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If you read and comprehend the words I wrote, you'll see that I wasn't calling you "rotten" or "creepy" but I absolutely was calling the ICANN/New TLD process itself "creepy" and "rotten", which it absolutely is.
Just out of curiosity- what qualifies you to run the .music registry?
A background in sound engineering? Can you even read music?
You're selling this under the guise of "making a difference that matters for the music community. That is the objective" , so I assume you will be running this as a non-profit? LOL. Get fucking real man. This is a business proposition, pure and simple- and good, I say. I'm all for business and whether we like it or not, music is a salable product and there will always be a 'business' aspect to it because the artists have bills to pay too... Just step off the high-minded "it's for the music" bullshit and call this spade a spade.
Anyway, don't get defensive about this. The entire concept is very interesting, but it does beg some deeper philosophical questions that will need to be answered, as far as who we allow to fabricate and run custom TLDs- especially TLDs that convey a degree of authority by virtue of their right-of-the-dot keywords. It is just "whoever opens their checkbook, volunteers for the task and creates social networks of people who support the idea?" Or is there more to it than that?
Instead of running off crying that the domainers were mean and hurt your feelings and trotting out a bunch of tired old strawmen to tilt against, maybe consider this a mock trial for the questions that will need to be answered later on. So far, you aren't doing a very good job at answering any questions that are even slightly 'hard' in nature.
If you want to get defensive about something, then get defensive about paying $600K for music.mobi. Jesus Harold Christ, that was just EPIC lololololololol.
I thought everyone knew that the way to prosperity was by following a path that has been beaten time and time again (that path being .com). We all know that if it's internet related it must be .com or else be prepared to fail. I mean really can you imagine if someone actually tried to stray and do something new, think outside the box? Oh yes the folks who dream it and then do it are the reason we continue to evolve on this planet. I suggest that the folks who cannot see beyond the little blip known as .com, actually take a moment to think about the big picture. Who knows, it may actually be an eye opener for some!
dotmusic should be applauded for entering into this discussion as he had. No one forced him to. But this plan of his has far too many holes/flaws to succeed. Sell the .mobi and try to get a little cash back (as much as you can) and then WALK AWAY from business until you get a better idea of how to best spend $100,000. Again, good luck to you but until you find a fix to the issues, this ship will sink before it even hits anything deep.
You do make some valid point here. My view is that the millions of supporters are seething in the neophilia made from the prospected idea and nothing further. Look at Obama -- millions of ppl wanted him as US president and felt he was a change, a step in the right direction. Now most of his supporters on Election Day wish they had voted for someone--ANYONE--else. Aside from that, having support mean very little. The question is:Who'll be there to invest in this extension? Or if he doles them out exclusively, the .music would still be limiting in that not many would hear of it. I'm still confident that people would be most inclined to visit ozzyosbournemusic.com than ozzyosbourne.music. It seems like a fun idea but I honestly don't see it doing well in the end.
Read.what.I.wrote.
I think the likelihood of him 'redefining music' by controlling a TLD and developing some websites is next to nill, so little to worry about here, but you do raise a helluva good point here. It's one we're presently facing down in a profoundly smaller and much less ambitious way with Fingerstyle/Guitarists/com (which is literally days old).
Right now, admission criteria to the site results from the objective opinions of a few lifelong enthusiasts and practitioners, as well as a few of the artists themselves. If anything, we trend heavily a-conventional and strongly prefer artists who bring something 'new' to the table. This has irked a few 'purists' in the community. Seeing Claus Bossier Ferrari on the same page as Merle Travis makes a few people mad :D
With that said, should the site ever go the monetization route, who's to say that there wouldn't be temptation to more heavily showcase artists who play the guitars made by one of our sponsors? Or upsell the iTunes of artists who promise us a cut of the action?
Obviously, we aren't going to do any of that, but benevolence always dies off in time, while the systems themselves live on forever. You cannot create a system that only succeeds if the people tasked with running it are good natured. You have to presume that in time, bad natured people will weasel their way in and hijack it for their own gain. Handing over "music on the web" to the one guy who steps up with an open checkbook and a willingness to take on the task seems a bit creepy and kinda bespeaks to the sort of rottenness we can expect with these new TLDs....
"... and in other news, a multi-way bidding war has erupted between the governments of Palestine, Israel and a consortium of Investment Bankers from West Palm Beach to secure the rights to the newly proposed .Jews TLD..."
There was a lot that I was going to add here, in light of dotmusic appearing here at NP. But it had all been said pretty well above by the last several posters. I do wish you well but I think you're being zealous without thinking of the full scope of things. When the dust settles all you are doing is making a large website, with domains (using .music) given only to a select few. I need to point out that there is no real way to protect against fraudulent signups. And yes, I'm sure there will be others who'll argue this but let's face it: If I teamed with a guitarist and labeled us a 'band,' who would hold the dictation to prove/disprove our status? Who would be the All-Seeing Eye who would have the ability to label us as a real, legit band or 2 ppl who play instruments? And what if two local/underground bands have the same name? Let's say there are 2 bands that call themselves Black Cross. Who would get blackcross.music?
There may be more to your idea than we realize but from all you've said, the infrastructure you've been working on is nothing more than a website. A wikipedia for music? Anyone could reg wikipediamusic.com or similar and do the exact same thing. All .music seems to be is a way to regulate the website you're building and to pass out members' jackets to the bands a la "Look, I'm a member of this website -- and I got the domain to prove it!"
I truly wish you the best but your idea is nothing new (aside from the adding-an-extension part) and I really cannot fathom this taking off... at least without a few million for promotion. It'd be the quintessential Pyrrhic outcome, assuming it has enough life to make it to that plateau -- for all your hard work, the site might never yield anything to show for it, not even a profit.
I know this guy. His name is Costa Roussos.....And, trust me, this play is NOT remotely a play about simply owning a TLD registry, and selling registrations.
(Disclosure: I have no personal interest in the .music concept).
The way I see it, this is a bold paradigm shift move - right at the centre of one of the world's most dynamic & lucrative markets...ie Music.
Its a play to use the internet to merge all the overlapping elements of the music business (producer, distributor, promoter, & consumer) into one cohesive concept/portal.
The great challenge for music-makers (bands, individuals, songwriters) is to find a way to reach & connect with an audience. Get your music out there. Get it heard, and played - get branded - and, get people to pay to hear it.
The key channels, now, are the recording companies (and their distribution/promotion systems), online music d/l's (eg iTunes etc), and, independent bands trying to go it alone via the internet, or any other way they can.....Its fragmented. And, they all overlap.
The right .Music concept has the potential to grab and unify this global platform....become an online Mega-Mall for every aspect of the music business....The place you get your music branded, promoted, heard, discussed, d/l & sold, and exposed, to a global market....The go-to place that music lovers go to hear, see, discover, and download, emerging music, and established music.....But, much more....Dot Music could manage relationships...part-own copyright, manage & coordinate merchandise, drive the discovery of new bands/music, control distribution, interact with the global market in a hundred ways etc etc....All branded as '.Music'....And, .Music takes a clip from every aspect of it on the way through.
This .Music concept could (& will) forge partnerships with the EMI's, and the Sony's etc....It will build a massive following of millions of music lovers (they already have 1.3 million supporters - and, they haven't even got the .Music extension yet!) ....And, it will be a core channel for emerging bands to brand themselves, and get global distribution...
If iTunes can make hundreds of millions of dollars by offering simple downloads of music clips, imagine what a concept could do if music clips were only 10% of what .Music could be....
Oh, yes....This is much more than an 'extension' registry play. This is a play for the future of how music is found, sold, distributed, and managed.
This is a billion dollar play.
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I didn't read any further.
Let me apologize if anything I've said thusfar has personally offended and offer whatever help and service I can.
You should still read further... but that's the closest to an apology I've ever read from you. Wait. It *was* an apology!
I'm even more intrigued because it appears I've totally misjudged the overall rationale to this whole platform. I think it would be truly awesome to have dotMusic continue to post here (obviously not at the same frequency as today) because I think this whole venture really looks opening up the whole internet in ways we the laypeople may not see or understand. We're touching on an internationally established monopoly in an arena "music" that touches ever single remote corner of the entire world - I'd go as far as saying each and every person.
I find the range of comments interesting; particularly those that fail to be able to see anything from outside the scope of "what a TLD is" and what it "represents".
I give incredible kudos to ANYONE who undergoes ANYTHING of this MAGNITUDE irrespective of how much money is involved - even more so if they are open and transparent about some of their dealings. I *will* say that based on what I've read the transparency is mandatory for success - you're talking about music, you're talking about people's creativity and passion. Of course I accept that there is always going to be the secretive element because I believe this is a powerful move and a bold statement and I'm sure that others with even deeper pockets would love for this to fail.
I, for one, really appreciate the level of candor and attentiveness this thread has received from Constantine. It's a breath of fresh air to read such an interesting thread.
Thanks for the link, excellent read.
I didn't get the part in why he wanted the .music. Was it something to do with the Harvard statement "Do something, to make it count"...Which doesn't make much sense.
Maybe one day if I keep working hard I can also attain a non existent extension!
Brad
There are arguments everywhere about the length of extension, despite its relevance. "The museum industry is big, so let's make .museum!" "EVERYONE has a cell, so .mobi is perfect!" (The former was a joke. Are museums -- or airlines -- a big enough industry on the web to merit their own extension?) I'm guessing this guy thought, "Everyone listen to music so .music will be a hit!" It'll have about 7 million registrations its first year (99.999999999999999999999% by investors) and by that time the next year, practically every .music will be dropped and then we'll see about 200 of them registered a year.
Watch for this to flop miserably.
Exactly Randy, that is why i made the comparison with .mobi...whe mobi came out and i saw all this"investors" i thought hey reg one or 2(despite that i am glad that i didn't reg more...)well, look at all the 3 LLL mobis now what are for sale for a fraction of the original buy....lol
Same will happen to the new extensions....the only one i think could have some value though would be .inc, .llc (not .xxx) lol....but we will see
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Liquid
And surely you could have anything on a .music. But it's long, hokey, and WAY too simplistic. It'll never catch on and we'll see no more than 250 developed .music sites in the future. 99.9% of all registrations will be from investors. It'll suffer an epic fail and no one will be to blame. It was simply a stupid idea.
He's not going to use .music as a typical gTLD. What he's doing is actually very innovative and potentially EXTREMELY lucrative.
He's not going to just sell you YourBand.music. He's going to sell you YourBand.music and board that onto his platform that will market and sell your merchandise, your tickets. I'm sure his ultimate goal is to turn that platform to his advantage by acting as first an agent and ultimately producer.
He's not going to use .music as a typical gTLD. What he's doing is actually very innovative and potentially EXTREMELY lucrative.
He's not going to just sell you YourBand.music. He's going to sell you YourBand.music and board that onto his platform that will market and sell your merchandise, your tickets. I'm sure his ultimate goal is to turn that platform to his advantage by acting as first an agent and ultimately producer.
The problem he faces is that the people that make money of records don't have to deal with 3,000,000 shit bands. They just sign the good ones... and the good ones won't fall for some platform BS *unless* it provides them owner rights... (or maybe I just give people too much credit for understanding that the money is in OWNING your own songs).
How do you actually know that he will be EXTREMELY lucrative...don't forget the initial investment of a big chunk of money, well 600k for a mobi...and now he is chipping out another 100k(at least to own his own dot??)...of course we will see, i wish him the best but like i stated earlier he would have been better off to buy music.com lol
Cheers
Liquid
How do you actually know that he will be EXTREMELY lucrative...don't forget the initial investment of a big chunk of money, well 600k for a mobi...and now he is chipping out another 100k(at least to own his own dot??)...of course we will see, i wish him the best but like i stated earlier he would have been better off to buy music.com lol
Cheers
Liquid