The LLLL.com sales and discussion thread

[italiandragon]

Hello, I think it would be pretty useful to keep track of all LLLL.com sales , even the little ones under $100 so that , pretty soon , when the available LLLL.com will be finished , we`ll have a better idea on market prices.

It is important that these sales are confirmed. So before to post, make sure payment went OK.

I will start with todays` Sedo confirmed sales:

FISE.com 2,700 Euros
TSRT.com US $760
VEUP.com US $1,700


Also, I found interesting to see this average LLLL, getting bids up to $51 and reserve not me. It says it all.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...110154111735_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40QQfviZ1

 

[WORDSWORTH]

Today's drops were all taken within 8 minutes.

 

[snoop]

I'm quite astonished by your comment that it is not a good market. So tell me, when is it going to be a good market, when it hits $400 again, and only rises 1% per month?

When we see meaningful increase in prices, not down $400 then up $10.

The same argument was being run early this year in relation to low quality LLLL.com. People in this thread claimed the lowest quality LLLL.com's had bottomed in October because a couple of months later the lowest sales were a few dollars higher, (they had gone from $60 to $2 then $6) supposedly it was a good market, of course it was wishful thinking and most of these people claim things are improving or about to improve no matter what is happening. When the market falls they won't admit it until months after and when it rises by a trivial amount they claim every is all right. These people can't see past their own biases, that is often human nature when people have money tied up in something. All I can suggest to others is to ignore these types of people if you want to keep money in your pocket. Think rationally about what is happening. Whether drops take 10 minutes or 3 days to get picked up that is still a basket case market.

Here is Reece's description of the price rise, and many in this thread claimed the market had bottomed (I'm not suggesting Reece was claiming that though). Go back and look at the posts in this thread from that time.

The minimum wholesale was $2.00 in October, I feel confident suggesting it’s approximately $6.00 today, however I’ll be sure to post some results confirming those findings later this month. Even if we tack on a premium (which we should) to account for renewal, we’re still looking at a real appreciation of about 40% since October at the very low end, meaning anyone who bought in during October or November 2008 is sitting on a nice profit at present.

LLLL.com Market Appreciation

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Have you ever wondered, if you think this area is such a bad investment, why do you spend so much time on it. Forums naturally attract people who believe and have a keen interest in the subject. Something warped about someone who bangs on about how bad it is repeatedly:zzz:; why not use your time on a subject you believe in?

I'm hoping people will listen and not invest, I've been hoping that for 18 months <--That is a positive thing for those who listened. There is nothing warped about people who are negative on certain investments. The awful thing is those who kept telling people to buy into a crashing market.

 

[Lakshan]

CSIP*.com - 170$ at Snap

 

[WORDSWORTH]

Several LLLL.com names dropped today but they were all gone within 10 minutes.

 

[gladdy]

Wau, this went really cheap, congrats to buyer!

CSIP*.com - 170$ at Snap

 

[tetrapak]

When we see meaningful increase in prices, not down $400 then up $10.

The same argument was being run early this year in relation to low quality LLLL.com. People in this thread claimed the lowest quality LLLL.com's had bottomed in October because a couple of months later the lowest sales were a few dollars higher, (they had gone from $60 to $2 then $6) supposedly it was a good market, of course it was wishful thinking and most of these people claim things are improving or about to improve no matter what is happening. When the market falls they won't admit it until months after and when it rises by a trivial amount they claim every is all right. These people can't see past their own biases, that is often human nature when people have money tied up in something. All I can suggest to others is to ignore these types of people if you want to keep money in your pocket. Think rationally about what is happening. Whether drops take 10 minutes or 3 days to get picked up that is still a basket case market.

Here is Reece's description of the price rise, and many in this thread claimed the market had bottomed (I'm not suggesting Reece was claiming that though). Go back and look at the posts in this thread from that time.

Snoop, you were the one jumping in and telling the new lows of premium llll.com's whenever there was a single sale below the previous lowest. In that case you didn't care if it was $1-$2 lower, you only cared that it was going down. Now the inverse is happening, and you try to ignore it.
Snoop, tell me, do you really expect RAPID (meaningful increase) growth in any domain niche after recession? The llll.com's are constantly but slowly rising, and imho this is healthy, unlike the hype after the buyout. If the trend continues then premiums would hit $200 minimum price within one year, which sounds realistic to me.
Also, the drop from $90 to $50 (as you predicted) would have been a significant drop I assume (in my book it would be), but a rise from $90 to $120 is insignificant, right? Talk about logics.

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NJ Yesterday:

Varc $940

 

[Lakshan]

Wau, this went really cheap, congrats to buyer!

Im the buyer, :D

 

[Semtex]

I just received a call from an enduser for a triple premium+U. Their current site gets 50+ hits a day. I have never been put on the spot like this for any of my domains. 99% of my requests come from email. I didn't have enough time to research their current site and traffic, and she was really wanting a price for the name. Has this ever happened to anyone?

Anyways, I just shot out a $500 price tag for the name and told her she would have to pay for Paypal fees. She instantly said "yes, where do I send payment". Now I am getting the feeling that I should have said $1000. The weird thing is, I hold onto all of my emails to endusers, and I sent them an email back in January and they are just now calling me.



And just think Snoop, I paid a measly $25 for this name back in January and now I am getting $500 for it. Can you say ROI !! No you can't, because this niche is dead.

 

[Stian]

I just received a call from an enduser for a triple premium+U. Their current site gets 50+ hits a day. I have never been put on the spot like this for any of my domains. 99% of my requests come from email. I didn't have enough time to research their current site and traffic, and she was really wanting a price for the name. Has this ever happened to anyone?

Anyways, I just shot out a $500 price tag for the name and told her she would have to pay for Paypal fees. She instantly said "yes, where do I send payment". Now I am getting the feeling that I should have said $1000. The weird thing is, I hold onto all of my emails to endusers, and I sent them an email back in January and they are just now calling me.



And just think Snoop, I paid a measly $25 for this name back in January and now I am getting $500 for it. Can you say ROI !! No you can't, because this niche is dead.

This is where you say; "I'm really sorry but I am in the middle of something right now. Can you please send me an e-mail and I will get back to you as soon as I can?". That way you have time enough to do some research about the buyer and find out how much you can ask without risking to spoil the deal.

Either way, congrats with the sale!

 

[Semtex]

This is where you say; "I'm really sorry but I am in the middle of something right now. Can you please send me an e-mail and I will get back to you as soon as I can?".

I will remember that if I ever get a phone call again. I think I got lucky on this one. With a site only getting 50 visitors a day, do you think $500 was a fair price to offer? What does a domain sell for that gets 50 visitors a day. When she initially said where she was calling from I couldn't tell what she said because there was some background noise. I didn't find that out until she gave me her email address. I'm happy with profit anyday.

 

[WORDSWORTH]

I just received a call from an enduser for a triple premium+U. Their current site gets 50+ hits a day. I have never been put on the spot like this for any of my domains. 99% of my requests come from email. I didn't have enough time to research their current site and traffic, and she was really wanting a price for the name. Has this ever happened to anyone?

Anyways, I just shot out a $500 price tag for the name and told her she would have to pay for Paypal fees. She instantly said "yes, where do I send payment". The weird thing is, I hold onto all of my emails to endusers, and I sent them an email back in January and they are just now calling me.

And just think Snoop, I paid a measly $25 for this name back in January and now I am getting $500 for it. Can you say ROI !! No you can't, because this niche is dead.

Congrats on the sale. I would use escrow though rather than PayPal for a sale of this size.

 

[tetrapak]

Im the buyer, :D

That is really an outstanding buy congrats, and also congrats to FantasyCombine for the sale.

 

[Stian]

I will remember that if I ever get a phone call again. I think I got lucky on this one. With a site only getting 50 visitors a day, do you think $500 was a fair price to offer? What does a domain sell for that gets 50 visitors a day. When she initially said where she was calling from I couldn't tell what she said because there was some background noise. I didn't find that out until she gave me her email address. I'm happy with profit anyday.

Well, a lot of companies are aware that domain names are a valuable asset and they are also aware of "domainers" and how we (sometimes) set our asking price accordingly, depending on who's interested in buying our name. They won't hesitate to tell you that they're a "small company" if they think it can get the price down on the domain name.

I've even heard of huge companies using freshly set up "private" gmail accounts for the sole purpose of contacting a domain name owner.

Either way, you gotta be happy with profit no matter what.

 

[ianmcd]

Average sale prices on eBay during September were up against August's average. This is the third consecutive monthly price rise. Here's an analysis of trends over the past 11 months. As always, I've excluded domains selling for more than $100 as I consider them outliers on eBay. All averages below are based on trendlines calculated from weekly figures, so smoothing out irregularities.

Over the past 11 months mean prices fell at an average rate of about $1.41 a month, a total of $15.49 over the period. The trend showed a drop from $23.08 to $7.59, which is a drop of 101% based on the midpoint.

Over the past 6 months mean prices fell at an average rate of about $0.76 a month.

Over the past 3 months mean prices rose at an average rate of about $1.48 a month.

Monthly means were -

November $23.25
December $20.14
January $21.41
February $20.13
March $17.47
April $14.83
May $13.39
June $8.57
July $8.61
August $9.09
September $11.98

Average remaining registration fell over the 11-month period. This fall accounts for about 32 cents of the monthly price drop, bringing the effective price drop down to about $1.09 a month.

Average domain quality also fell over the 11-month period. This fall accounts for about 8 cents of the monthly price drop, bringing the effective price drop down to about $1.01 a month.

Here are the percentile trends for the 11-month period -

The 5th percentile fell from $9.89 to -$0.30, a drop of 212% based on the midpoint.
The 25th percentile fell from $13.22 to $2.21, a drop of 143% based on the midpoint.
The 50th percentile fell from $18.60 to $5.05, a drop of 115% based on the midpoint.
The 75th percentile fell from $28.17 to $8.85, a drop of 104% based on the midpoint.
The 95th percentile fell from $53.18 to $28.48, a drop of 61% based on the midpoint.

It's clear from the above that, although prices fell at all levels, the impact was felt most on lower quality domains and/or those with short remaining registration.

Three consecutive monthly price rises look quite encouraging. But before we get carried away, it's sobering to think that these increases still haven't made up for the massive drop between May and June.

Finally, here's what tetrapak said on Saturday about quad-premium prices -

FACT, the market has bottomed out in JUNE/JULY, since then the quads are rising 5%+ per month.

Note the similarity between tetrapak's conclusion based on quad-premiums and my figures based on lower-end domains up to triple-premium-with-no-bad.

 

[nicedomains]

I have weuv

Any thoughts? I like the 'WE' in it and the 'EU' but of course 'UV' is a pretty popular acronym too

 

[tetrapak]

Brilliant work Ian, I had no idea what is happening at over Ebay, thanks for the info.

NJ:

lsnl $150
esnl $213
sbbh $142

 

[Soofi]

This is where you say; "I'm really sorry but I am in the middle of something right now. Can you please send me an e-mail and I will get back to you as soon as I can?". That way you have time enough to do some research about the buyer and find out how much you can ask without risking to spoil the deal.

Either way, congrats with the sale!

well i got an email from REO related company asking for the price on a domain name but I played my part of doing the research and sent him an email saying I would consider reasonable offer :lol: and never heard back from him :P

 

[tetrapak]

NJ:

orpn $163

 

[Tim Schoon]

today on sedo:

Buni $1559
Raan $605

 

[ClayShumate]

today on sedo:

Buni $1559
Raan $605

Really like Raan! Great pickups.