The Line I Will Not Cross

[RogueWriter]

I think it is kind of sorrowful that the .com .org .info .us , etc... for the domain name VirginiaTechMassacre has been registered, and that the .com is apparently a for profit site - at least that's the way it looks to me.

Somebody out there is a sick, sick person, IMO.


So, there are still bodies being pulled from buildings, and someone is trying to make money off of them.

The .org looks like a memorial site, at least.

 

[fonzie_007]

Now his name will be forever smeared on the Internet. Has to find an employer that doesn't know what Google is...

Based on the sound of it, the kid is a little sh*t. I'm guessing he's been fed from a silver spoon for much of his life... maybe he's got a nice trust fund set up for him so he won't have to work. Who knows, but after the way he handled things on that thread, he is not only unethical and stupid, but down right a plain jackass. Charlie Wenzel, one can only hope you get smarter (you should have spent your college money on college rather than that truck that screams: "Look at me, I've got a small wiener!".

 

[circa1850]

Now his name will be forever smeared on the Internet. Has to find an employer that doesn't know what Google is...[/QUOTE]Funny, funny stuff. And aren't we just perpetuating the claim that he will live on forever on the internet.

Charlie Wenzel, one can only hope you get smarter (you should have spent your college money on college rather than that truck that screams: "Look at me, I've got a small wiener!".

A Wenzel Wiener.

 

[Alex]

Just did a search and found out that charliewenzel.com is registered, but the others are available.
I still think if it is a good idea to register charliewenzel.info. The guy would deserve a site about him. Anyway if you want then reg it. I will not have time and ability to develop.
Cheers,
Alex

 

[fonzie_007]

Someone used to have the .info registered. I believe there was a developed site on it for a while and then the domain must have dropped.

Wenzel wiener... I has a nice ring to it.

 

[sanlands]

Guys, this is simply an issue of ethics and business. Everyone has different ethics. Don't harrass them.

Don't force your standards onto others.

 

[movingconcierge]

We should all thank dsotmoon here for unleashing charlie on NP.

There was an ONLINE STORE selling defaming coffee mugs, tshirts, and the like for about six months. Could you just image...an online store selling your face on a fraud mug! OMG

Someone used to have the .info registered. I believe there was a developed site on it for a while and then the domain must have dropped.

Wenzel wiener... I has a nice ring to it.

 

[ownthisdomainnow]

Just for clarification, and not to throw stones.... More to make us think about where we all are.

Some others who profit directly/indirectly from disasters?

ABC
NBC
CBS
CNN
FOX
YAHOO
MSN
........
........

Certainly they are not registering names everytime something awful happens. But there is a way they seem to perk up when a 24 hour news event happens. Has no one noticed they try to use the most radical hooks to keep viewers stuck to their station?

The whole thing is pretty pathetic if you ask me.

Not offering answers, just more questions.

 

[Brand Herald]

A weasel yes but.....

Guys -

I would personally not register names associated with that massacre but that is me personally.

Nonetheless, America was built on the principles of freedom, as long as the pursuit of that freedom is not infringing on someonelse's rights. So it is a moral issue really. Whilst disagreeing with it, I respect his legal right to register it and profit from it. Not sure if legal right are the right words to use here but anyways....

There are far worst things happening each day on tv etc than registering a name like that. All those weight loss products, all those big pharmaceutical companies that push products that in many cases kill people or hurt them rather than help, all those bizopp opportunities that don't make money but take money from the old ladies with the pension etc etc.

Yeah, the guy is definitely a weasel for wanting to profit from this...no question but there is a way to deal with this.

Don't buy the name, don't click on the ads.

 

[circa1850]

http://www.namepros.com/1897145-post54.html

 

[goodkarmaco]

I think giving the guys address is wrong. Do you guys have any idea how many nuts are out there?

I once listed a relief name in Ebay and I actually got death threats for doing it. I will bet money this guy gets plenty of those now. Maybe he is a newbie. Is it fair he has to move now? How would you really feel if you had found out a newbie thought that the name was a good one to register. Then he gets brutally beaten or even dies from his attack, all because some person was disgusted.

Another thing, somewhere down the road a movie will be made out of this. Maybe you will own stocks in the movie company. Don't think people will pay to watch this? Not my cup of tea, but the movie company will look at it like another investment oppourtuntiy and the movie will gross millions. Might not be for ten years but they may want to buy a domain name describing this terrible tragedy.

Even the President is getting in on the action from the publicity by making comments on it. Yeah sure he is sick to his heart, the same President who lied to get us and the world into a war and deliberatly put our troops in harms way with over three thousand of them having persihed.

Newspapers will benefit by selling millions more copies as it is something everyone wants to read. The radio stations will get many more advertising dollars as more people will be glued to radio news as this unfolds. What about the resturants and coffee places and the motels and hotels in this town. They are busy now with reporters and looky lews. Are they donating those rooms, meals, flowers, gravesites, air flights?

If you were reporting this news and you had original news or pictures you would sell that infomation to the highest bidder.

Even undertakers will profit from this. I am in the florist industry and I know that flower orders are coming in from all parts of the world. How dare them profit from such a tragedy you say? I will bet you they are making more money than they ever have. Hundreds and hundreds many more times the money. Sure they can be sad at the same time they are taking wheelbarrows of money to the bank. Thats life I suppose, like it or hate it.

Lets get real here. Shaming other domainers who register legal names does this industry harm. If the name is a legal name, such as a person's name or an event that happened or a sex name and you have different opinions, well that is tough, it is not against the law and that is the domain business.

Personally I would not want any name like that myself, but that is my own view.


Free chioce is the adult way to view such ideals. Your choice is your choice, your expecting others to make your choice too is very controlling. To give a news media a way to shabbily report that domainers are a uncaring bunch who only want to profit from tragedy is a poor choice.

Many more people died today because some drivers have a cell phone glued to their ears while driving, then died at that college. I guess we are sensitive to certain deaths and desensitive to more common ones.

I really do hope this person can protect themself now that others know the address.

 

[RogueWriter]

goodkarma- 2 things, one I agree some idiot movie company is probably already scoping out the rights for the movie, and it will probably come out within 2-3 years. I find it repulsive, and I don't support movies like that. Two, please don't take cheap shots at the President, this isn't a political thread, and you are pushing an adjenda that I don't agree with.

 

[circa1850]

Lets get real here. Shaming other domainers who register legal names does this industry harm. If the name is a legal name, such as a person's name or an event that happened or a sex name and you have different opinions, well that is tough, it is not against the law and that is the domain business.

With all the negative press...newspapers, magazines, blog, even prime time television...reporting on this, it is apparent that it is the domainers (legitimate season pros as well as newbies) who are shaming the industry.

Let's do get real here...many of us have shot our selves in the foot over this issue. Those of us who did not take a shot at the regging have had our feet shot out from under us.

Reports indicate a flood of domain name registration related to this incident never seen before and far surpassing the previous record of Katrina domains.

Do you not think that all the negative publicity is going to have an affect and effect on the domain industry as a whole?

It don't think it is about you or me or several other members on here. But I know I for one am damn glad I do not rely on domaining or PPC for a living.

If anyone ever thought ICANN was doing a shitty job at policing registrars and domaining in the past, I have a feeling in the very near future you will be hearing more and more about ICANN and the need to place tighter controls in place. Or a more serious look at a new form of regulations enacted or even a new regulatory agency (quite possibly under government control) thanks to the countless scams and fraudulent donor sites being set up with these domains.

And lets not overlook or understate something else here...ICANN's fleeing to set up it's headquarters in Switzerland to escape prosecution in the RegFly debacle and other matters. Way to hang in there ICANN.

And VeriSign does what? did what? has what affect?

I fear that this is out of our control now because it is out of control. For those that may think I am crying wolf then by all means bookmark these statements and re-visit this thread in a year.

Every major catastrophe lately has been followed up with a federally appointed commission which investigate all aspects to the act, the aftermath, and the problems associate with the matter. I have never seen so much press regarding domain names in all my years of being involved.

Not one word of it is good and not one word of it is false.

 

[sanlands]

So because it's putting a bad name on domain names? Well now, lets report all the adult domain names then shall we.

 

[texasgamer]

Sedo and Namedrive both pulled/blocked the name ismailax.com from their parking.
Should they and other parking companies consider pulling all offensive/sensitive/controversial names as well?
Do a search on Sedo and you will find words relating to:
Murder
Rape
Child Porn
Ethnic Slurs
Porn
ect...

 

[movingconcierge]

The comparison of some turd to a legit news org who sends their reporters into harms way to get a the wolrd news is just fallacious. Fallacious and lame.

How about I register your moms name when she dies and I hawk trinkets and crap so I can make a few bucks. Is that OK? If so, PM me moms name and age. If you want you can include her hobbies. Maybe I'll theme the site.

{edit}Mom has to have died a tragic death, like a car accident or slip and fall...a quick moving disease will also be considered{/edit}

You see, it is all about leaving blood money on the table. God damn bottom feeders... Who cares who is doing what. You have to have a reading on your own moral compass.

 

[circa1850]

So because it's putting a bad name on domain names? Well now, lets report all the adult domain names then shall we.

If you want to focus in a miniscule piece of the picture, you miss the entire picture. Not sure what the "it's" you're talking about. To me the "it's" is the domain industry and domain registrants.

There are laws in place that attempt to regulate what is and is not pornographic or obscene. There are also international laws that strictly prohibit child pornography. Why? Because it is the exploitation of children.

If you do not see or think there is a difference in adult domain names or parked pages and what this subject is about, then you can stop reading.

Show me one headline within the last week that highlights and features an outraged citizen over an adult domain name?

You won't find them...yet.

Allow me to show you what could potentially become tomorrows headlines:

http://seung-huimassacre.com
http://choseung-huimurders.com/
http://seung-huishootings.com/

You're going to have to be quick because it appears GoDaddy is shutting it down. There was a total of 10 domain names all by the same person for sale on ebay and on another forum. Each redirected to a penis enlargement site.

Here are the keywords stripped from the bottom of the page:

dugum.com xxxdelite.com xboxp.com silver-night.com nasty-vixen.com cockrx.com supermr.comscarymovie5movie.com x9sex.com officialvegasnightlife.com compdog.com thor2movie.com ewebcoach.comprimericaweb.com eboneylovers.com x9cars.com avatarthefilm.com gaydelite.com equityloanstogo.comx9movies.com thebirdsthemovie.com evenbetterloans.com plumpcock.com x9wireless.com ebayprofitmachine.comx9cameras.com flamingchica.com scarymovie5themovie.com eloanshark.com x9loan.com chubbycock.commoviesdelite.com europesescortsguide.com onlinepokerhit.com x9spy.com ebaypowercars.com x9business.comfierychica.com xxxnerd.com egnaforum.com x9jobs.com casino-circle.com mac-dog.com spy44.comesexstores.com officialvegasvacations.com e9casino.com wetchica.com fetishchica.com reliableequityloans.comedgeiworld.com x9hd.com captainamerica2themovie.com lovelychica.com spiderman7movie.com esdpro.comofficialvegasrestaurants.com x9refi.com twistylove.com ezprods.com realhotasians.com xtremevixen.comecareerparlor.com x9fly.com bnwholesale.com lavenderkills.com spicychica.com escortswebcam.comx9pharmacy.com dirteestore.com transformers3movie.com explictbabysitters.com pro-lean.com xtremechica.comebuysale.com x9cash.com bestofhouses.com jessie-cam.com slutythongs.com eroticgallerygirls.com newgi.comx9mp3s.com

So there you have it. The adult themed landers for the Virginia Tech tragedy. Yup, now we have succeeded in bringing the adult domains into this spotlight.

Here's a nice keyword for children and minors: captainamerica2themovie.com.

Anyone on this forum own these? Maybe, but doubtful. Does it matter to the public who owns them? Not in the least. Will it matter to the press once they get a hold of this? Not in the least. Will is put a bad name on the domain industry as a whole? Again, look at the big picture.

I amazed at the arguments that many are making for the justification of the exploitation of a massacre. The media is making money on it so why can't we.

You can. Just be prepared to deal with the backlash.

I caution you. Don't blame the media. The media is blaming us. Who do you think will win that argument? Who do you think the general public is siding with? Do you think the general public will side with us and the views that so many have expressed...right here, right now on this forum? Or do you think the public is outraged at the reports I have outlined?

Do you still want to blame the media? Just as it is their job to report on the news as it happens, we (the domain industry) gave them even more fodder to feed the news.

Blame the media. Or go to this site http://isc.sans.org/domaincheck.html?type=ascii and email every registrant and blame them for allowing the media to take this faisco and run with it. Blame those registrants for disturbing and disrupting your lifestyle and violating your rights.

What the media and the general population see now is two groups of victims...those at the site of the tragedy and the general public being duped and defrauded and redirected...again. You can keep arguing the point but the evidence against us, as domainers, is overwhelming and damaging.

Sedo and Namedrive both pulled/blocked the name ismailax.com from their parking.
Should they and other parking companies consider pulling all offensive/sensitive/controversial names as well?
Do a search on Sedo and you will find words relating to:
Murder
Rape
Child Porn
Ethnic Slurs
Porn
ect...

I have a strong feeling that the outrage voiced by so many could turn the parking industry inside out. Look at the names I just posted.

The parking companies and registrars and ICANN have done such a poor job at monitoring themselves (even with all the legal mumbo jumbo filling their TOS) and have obviously forsaken their own policies for the sake of the buck...Yes, I think the public will demand changes. That same media attention we don't want will continue to haunt us as we go into an election year.

By Sedo's own terms:http://www.sedo.com/about/policy.php?page=domain_policy&tracked=&partnerid=&language=us

Offensive Material

Application of guidelines that have the potential of restricting free speech require careful judgment and consideration of a domain’s potential for substantial social, artistic or political value. Domain names that, in Sedo’s sole discretion, promote or praise hatred, violence, child pornography, racial or religious intolerance may not be listed for sale or parked with Sedo and will be removed once discovered by, or reported to Sedo without warning or notice to the domain owner. Users who continually attempt to list for sale or park domains in violation of this policy risk suspension or cancellation of their Sedo accounts. In addition, domains that promote organizations that endorse and/or encourage hatred, violence, child pornography, racial or religious intolerance may not be listed for sale or parked with Sedo. This includes, but is not limited to, domains promoting organizations such as the KKK, Nazis, neo-Nazis, or the Aryan nation.

If any of what you mentioned is on sedo, it should not be.

Again, the industry demonstrating very little self monitoring and guidance.

Where do I see these type of domains we are discussing falling? The two bold areas and one not mentioned...the publics' intolerance.

 

[lipps]

It would only be a good think if they took the profits and donated them to a fund to help the victims.

 

[goodkarmaco]

Domainers, the lowest of the lows

Lipps,

so all the hundreds of thousands of dollars of flowers orders coming in to the areas florists should be donated?

Yup, everyone who is making a red cent by catering to the crowd should donate the money. Fair is fair in my book. Like that is going to happen.

Every single florist shop in every city close to this massacre is swamped. They are on the phone begging large greenhouse growers to please deliver all the cut flowers you have. Extra price, we don't care, just rush the trunk loads of fresh flowers and bring all you have.

Maybe it is ok for florists to make hundreds of thousands of dollars in a week or two from a tragedy like this. What about the pizza companies, are they going to give away thousands of pizzas to all the reporters because they have a line they will not cross, ha ha. They are makng and rolling in the dough.

Its easy for us to say, I will never do that. If it was your job, you would do that. If it was your business you would do that also. Btw, plenty of folks are also benefiting from the business.

I guess the world just needs to know, no person is lower than the domain pro. God damn the domainer for making a few cents pay per click!. Lets tar and feather him!

Face it guys, that is what happens when thousands of people flock to a small city that is newsworthy. Money is made.They basically camp out and fill every room up every resturant up and eat and drink and spend money, untill they leave.

You may be driving a cab for a living and you are saddened by this tragedy, but at the same time, your wallet is getting fat, why? Because the person who drives the cab or is delivering those flowers is also making money.

To be fair for the domain owner to donate all his earnings from a tragedy domain, should not all people be expected to not make a profit when it involves a tragedy. Maybe every business, every person involved in tragedy should not make a cent either. So if we think a certain domainer is a piece of crap, lets also include everyone else in that assessment.

If a domain person was accepting any pay what so ever that was a direct or a indirect result that came by way of this killing spree, then that person is just as much a low life as the domainer who, God forbidding registered a domain name and placed it for parking.

He may not think like you, but he / she is only allowing people to find what they are looking for. Not my cup of tea, but that is basically all that is being done.

My point is this.. its not just domainers who are low lifes, its you, me, my neighbor, its everyone who profits from tragedy.

 

[movingconcierge]

I think your out of the box analogy would work if the pizza joint or flowershop and was called the virgina tech murder pizza company or the virgina tech slaughter and flower hut. The last thing these two bit punks are is business people.


Let's be clear about this. The turds who register these distasteful names aren't opening up businesses to provide any kind of real service. They are putting up a pup tent, painting it with the blood du jour, and sticking out their stinking poppers hat asking for chump change. It is the most disgusting, vile thing I could ever imagine.

I think we should tar, feather, and run these turds out of town. At least the town I live in. You and the rest of the turd sympathizers can go to.

 

[goodkarmaco]

Since your karma is moving why not continue.

It does not matter if the flower shop is called Virginia tech flowers or Toms buds.

What matters is one minute the phone ain't ring'in, the next minute all hell breaks loose and the company quickly hires a team to grab all the money from the increased flower orders online and by way of phone.

Maybe with your new found zeal for goodness you can form a "fifty lashes to the turds" club. Don't forget to call the press, maybe the President will come. You never know when the turd stuff hits the fan, some may actually stick.

With all the news of the domain patrol and how accurate the press is these days, I am sure you will get positive coverage. Tell me when you are planning on the tar and feathering as I want to report it to the news.

Thats the mature thing to do. Plus we need the publicity.