimenting with different mobile routes ... of course with emerging mobile technologies such as devices, browsers, mobile plans, and auto detection, there's no need and there's never going to be just one "standardized" (especially a limiting "watered down" version) option, anyway.

Perhap this is why local Laconia Savings Bank also already has many other domain names ... including BOTH lsbnh.com and lsbnh.net registered on the exact same day as the "dot Mobey"! :talk:
I know a gentleman over there, and will seek to get some insight and clarification, as convenient. :blink:
Hardly worth all the fuss of posting ... given the "backer" Google (still no developed, stand alone "dot Mobey"!) context, IMHO.
-Jeff