The Line I Will Not Cross

[RogueWriter]

I think it is kind of sorrowful that the .com .org .info .us , etc... for the domain name VirginiaTechMassacre has been registered, and that the .com is apparently a for profit site - at least that's the way it looks to me.

Somebody out there is a sick, sick person, IMO.


So, there are still bodies being pulled from buildings, and someone is trying to make money off of them.

The .org looks like a memorial site, at least.

 

[movingconcierge]

You are STILL missing the point. No real, legitimate business is literally calling themselves virginia tech killers or virgina tech slaughter like the a sshat mentioned here. You're not going to see flower shops poping up on the corner of the school called tragedy flowers because its wrong. Your repeated attempt to justify it is tiresome and frightening at the same time.

Also, I've had this zeal for quite a while. Ever since some other turd introduced me to the song of the bottom feeder. That was long before you were here. I'm not moving anywhere, but I can move you if you like.

Since your karma is moving why not continue.

It does not matter if the flower shop is called Virginia tech flowers or Toms buds.

What matters is one minute the phone ain't ring'in, the next minute all hell breaks loose and the company quickly hires a team to grab all the money from the increased flower orders online and by way of phone.

Maybe with your new found zeal for goodness you can form a "fifty lashes to the turds" club. Don't forget to call the press, maybe the President will come. You never know when the turd stuff hits the fan, some may actually stick.

With all the news of the domain patrol and how accurate the press is these days, I am sure you will get positive coverage. Tell me when you are planning on the tar and feathering as I want to report it to the news.

Thats the mature thing to do. Plus we need the publicity.

 

[Mac1205]

I'm afraid there will always be people out there like that.

 

[circa1850]

I'm afraid there will always be people out there like that.

We don't have to be among them but some see no harm.

Since your karma is moving why not continue.

It does not matter if the flower shop is called Virginia tech flowers or Toms buds.

Not sure why you want to equate a legitimate business like your flower shop to this:

http://seung-huimassacre.com
http://choseung-huimurders.com/
http://seung-huishootings.com/

Domaining is a legitimate business. The above example? Yup, it's legit.

Why are we continuing to blame the press for the dumbasses in the above example to give the press something to feature on the news?

If the members keep saying that there is nothing wrong with regging catastrophic domains then by all means say that there is nothing wrong with re-directing domain names to penis enlargement sites.

The "blame the press" and "the press can capitalize so why can't we" speech is going no where. They will win and are winning the public opinion...News at 5 or NamePros.

How many domains did "the press" press register on this list:
http://isc.sans.org/domaincheck.html?type=ascii

In an updated announcement, phishing sites, scams, and trojan horses are being attached to these domains.

In their attempt to identify domains registered for the VT tragedy, the latest stats are as follows:

PARKED 448
UNRESOLVED 26
FRAUD 6
PHISH 1
FORSALE 43
QUESTIONABLE 36
CHARITY 2
INNOCENT 86
Total: 648

"INNOCENT" are legitimate businesses or entities who have happened to register a domain name with the letters VT in it, as an example HIVtesting and having been proven to be unrelated to the tragedy.

This agency can not keep up with the domain names. Looking at the recent updates on their site, they have identified another 450 domain names that are suspect...then another handful, then another 97...even their updates can not keep up fast enough. The last update was on the 19th.

The press...thats their job. Report the news.
Flower shops...thats their job.
Undertakers...thats their job.
Catastrophic domains...that our choice.

There are so many piss poor choices that have been made that it is the news media who are alerting the consumer to be weary of the scams along with all the bonehead registrations.

And thanks to all the negative news that the domain phenomenon has garnered, you can bet that there will be sweeping changes come about from all of this including government intervention and regulation.

And lets not forget we are going into an election year here in the states.

Politicians...that's their job.

 

[bbalegere]

I hope the domains are not used for profit.I hope it is used as a memorial site.

 

[xous]

Calm down,Take a few deep breaths, and try -- just for a moment -- to think of this situation with pure reason and logic.

You should not expect other people to conform to your moral standards or even a standard set of morals. You should not even expect people of follow the law -- there will always be people that walk the line, bend or break the law.

You, however, respect your own morals by choosing not to associate in business dealings and personal relations.

You should respect their right to live by a different set of morals, which may or may not conflict with your own, by being civil and not turning these individuals into more 'Charlie Wenzels'.

Personally, I don't think these individuals made the right choice but honestly I can't see why people are making such a big deal when News Networks, Talk show hosts (Dr. Phill, Oprah), etc. have built entire industries and careers on "bad news". Sure, they give back a bit after exploiting these people, sometimes of their own free will, but does that change your personal moral opinion of what is right or wrong?

finally, IMHO, this thread has the following outcomes:
1) Innocent people will be further exploited by News agencies covering this 'VT related topic'
2) In their rush to harm the individuals responsible for registering the domains they will undoubtedly inflict grief upon innocents in the individuals life.
3) The next time a event like this comes along, and regrettably there will be, someone that has seen the kind of publicity these names have attracted and view it as positive attention.

 

[goodkarmaco]

Xoux,

very well said,

It amazes me that a person who is disgusted that some domainer wants to register a name by profiting from this tragedy, gives responses that shows contol and judgement. If I was Gandhi, I would not be telling my followers to go out and be violent.

So what do they want to do to remedy the situation? More hatred and violence, " tar and feather them" and "run them out of town". Lol. That is the same attitude that is being denounced here! Its easy to denounce others and act all rightous and such. I am concerned that this talk about tar and feathering can grab hold of a few domainers and bad actions follow. I hope the comment was not a real threat.

What is the outcome of hatred? Look at the news.


Some are level headed folks here, and they see the big picture. The big picture is you can't make anyone do anything that they don't want to. If the search engines throw some sites that are ppc for this tragedy up and some surfers are clicking on those links, it is because they want that information. That is called free choice. No person is twisting their arm to click on those links. Besides that I doubt the domain owner is making much anyway as the pay per click would be very low on tragedy domains.

To denounce any site that makes a profit from a tragedy news event by contacting the media can hurt the domain business more than help it. I am not saying you or I cannot have personal viewpoints on this matter.

My view is if I want to search a tragedy and I land on a site that has pay per clicks, it will be my choice to click on those links if that is what I choose to do. Just don't take that choice away from me, because it bothers you!.

The standards that people set are based on their, not your or not my karma.

 

[movingconcierge]

You don't need a novel to navigate this issue because it is so clear and the solution is so apparent.

Those with so little morals that they actually look forward to picking blood money from a tragic loss of life by exploiting cheap methods of trickery, such as ppc landing pages on newly created, uniquely specific, domain names are so distasteful and lacking of good judgement that they should be removed from the industry and shunned until they show genuine remorse.

I further think sympathizers of the repulsive actions are worse than the offenders becuase they have the benefit of deeper thought and reflection.

I am not Ghandi. Neither are you.

No one here suggested anything violent. Comments about tar and feather was a metaphor. Also, if you took the time to read the wenzel story, you'll see violence was not the point of the story, restraint was. Lastly, don't confuse self-rightousness with publich outcry.

 

[RogueWriter]

Nice response, movingconcierge.

the .com of virginiatechmassacre has now been turned from a search browser into something that looks a lot more respectable.

The .biz now reads like this:
"Want to buy this domain? Contact [email protected] with an offer. Looking to sell ASAP. "

Yeah - I bet they are wanting to sell asap.

Several of the other extensions have SEDO parking pages.

I will have to take a little time to look at the .com, don't know if it changed hands or if the owner had a change of heart, or if something else is going on with the domain.

 

[kubativity]

There is nothing wrong legaly or morally with registering that name or any other name and trying to sell it. If you could sell it, good for you enjoy the money and dont make members of this forum or any other forum make you feel as bad as the actual killer. Sorry to say this folks, but you should have the right to register any name and sell any name. There are many business models that profit from other people's misfortunes that is just the way the world works.

 

[RogueWriter]

Sure you have the right to register any name you please, not one person on here has said you do not have that right.

You do NOT have the right to expect us to respect your decision, though, nor do you have the right to expect that we will not comment on our opinion of that specific opportunistic niche of domain registration.

In the real world, when you do something that the vast majority of humanity deems to be in poor taste, you are going to hear about it.

But by all means, you do have the right to chase all the ambulances you want. Just don't be offended when people refer to you as an ambulance chaser.

 

[movingconcierge]

I WILL SAY THIS LOUD AND CLEAR

There is nothing legally wrong with being a dirtbag, but you are, without question, morally absent. It is morally reprehensible that someone would want to profit off of the murders of 30+ people and you are equally reprehensible for condoning it, nay championing it.

You attitude is the one that is off, not mine / ours. If you want to test that fact, ask 10 people on the street, not in the industry, what they think of someone profitting from the murders at VT. Please, start with your mother first. Then come back and give us the foregone conclusion. (<< really that's just an exercise for you to find your bearing)

There is nothing wrong legaly or morally with registering that name or any other name and trying to sell it. If you could sell it, good for you enjoy the money and dont make members of this forum or any other forum make you feel as bad as the actual killer. Sorry to say this folks, but you should have the right to register any name and sell any name. There are many business models that profit from other people's misfortunes that is just the way the world works.

 

[Spade]

There is nothing wrong legaly or morally with registering that name or any other name and trying to sell it. If you could sell it, good for you enjoy the money and dont make members of this forum or any other forum make you feel as bad as the actual killer. Sorry to say this folks, but you should have the right to register any name and sell any name. There are many business models that profit from other people's misfortunes that is just the way the world works.

Kuba, Im going to disagree with you. There is something morally wrong with trying to directly profit from tragedy. Yes, I agree there are many business models that profit from misfortune (for example those check cashing / loan stores). They prey on people who are short on money, and charge rediculous rates. Is it right? Morally I dont think so but Legally its allowed. But I also see a difference between the check cashing place, and registering the domain of a tragedy like this. There are degrees of "wrong" and Im not sure exactly how to word it, but if there is a scale - registering a domain like this, would weight in heavily.

Justin

 

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Why not go and tar and feather these folks who own those names too. Some people say it is a tragedy how porn can wreck famileis so it to should be outlawed in their opinion? Hell, it sounds like we need a domain patrol enforcement group. I am sure many would be up for the job after reading this post.

Yeah, that would be a positive step huh?. Have a group of morally correct domainers badgering new registrants of names they may find offensive and try to ban them and get the names taken down. A few folks who want to devote all their time to cleaning up the business can do alot I suppose. I just wonder if all that time doing the reporting will give them any time to actually register domains.

All we need to do to find qualified domain people is ask them the question, " is this a line you will not cross"?

Oh it was a nice business ( domaining), until free choice was attacked again. It may be a morally wrong decison for most of us here to register certain names, but it still is a personal decision. Lets KEEP it that way!

 

[Spade]

It may be a morally wrong decison for most of us here to register certain names, but it still is a personal decision. Lets KEEP it that way!

Im not trying to regulate domain buying, Im simply disgusted with the actions of a select few. Since this is the internet, and their information is public, Im going to tell them what I think about it. If they didnt want to hear it? they shouldve made the domain private.

 

[movingconcierge]

Vicious, cold blooded murder != porn.

I don't know how you resolved this before posting, but you should come up with a better comparison if you want to defend these scumbags. I am not attacking free speech. I attacking those of you who choose to exercise that element of free speech. I can't stand it when people take free speech for granted, like it has always been there and always will. Stupid things like reg'ing hurtful and inflammatory names will be what puts an end to it, or severely restricts it. It should be treated like an honor store, patrolled by the rank and file so that everyone can continue to enjoy it.

Get a better argument or just find some decency.

 

[armin]

I think it is kind of sorrowful that the .com .org .info .us , etc... for the domain name VirginiaTechMassacre has been registered, and that the .com is apparently a for profit site - at least that's the way it looks to me.

Somebody out there is a sick, sick person, IMO.


So, there are still bodies being pulled from buildings, and someone is trying to make money off of them.

The .org looks like a memorial site, at least.

Lol that might be true, but there are lots of sick people out there.

 

[.X.]

i've never supported...and never will making money off other peoples bad fortune, but many people see $$$ signs when a hurricane hits and takes 100's of lifes, As well as this shooting spree that just happened.

 

[goodkarmaco]

Saying "I am not attacking free speech, I am attacking those of you who choose to exercise that element of free speech" is a great way to fool yourselves. If you choose instead to go on with your business and not be judgemental of others who make a different decision, then you can say you understand those words.

So like I say if you do not believe individual people should have free choice then keep on attacking those people. Personally I don't care as I don't reg tragedy names. But I do care about this communtiy. Its a very large community and I will hang out with those who have less of a rightous view of themselves. I may not be to fond of tattle tellers or of those who want to make trouble for others if they think the person has crossed the line regarding the free choice of regging names.

Your going down this road is divisive and I am not going to go back and forth about it as I know what the end result will be.

More and more whiners are making complaints to places like Godaddy or Afternic, or Google. Keep doing that and some day you will be saying, I am getting out of the domain business as I can't register names I like anymore. The names have to be "approved' by the domain patrol.


Don't label me as a person who registered names having to do with this awful event.

You can though label me as a person who believes we should mind our own business as regards to what someone registers. You can also label me as a person who will stand up for other domain owners when a group of people attack them only because they own names that are contoversial.

Holy water is still, just water. Try to sell it to someone else, I am not buying it. For that reason I will let you all continue on in your pursuit making trouble for owners of certain names. I have to think of how that attitude will hurt the domain business. But go ahead as you have free choice.

I think some here have such a lofty attidude that a almost mean streak is shown here. I find that zeal is at times a reflection of people who want to have everyone think like them. Since America is supposed to be where we make our own destiny, I never hang out with those who will not support freedom to choose.

I am not going to discuss this any further. Have a great day all.

 

[movingconcierge]

I think you are a talking head. Your (virtual) lips are moving but they're not saying very much. I'm over you. :wave:

Saying "I am not attacking free speech, I am attacking those of you who choose to exercise that element of free speech" is a great way to fool yourselves. If you choose instead to go on with your business and not be judgemental of others who make a different decision, then you can say you understand those words.

So like I say if you do not believe individual people should have free choice then keep on attacking those people. Personally I don't care as I don't reg tragedy names. But I do care about this communtiy. Its a very large community and I will hang out with those who have less of a rightous view of themselves. I may not be to fond of tattle tellers or of those who want to make trouble for others if they think the person has crossed the line regarding the free choice of regging names.

Your going down this road is divisive and I am not going to go back and forth about it as I know what the end result will be.

More and more whiners are making complaints to places like Godaddy or Afternic, or Google. Keep doing that and some day you will be saying, I am getting out of the domain business as I can't register names I like anymore. The names have to be "approved' by the domain patrol.


Don't label me as a person who registered names having to do with this awful event.

You can though label me as a person who believes we should mind our own business as regards to what someone registers. You can also label me as a person who will stand up for other domain owners when a group of people attack them only because they own names that are contoversial.

Holy water is still, just water. Try to sell it to someone else, I am not buying it. For that reason I will let you all continue on in your pursuit making trouble for owners of certain names. I have to think of how that attitude will hurt the domain business. But go ahead as you have free choice.

I think some here have such a lofty attidude that a almost mean streak is shown here. I find that zeal is at times a reflection of people who want to have everyone think like them. Since America is supposed to be where we make our own destiny, I never hang out with those who will not support freedom to choose.

I am not going to discuss this any further. Have a great day all.

 

[circa1850]

The argument of free speech and the news can do this and the news can do that is weak, old, and played out way too long now. They're profiting, he's profiting, she's profiting and I want my piece of the pie.

That is perception. The reality is we, as domainers and as a domain industry, are getting and are getting ready to get raked over the coals more than you care to realize.

The very news media that you are bashing is the same news media that are making all domainers and the domain industry like like a bunch of insensitive asses.

Yes that may also be a perception. But the reality is that is how it is being played on on every major network, internet news agency, magazine, and blog. The reality is regardless of you, your, my perception...that is how the overwhelming majority of every living soul out there that does not hear or read your words view this fiasco of domain names registered to feature a catastrophic event.

There is not a person aware of all these hollow words about the rights of domainers other than the very domainers on these forums. And most of them are not even tuned into this circus.

If you want to blame the news media, then damn well blame the news media.

Turn the tables on them.

Here is something I did yesterday:

MSNBC and Newsweek had an online tribute site to the slain students.

Here is what I saw.

BLAST AWAY HIGH CHOLESTEROL: 67 Points in 28 days.
Best Buy
Alzheimers
Lockheed Martin
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Fedex
Geico
TakeMeFishing.org
INGdirect
FedEx/Kinkos

Seven pages all with ads. Look at this crap. I am going to see what in the hell is on sale at best buy while discovering the lives of these folks. Wait, I am going to take a break and rush out to kinkos, then I'll come back and finish.

My favorite? BLAST AWAY HIGH CHOLESTEROL. How insensitive is that crap. There you go. Search engines matching up keywords.

You want to bitch about the media? How about bitching at the media.

If every person on this thread would take a moment to find a similar tribute site and send them a note saying something to the effect of:

It would be more respectful for the site to remove all ads and forego the revenue when presenting a tribute rather than fill seven pages with ads, have to dodge around boxes in the flow of the story, and being bothered by annoying flash mode ads while I am trying to read the story.

Whether you, me, we agree on the morality or not no longer seems to be the issue. The issue is now the damage the domain industry has suffered. Don't kid yourself for a moment that this will blow away. You have federal agencies and politicians running for office who will not let this blow away.

So put your energies to use, whether you agree that it is morally acceptable or not, and contact the very media we are all talking about and let them know how you feel. In other words, make it into a story.

Trust me, we (domain industry) are in the massive minority. For all the bitching and whining about sales and the talk that we need more people to learn about domaining and we need more publicity...

...you've got it.

Now deal with it.