discuss The official "Dot Com is King?" thread.

[PowerUp]

I've read alot of comments of domainers putting forth their ideas of why or why not dot com is King and which are the other possible extensions having potential to follow the rise of the .com.

Perhaps we could all appreciate these ideas better if we could bring (or dig) out facts and figures for analysis.

Below is a list of top 100 sites from Alexa ranking as at today. If anyone has a top 100 list from last year, then we could compare and see if there are any extensions gaining publicity faster than the others.

I encourage everybody to share more figures with us.

Alexa Top 100 (50 out of top 100 domains isn't a .com.)

1. yahoo.com
2. youtube.com
3. live.com
4. google.com
5. myspace.com
6. facebook.com
7. msn.com
8. hi5.com
9. wikipedia.org
10. orkut.com
11. blogger.com
12. rapidshare.com
13. fotolog.net
14. megaupload.com
15. google.fr
16. skyrock.com
17. friendster.com
18. microsoft.com
19. baidu.com
20. megarotic.com
21. google.cl
22. yahoo.co.jp
23. ebay.com
24. google.com.br
25. google.es
26. mail.ru
27. google.com.mx
28. seznam.cz
29. dailymotion.com
30. photobucket.com
31. youporn.com
32. google.pl
33. imdb.com
34. imageshack.us
35. vkontakte.ru
36. nasza-klasa.pl
37. qq.com
38. google.co.uk
39. flickr.com
40. megavideo.com
41. odnoklassniki.ru
42. google.de
43. metroflog.com
44. amazon.com
45. google.co.ve
46. redtube.com
47. google.com.ar
48. free.fr
49. wordpress.com
50. uol.com.br
51. google.com.co
52. imagevenue.com
53. mininova.org
54. wretch.cc
55. google.com.pe
56. onet.pl
57. aol.com
58. allegro.pl
59. yandex.ru
60. go.com
61. sina.com.cn
62. deviantart.com
63. google.co.in
64. bbc.co.uk
65. google.ca
66. craigslist.org
67. google.sk
68. adultfriendfinder.com
69. livejournal.com
70. globo.com
71. iwiw.hu
72. google.com.vn
73. wp.pl
74. netlog.com
75. perfspot.com
76. google.co.hu
77. googlesyndication.com <--- Adsense bot traffic?
78. google.it
79. terra.com.br
80. ebay.fr
81. google.cn
82. veoh.com
83. fc2.com
84. google.co.th
85. fotka.pl
86. orange.fr
87. rambler.ru
88. onemanga.com
89. badongo.com
90. google.com.tr
91. 51.com
92. geocities.com
93. taobao.com
94. mediafire.com
95. ebay.de
96. megaflirt.com
97. ebay.co.uk
98. sexyono.com
99. apple.com
100. google.co.jp

# .org = 3
# .net = 1
# .fr = 4
# .cl = 1
# .co.jp = 2
# .com.br = 3
# .es = 1
# .ru = 5
# .com.mx = 1
# .cz = 1
# .pl = 6
# .us = 1
# .co.uk = 3
# .de = 2
# .co.ve = 1
# .com.ar = 1
# .com.co = 1
# .cc = 1
# .com.pe = 1
# .com.cn = 1
# .co.in = 1
# .ca = 1
# .sk = 1
# .hu = 2
# .com.vn = 1
# .co.hu = 1
# .it = 1
# .cn = 1
# .co.th = 1
# .com.tr = 1

 

[deleted984054565403]

49 out of 100 are .COM. 17 of the top 20 are .COM. There are 31 extensions on the list. Sounds dominant to me. :imho:

The only thing that comes close is .PL with 6.

I'm interested in seeing last year's list, though.

 

[smashfactory]

there is more to .com being king than an alexa list there are many factors in which .com dominates.
are other tld's and cctld's making some sort of mark? well sure, the internet is a BIG place- lots of room for everyone but- water will always be wet, britney will never wear underwear, and com will always be king.

 

[PowerUp]

there is more to .com being king than an alexa list there are many factors in which .com dominates.
are other tld's and cctld's making some sort of mark? well sure, the internet is a BIG place- lots of room for everyone but- water will always be wet, britney will never wear underwear, and com will always be king.

Yes, there are many factors. but i believe you agree too when i say the success of an extension depends very much on how many sites (or popular sites) are developed using that extension.

Everybody is familiar with dot com because so many websites we visit and services we use are from dot com sites.

So how do we see whether a particular extension is being developed more than the other extensions? One way is to look at traffic ranking. No development = no traffic = no ranking.

If we have last year's top 100 list, we could also see which extensions gained momentum, or see how fast .com is losing ground.

 

[smashfactory]

well, just looking at a different set of numbers- if you run a trend on com, net, org and pl- you can also see that .com is still on an upward trend of what people search out most on the web:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=.com,.org,.net,.pl

look at how com and net were so close at one point, and how they have went their seperate ways.

 

[ssamriga]

also there are like 10 google.(local tld) on that list, I doubt that shows any cctld strength, simply a lot of people live in Poland, Mexico, Brasil etc.

 

[bricio]

nice points broght by Etab and smashfactory

what i noticed, and i think it is important, is the fact some ccTLDs are ranked here are derivated from their dot com's, such as google.xx, yahoo.xx, ebay.xx and mail.ru (total of 26 ccTLDs), so i have a question

if they werent here and if you only had google dot com redirecting to their local pages in their local languages what would it be the other 26 sites?
and if until #126 there are other sites derivated from their original dot com bypass them

what i am trying to say is dot com is very strong and it is so important it determines ccTLDs development

BTW, orkut is #10 in alexa's rank due to brazilian traffic but we are not the only country there of course; brazil is #1 county at orkut

first .com.br is google; if we didnt have google it would be uol (#50)

 

[PowerUp]

well, just looking at a different set of numbers- if you run a trend on com, net, org and pl- you can also see that .com is still on an upward trend of what people search out most on the web:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=.com,.org,.net,.pl

look at how com and net were so close at one point, and how they have went their seperate ways.

If we look at the top 20 domains, .com occupy 17 of them. And I suppose no other extensions are capable of breaking into the top 5 (and stay in the top 5 for some time). This could be seen as an argument for why .com is king, because it is top of the traffic chain.

 

[bro]

also there are like 10 google.(local tld) on that list, I doubt that shows any cctld strength, simply a lot of people live in Poland, Mexico, Brasil etc.

Agreed, Basically 18 kids of google.com from that top 100 list :yell:

google.fr
google.com.br
google.pl
google.co.uk
google.de
google.co.ve
google.com.ar
google.com.co
google.com.pe
google.co.in
google.ca
google.sk
google.com.vn
google.cn
google.co.hu
google.co.th
google.com.tr
google.co.jp

 

[smashfactory]

also mix in there how many names are regged for each tld:

74,723,784 Com
11,187,777 Net
6,658,007 Org
etc...


how many google.com pages there are:
13,160,000,000 for site:.com
1,760,000,000 for site:.net
1,410,000,000 for site:.org
etc...


and domain sales- it paints a pretty clear picture concerning com

 

[Jeff]

Excellent thread ... I'll look for some older stats, etc. but two other quick points are that .COM is an established brand - and for any of these newer extensions to even make a dent in this .COM empire will require unique and compelling developments (specifically, corporate), major league budgets on advertising and marketing / promtions of those newly developed sites, effective branding (of, for the most part, unnatural new extensions), as well as corporate and mass adoption and usage, IMHO. The end result of this is that both time and mathematics are deeply against the new extensions ... they simply cannot catch up or even marginally compete with .COM's dominance in any of our lifetimes, in my judgement! :tri:
The downside to all of this - and I don't want to belabor the point using the example of the struggling "dot Mobey" (although it's the prime illustration of these downfalls) - is that many good folks / domainers will lose a LOT of hard-earned money in initial registrations and then renewals after renewals after years of renewals in the false hope that these new extensions could ever achieve anything more than vanity or teeny niche plays (versus the mighty goliath, the .COM)! :music: :imho:

Just my two sense.
-Jeff

 

[equity78]

At the end of the day all of these extension threads are really just about promoting an agenda to raise the value of ones own domain portfolio whether pro.com or anti .com IMO.

.com is the dominant extension worldwide, with international appeal both from the business community and the domainer community.

Of course CCtld's are important especially to their native population. Small companies within a country will have their CCTLD while larger multinational companies will probably have the .com and their native cctld.

Too many things get blurred, if you are developing a website then you are not a domainer in the pure sense of the word, how people think of the domaining business, which is to earn income from ppc and domain sales. That may change with the likes of the Snowe bill and other initiatives, but the pure domaining business is not about developing one site. So yes you can take a .vc and develop a great site and be successful. IMO that is all you should be concerned with, not look I am making $ with .vc so .com is losing its luster. It is not losing its luster, on the flip side its a big world so there is certainly opportunity in other extensions. Maybe you do not get .com money but regging net/org/mobi whatever ext you like, and selling for 30 to 500 times your investment is a great return.

Stick to what you know, Know what you do not know, and stay focused. Do not let forum discussions take you off track. There is not just one way to do things and debating the strength of .com is just taking focus off becoming successful. Balance is key. Again IMO

 

[Work In Progress]

Excellent thread ... I'll look for some older stats, etc. but two other quick points are that .COM is an established brand - and for any of these newer extensions to even make a dent in this .COM empire will require unique and compelling developments (specifically, corporate), major league budgets on advertising and marketing / promtions of those newly developed sites, effective branding (of, for the most part, unnatural new extensions), as well as corporate and mass adoption and usage, IMHO. The end result of this is that both time and mathematics are deeply against the new extensions ... they simply cannot catch up or even marginally compete with .COM's dominance in any of our lifetimes, in my judgement! :tri:
The downside to all of this - and I don't want to belabor the point using the example of the struggling "dot Mobey" (although it's the prime illustration of these downfalls) - is that many good folks / domainers will lose a LOT of hard-earned money in initial registrations and then renewals after renewals after years of renewals in the false hope that these new extensions could ever achieve anything more than vanity or teeny niche plays (versus the mighty goliath, the .COM)! :music: :imho:

Just my two sense.
-Jeff

Gotta agree with the first paragraph on this Jeff. If anyone thinks any other extension has a shot of overcoming .com in the next 20 years, PM me....I've got some prime swampland here in FL I'd like to talk to you about...

As for the second paragraph, I can't understand why you insist to bring up and belittle "dot mobey" in just about every post I see of yours. We all know how you feel by now... :zzz: To call .mobi struggling is simply a statement based on obvious lack of knowledge of the tdl, IMHO. How is it struggling any more than any other tld (including .com)? Every one of my mobi sites continue to bring in more unique visitors daily than the previous month. I had multiple "struggling dot mobey" sites with over 1000 unique visitors last month. One site alone had over 12,000 page views and nearly 3000 uniques. Not stratospheric numbers, but also not to shabby for a brand new site in a new extension that has not had a single penny spent on marketing. Even my parked mobi's are increasing in visits.

I would also like to note that, simply because of it's truly unique nature, Alexa will not provide proper .mobi stats. If I'm not mistaken, Alexa gets their figures from visitors who have an Alexa toolbar on their site. They don't have this available for mobile browsers (to my knowledge)...and when / if they do, how many of us will have it installed?

Yes, Dot Com is the King. Can money be made with the princes / queens / and even jesters? Sure. But, try as the might, they'll never have the Kings wealth...

 

[PowerUp]

.......... .COM is an established brand - and for any of these newer extensions to even make a dent in this .COM empire will require unique and compelling developments (specifically, corporate), major league budgets on advertising and marketing / promtions of those newly developed sites, effective branding (of, for the most part, unnatural new extensions), as well as corporate and mass adoption and usage, IMHO. The end result of this is that both time and mathematics are deeply against the new extensions ... they simply cannot catch up or even marginally compete with .COM's dominance in any of our lifetimes, in my judgement! :tri: ................
-Jeff

Your comment of "time and mathematics are deeply against the new extensions" and "they simply cannot catch up" sparked 2 thoughts in me.
1. If you can't beat them, then join them.
2. Has .com reached the critical mass and monopolized the *whatever* just like how ebay monopolized the auction industry?

 

[smashfactory]

just remember- a n y t h i n g can be over thrown. to echo ray:

Stick to what you know, Know what you do not know, and stay focused. Do not let forum discussions take you off track. There is not just one way to do things and debating the strength of .com is just taking focus off becoming successful. Balance is key.

 

[PowerUp]

Gotta agree with the first paragraph on this Jeff. If anyone thinks any other extension has a shot of overcoming .com in the next 20 years, PM me....I've got some prime swampland here in FL I'd like to talk to you about...

As for the second paragraph, I can't understand why you insist to bring up and belittle "dot mobey" in just about every post I see of yours. We all know how you feel by now... :zzz: To call .mobi struggling is simply a statement based on obvious lack of knowledge of the tdl, IMHO. How is it struggling any more than any other tld (including .com)? Every one of my mobi sites continue to bring in more unique visitors daily than the previous month. I had multiple "struggling dot mobey" sites with over 1000 unique visitors last month. One site alone had over 12,000 page views and nearly 3000 uniques. Not stratospheric numbers, but also not to shabby for a brand new site in a new extension that has not had a single penny spent on marketing. Even my parked mobi's are increasing in visits.

I would also like to note that, simply because of it's truly unique nature, Alexa will not provide proper .mobi stats. If I'm not mistaken, Alexa gets their figures from visitors who have an Alexa toolbar on their site. They don't have this available for mobile browsers (to my knowledge)...and when / if they do, how many of us will have it installed?

Yes, Dot Com is the King. Can money be made with the princes / queens / and even jesters? Sure. But, try as the might, they'll never have the Kings wealth...

Who knows? Maybe we'll see a .mobi or .asia in the top 100 in 2 years.
You stated that your .mobi increased in visitors. Is this due to the site being developed? Or because more people are aware of the .mobi extension? Were you able to see if these visitors who reached your site are browsing from their PC or mobile phones?

 

[Jeff]

Gotta agree with the first paragraph on this Jeff. If anyone thinks any other extension has a shot of overcoming .com in the next 20 years, PM me....I've got some prime swampland here in FL I'd like to talk to you about...

Thanks, Mark ... and I did mention above, "and for any of these newer extensions to even make a dent in this .COM empire will require unique and compelling developments (specifically, corporate), major league budgets on advertising and marketing / promotions of those newly developed sites, effective branding (of, for the most part, unnatural new extensions), as well as corporate and mass adoption and usage, IMHO" ... so I provide kudos to you on your developments and traffic, etc! :gl: :music:

But, how much assistance are you getting insofar as the other critical factors ... namely, corporate developments of generic .mobi's, major league budgets on advertising and marketing / promotions of those newly developed sites, effective branding, as well as corporate and mass adoption for the extension? At its present pace, and should it even survive to be a niche/novelty, how MANY YEARS will work against it (versus emerging mobile technologies favoring the .COM's)? This time is the key point here (along with the obvious difficulty of the branding of the "dot Mobey", IMHO.

Tick tock.
-Jeff

 

[hawkeye]

I can't understand why you insist to bring up and belittle "dot mobey" in just about every post I see of yours. We all know how you feel by now... :zzz: To call .mobi struggling is simply a statement based on obvious lack of knowledge of the tdl, IMHO. How is it struggling any more than any other tld (including .com)? ..

Jeff just enjoys ridiculing others investments in domains, and hopes to see people fail. This is someone who gets free reign here to post as he pleases, it does bring in peeps to read and watch, and all he does is criticize and belittle others investments. He never has anything positive to say on anything. He does his best to try to facilitate the down fall of any extension he doesn't like (check his previous history here with other extensions) (.asia your turn is next), and deflate others choices and courses. Despite his reduntantly overly worn out ridiculing and negative opinion of .mobi, he has to keep rubbing it in everyones face, be they newbies or oldtiimers, 'over and over and over', no matter the subject of the thread. The funny thing is, he supposedly only has 150 names, but never once posted or noted one worth more than reg fee here. But because he get's his free reign to insult others investments here, and has 25,000+ useless postings, some actually think he has some kind of insight to offer other than being able to use more smileys in a post than anyone would think of, or care to.

You would think that after 2 years of his ragging on the .mobi extension, he'd have other things to share here, but, I guess for him - Nothing is better than insulting, ridiculing, and spreading demented 'hope', to see domainers fail on something he doesn't like. It seems to be the only thing that makes him happy.

One sad little man.

 

[equity78]

I have no vested stake in .mobi I own one Transcendent.mobi so I am no Mobian, but it is beyond obsession IMO with this incessant mobi bashing. When they start a thread in Domain Discussion you tell them to move it to the .mobi section. Maybe you could keep the negative comments in the .mobi section Jeff. Not sure how this became a bashing.mobi thread.

 

[Jeff]

You would think that after 2 years of his ragging on the .mobi extension, he'd have other things to share here, but, I guess for him - Nothing is better than insulting, ridiculing, and spreading demented 'hope', to see domainers fail on something he doesn't like. It seems to be the only thing that makes him happy.

One sad little man.

^ No need for personal assaults, friend!

There's also the idea of trying to assist and warn the new and newer members of the Community of the potential downfalls in the new (of which .mobi is part of ... ) extensions, IMHO. If even one new or newer member thinks twice before registering what will likely be worthless .ASIA (or .EU or .MOBI) domains/YEARS of renewals, then I feel I, in some small way, benefited the community that I've so proudly been an active member of for over five years. :hearts: :imho:

Enjoy the day ... and please feel free to post further in the #1 Namepros .MOBI Forum! :talk:

My sincere apologies for discussing the "dot Mobey" ... as it relates to new extensions here in the general Domain Discussions Forum. I will better refrain in the future so as to not be attacked personally. :o
Thanks much,
-Jeff

 

[hawkeye]

[i ... and please feel free to post further in the #1 Namepros .MOBI Forum!
-Jeff

...and WHY??? YOU brought .mobi into a .com thread (as usual!), no one else! So you tell me to post in the .mobi forum!??!! Just sad...

 

[Jingles]

At the end of the day all of these extension threads are really just about promoting an agenda to raise the value of ones own domain portfolio whether pro.com or anti .com IMO.

.com is the dominant extension worldwide, with international appeal both from the business community and the domainer community.

Of course CCtld's are important especially to their native population. Small companies within a country will have their CCTLD while larger multinational companies will probably have the .com and their native cctld.

Too many things get blurred, if you are developing a website then you are not a domainer in the pure sense of the word, how people think of the domaining business, which is to earn income from ppc and domain sales. That may change with the likes of the Snowe bill and other initiatives, but the pure domaining business is not about developing one site. So yes you can take a .vc and develop a great site and be successful. IMO that is all you should be concerned with, not look I am making $ with .vc so .com is losing its luster. It is not losing its luster, on the flip side its a big world so there is certainly opportunity in other extensions. Maybe you do not get .com money but regging net/org/mobi whatever ext you like, and selling for 30 to 500 times your investment is a great return.

Stick to what you know, Know what you do not know, and stay focused. Do not let forum discussions take you off track. There is not just one way to do things and debating the strength of .com is just taking focus off becoming successful. Balance is key. Again IMO

Fantastic post. +rep given.

 

[gazzip]

:o Hmmm, You guys are getting a little feisty !


My honest opinion is that .com will always remain "KING" when it comes to overall sales price but many other extensions are valued more than the .com in other countries. (for use and sometimes sales)

ie: .de - .co.uk etc


JMO - So Please don't bite me :D


.

 

[Jeff]

JMO - So Please don't bite me :D

It's cool, and no worries ...

See you soon.
-Jeff

 

[hanny]

I feel .org is growing, .net is sinking, and .com will always be around.