The Falling US Dollar

[billinchina]

The US Dollar has been falling in comparison with other currencies around the globe for quite a while now. Congratulations Canada, our dollars are the same now (actually yours are worth more than US dollars).

Things are starting to make sense. Rising stock market at record highs. Rising oil prices at record highs. Rising real estate at record highs (well, except for a recent dip). Dollar goes down, prices go up and records are set.

I see purchasing power being eroded as inflation skyrockets for certain items.

So, if things continue, be very excited about rising PPC and rising domain values. However, since dollars will probably be worth less, perhaps you will be no better off.

Just my observations...

 

[gou]

This won't be a valid comparison. 1 year is a short time period.
In 1913, gold was worth $20 and the Dow traded at $75. Today, gold trades at $730 while the Dow trades at $14,000.

 

[SLL]

This won't be a valid comparison. 1 year is a short time period.
In 1913, gold was worth $20 and the Dow traded at $75. Today, gold trades at $730 while the Dow trades at $14,000.

Gou, I would agree with you. Trends can only be seen over longer time periods, and I would feel more confident over a longer time period, but this is the time period he wanted and if we go out any longer no one will probably want to track the comparison.

Please see my earlier post as to why this comparison should be gold vs. the U.S. dollar.

It is interesting to note that your comparison above of the Dow and gold shows that the Dow was 4x the gold price in 1913 and is now 19x the gold price 94 years later. This of course does not factor in the dividends paid each year on the Dow stocks.

 

[goldensword]

i m actually hating the falling dollar.bcoz i m in india and the dollar is depreciated the most against the rupee.but the prices here have not adjusted to them they are the same.my earning are getting drained day by day

 

[pergamon]

This won't be a valid comparison. 1 year is a short time period.
In 1913, gold was worth $20 and the Dow traded at $75. Today, gold trades at $730 while the Dow trades at $14,000.

I think it would be wiser to compare it starting from the late 1960's when we abandoned the gold standard and entered in the paper mode.

You will see that before WW2 The Dow didn't do very much and gold was pegged at 35$ for 50 years. It wasn't traded freely.
It took people who bought stocks during the Great Depression more then 25 years to get their money back!




I am simply playing the system. Playing the ponzi dollar scheme and converting from time to time a bit of these dollars into something the dollar used to be. Everyone should make their own decisions. I cannot predict the future but I know what the weather will be like tomorrow. Fair enough for me

You have stated often on this thread that money=debt, and that the reason the dollar has dropped worldwide is because the FED/Treasury has been printing too many dollars. So let's compare the dollar to other worldwide currencies. Pick the yen if you prefer.

I have consistently stated that I feel the dollar is oversold, or put another way, is undervalued.

The name of this thread is "The Fall of the US Dollar".

I have also stated many times that if the market expected inflation to be increasing out of control (and rates to shoot up in response) the S&P 500 would not be rising (it hit an all-time high yesterday).
There are other reasons that explain the dollar's fall, but I believe that the speculators have pushed the dollar far into oversold territory.

We have barely touched on the stock market in our discussions, and you have already inferred that the rise in the stock market is being manipulated by the "easy money" of the United States.

If you are going to insist that this comparison be done with gold vs. the S&P 500, then I am afraid no one will care what the outcome is, including your ally in these discussions GoodKarmaCo.

But again, I will state that in any comparison of gold to dollars, at the end of the year period you must increase the value of the dollar by 4-5% for the interest I would receive for holding/saving dollars for one year. This is the only true way to compare the two, as I would receive no interest for holding gold.

That's comparing the devil with satan. All fiat currencies are the same. The difference is in the policies of the central banks. Therefore I'm realy only interested in comparing gold with the S&P500 which reflects the monetary policy of the USA perfect. Lower interest rates will it let go up, a rise in the interest rates will let the S&P500 go down.

I don't want to be impolite but you have to name a cow a cow. If you ignore the fact that the huge money supply from the past years doesn't have fueled the stock markets...well then there is few to discuss. Please read again the 4 pages about how an excess supply of US$$$ by the FED has led to about every asset on this planet shooting through the roof. From houses to stocks. From copper, coffee, oil, sugar,... and yes even GOLD.

 

[SLL]

"You will see that before WW2 The Dow didn't do very much and gold was pegged at 35$ for 50 years.

Therefore I'm realy only interested in comparing gold with the S&P500 which reflects the monetary policy of the USA perfect. Lower interest rates will it let go up, a rise in the interest rates will let the S&P500 go down."

I feel like I am repeating myself and going in circles.

We have already ascertained that gold was artificially fixed/priced at $35 for a long period of time. But in 1913 gold was worth $20 an ounce as there were $20 gold coins floating around in the economy during that time until the late 1920's. If the coins were worth more than $20 they would have been melted down and sold for more.

Also, U.S. interest rates have been increasing for 4 years and the S&P 500 hit a record today. Stocks move up over the long-term when there is a stable, growing economy, irrespective of the movement of interest rates.

When there is greater uncertainty in the market as to the direction/stability of the economy, then the stock market will retreat.

I believe though that my time on this thread has come to an end.

Take care, Steve L.

 

[bertiewooster]

It'll all be academic soon when they foist the "Amero" on you. That's apparently going to be your complement to the Euro once the dollar has been destroyed.

Texans especially are waking up, but the Canadians are on the ball too. The goal is to merge America, Canada and Mexico into one "super state" like the European Union. Unbelievable? Yes. But if you think it can't happen you are VERY wrong.

It already is. (Google North American Union as I don't want to clog up the post with too many links. This is gonna be a loooong post as it is! )

Yes, it's treason, but unless more people wake up to what's going on the US is finished as an independant nation. Just as European nations are almost done for.

I've been telling everyone I know to buy bullion, because that's the only thing which will be worth a damn. What's coming will make the Great Depression seem like a cake-walk.

Consider these words:

"The bankers own the earth. If you wish to remain the slaves of bankers, and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money." ~ Sir Josiah Stamp, Governor of the Bank Of England, 1920's

"There is no more direct way to capture control of a nation than through it's credit (money) system." ~ Phillip A. Benson, President of the American Bankers' Association, June 8th, 1939

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the Nation will accept the New World Order" ~ David Rockefeller

“What I'm saying is that a crisis is an event which can force democratic governments to make difficult decisions like those that will be required to create a North American Community. It's not that I want another 9/11 crisis, but having a crisis would force decisions that otherwise might not get made.” ~ Robert Pastor, 2006

"We shall have world government whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World government will be achieved by conquest or consent". James Paul Warburg, Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations, 1921 - 1932, before the U.S. Senate, February 17, 1950

"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men, their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism and religious dogmas".
Brock Chisolm, former Director of the World Health Organization

"If the people were ever to find out what we have done, we would be chased down the street and lynched." ~ George H. W. Bush speaking to White House reporter Sarah McClendon in 1992

Consider the gold-fringed flags in your schools and courtrooms:

"President, Dwight David Eisenhower, by Executive Order No.10834, signed on August 21, 1959 and printed in the Federal Register at 24 F.R. 6865, pursuant to law, stated that: "A military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a yellow fringe border on three sides."

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flag.htm

Do you understand the sheer ENORMITY of what they have done? If they can get away with that, what else can they conceal from you - indeed the world?

The US has been under Martial Law for a very long time, but for some reason there is a pretence otherwise. When they are ready to move, everything will be in place.

Understand something. THIS IS NOT ABOUT POLITICS. Both "Right" and "Left" are involved. It's not even about America - they've already got Europe and the UK in the bag. America stands in the way because you are an armed populace. They MUST get those guns off you.

Here's a highly decorated police officer who has formed an organization to educate Police and Military what is coming. Basically telling them if they are ordered to disarm Americans "for their own good" to consider what they'll do.

Open Letter To Police and Military Personnel

The Google vid below shows the Phoenix FBI dept, in it's brochure, wants people to snitch on those who "defend the US Constitution against federal government and the UN" as they are now classed as "right wing extremists", and need to be monitored as "potential terrorists". Can't get any clearer can they?

If you love your Constitution and are distrustful of your government and the UN, they'll be watching you. You'll be considered " mentally unstable" and under the new "Freedom Commission" mentally unstable people must be medicated on a compulsory basis.

Be warned there are some very graphic images at the beginning showing the damage depleted uranium is doing (which the Americans admit they are using, against international law).

Seriously, watch it. Especially if you are American.

One Nation Under Seige

Cheer up though. It appears to have been prophesized the world over. Google 2012. And the Mayan Calendar. Every 26,000 years the Precession of The Equinox ocurrs, forming a Cosmic Cross when the planets line up. The Earth is at the centre of the Galaxy. How AWESOME is that? Virtually every culture on Earth has some prophecy about it. The Mayan Calendar is the most accurate in the world, and their "9 Hells" came to an end in 1987. We will be "in-between" world until December 21st 2012. In other words The Apocalypse. Yes THAT one. LOL! After that, who knows, the Mayans have it blank, but they are adamant it's "transformation" and not the "end". Though there will be terrible destructions first and possibly a magnetic pole flip (there is scientific evidence that it is likely, and there is a Solar one due in 2012).

Incidentally, this global warming is BS. ALL the planets are mysteriously heating up and it looks as if it's the Sun which is changing. The solar winds stopped for 2 days in 1999 and that news was sat on for 3 years. They still don't know why it happened.

Anyone familiar with Revelations might recall the End Times are close "when Babylon is rebuilt". Known to you and I as Iraq. The Mark Of The Beast will mean one "cannot buy or sell without this mark". Google "Verichip" and "RFIDS". People have already been implanted with these. Before they take hold the National ID cards will do the job. They have the chips and you won't be able to do much if you refuse one. No bank accounts no travel, on your way to being a non-person. People take the easy option so they'll soon cave in.

Hopi prophecy has the end near when "spiders webs are woven in the sky". Ever really looked at the sky? Those strange jet contrails that are far too low and spread out to cover the sky in haze and "funny looking clouds". Sometimes they form grids and X's bold as brass. Google "Chemtrails".

Still, on the plus side, the Blue Star Kachina has not been sighted yet, which is possibly Sirius, coz when that shows it's time to leave the stage according to the Hopi. Dr Paul LaViolette's work has some cosmic nasty heading our way about then, and we'll see it first as a "blue star".

Welcome down The Rabbit Hole!

Sleep tight!

 

[goodkarmaco]

yeah,

pleasant dreams...

 

[bertiewooster]

Allegedly Katrina was a 'dry run' to see how people would react to being herded into detention camps, during a State Of Emergency. As we know, most went like lambs.

What isn't widely known is that they confiscated the guns beforehand. Regardless of your 2nd Amendment rights, one way or the other they have to get your guns off you. I guess this answers Jack McLambs question to his fellow officers about which way their guns will face if asked to violate their Constitutional Oath and disarm lawabiding citizens. Most will apparently "follow orders".

See the brave cop punch an old lady to get her gun. They are breaking the law, are violating your Constitutional right to bear arms, and therefore THEY are the "Enemy of State". Every tyrany in history has disarmed the population first.

Watch your backs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

 

[goodkarmaco]

Sll points to gold being pegged at $20.00 and ounce and the coins during that time being $20.00. The coins carry a weight of one troy ounce. Then he states they would have been melted down if they contained more than that in gold weight.

Thats exactly what happened. When the U.S wanted to stop gold being a back up for the currency, ( this would allow them to print any amount of money) they wanted every American to turn in all those gold $20. coins. Folks knew by then that, ( as the years went by and the paper money became more and more) that the dollar was loosing value. Smart people did not want to let go of their gold. Guess what they were giving for exchange? Fiat money.

The patriotic, like a bunch of sheep turned in their gold coins for the pretty fiat dollars. The smart people held onto their gold coins, buried them or traded them for goods in an underground atmosphere.

Those who keep their gold did not loose purchasing power.

This scene has repeated itself with every paper boom cycle the American goverment ran up. As more debt accrued in each administration, people did indeed turn in their gold coins to smelters to be melted down. Not to be turned in and melted down by our government but turned in and melted down in private smelters where the owner of the metals would receive the the metals true worth.

In one inflationary time period when our government sold us into debt so bad we just about lost our way of life thru inflation the gold and silver came out of storage, attics, cupboards and everywhere else the precious metal was sitting. Why not when the dollar tanked and silver and gold shot thru the roof as panic ran thru every state in the U.S. That time period was 1979. Silver was $50.00 and ounce and gold hoovered at $800. and ounce

What would you do if silver was $2.00 and a week later jumped to $50.00. You would do what alot of people did, you would turn in your gold coins, silver tea pots and old coins and have them sent to the smelter.

Millions of old GOLD COINS were melted down in that crash of the U.S. dollar and every crash of the currence before and since then. Just ask any coin store owner about the currency crashes in the past and how that affected bullion prices.

Another point, that is precisly why a smart person wants to buy the bullion coins, so many have been melted down in past money collapes that the coins are much rarer than when first minted and that too makes bullion based gold or silver coins more valuble.

Don't be mislead by economist's who cantor on about how stable our money is. They are either heavily invested in or tied to the banking system in one way or another.

 

[gou]

I think it would be wiser to compare it starting from the late 1960's when we abandoned the gold standard and entered in the paper mode.

Gold was worth around $43 in 1968 while the Dow was at around $250.

 

[whitebark]

It'll all be academic soon when they foist the "Amero" on you. That's apparently going to be your complement to the Euro once the dollar has been destroyed.

Texans especially are waking up, but the Canadians are on the ball too. The goal is to merge America, Canada and Mexico into one "super state" like the European Union. Unbelievable? Yes. But if you think it can't happen you are VERY wrong.

It already is. (Google North American Union as I don't want to clog up the post with too many links. This is gonna be a loooong post as it is! )

Yes, it's treason, but unless more people wake up to what's going on the US is finished as an independant nation. Just as European nations are almost done for.

Good to see someone so on the ball. You bet there Canadians who see this coming - see my sig - Traitors all right. Once enough Canadians are told that our dollar which is now worth more than the US dollar is going to disappear while helping the US absorb their horrendous national debt you can bet there will be riots in the streets... after lots of beer and hockey of course.

There is zero need for Canada to join anybody - we have more oil and fresh water than we could ever use. Our federal government has turned over a decade straight of huge billion dollar surpluses, and many of the provinces have as well - especially Alberta. Our national debt has decreased by nearly $100 billion in the past decade.

NAFTA was good for corporations and piss poor for most everyone else in all three countries.

But about that sinking dollar - it's costing many of us money in some places and saving us money in others. I live 5 minutes from the US border so I can fill up in Washington state and pay Canadian dollars for their cheap gas. I save $25 on each tank of gas!

 

[Deaol]

Yes, The "Amero" I posted this alittle while ago.. for all that haven't watched it..

Watch It

 

[bertiewooster]

I was given a link to a thread on a traders forum recently - and I wish I had bookmarked it becausae it was eyepopping. These guys were all pro traders, y'know..'puts' and options and all that stuff.

Anyway, they were scared spitless about some trade that had just been placed. They kept saying "it can't be real...surely it can't" and some of them got on the phone to their office to find out if it was a mistake. Apparently their boss sounded 'shaken', and this scared everyone to death.

The trade was apparently a bet that the market was going to crash big time. I mean REALLY tank. If they were wrong they stood to lose a BILLION DOLLARS. The consensus was that nobody bets that kind of money without being VERY sure of their info.

It was pointed out that the last time such movement had been seen in 'puts' was immediately prior to 9/11. Speculation then was that they were going for Iran (Cheney seems determined to drop a mininuke on them) or some other major event was due to happen. Scary thing was that they judged it had to happen within a few months for the trade to be pulled off. This was in September. Others thought the Chinese might be attempting to crash the dollar.

Wish I could find the link again because I'm dying to find out if any more info has popped up.

I think they are definitely going for Iran. They appear to be working to A Plan, and it centres around the middle east. Particularly Israel. Many Jews are getting out because they can see what's happening. Loads of 'Jews Against Zionism' sites popping up. Poor buggers are about to be sacrificed again. But, then so are the rest of us.

The North American Union is apparently scheduled for 2010 - as whitebark mentioned when it dawns on people there'll be riots in the street. The Americans have guns, but they'll try something to get them to surrender them before that time.

The South American Union is already well under way - they are already talking of setting up a Parliament for it like the European Parliament. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6995

I think Australia and the Asian region is next on the list. Once they have all those sewn up, they can control us quite easily.

1984 is really coming.

Yes, The "Amero" I posted this alittle while ago.. for all that haven't watched it..

Watch It

That's a good vid, people really should watch. I download all these and burn them to DVD.

Unfortunately getting people to watch them is an uphill struggle.

 

[bertiewooster]

It might be more than just a mad power grab to enslave the world, bearing in mind the timing re the Precession, Mayan Calendar, Revelations and other prophecies etc, and all that may entail.

It isn't just the world economy which would crash if they nuke Iran - we are talking WW3 here. The whole Muslim world will be out for blood.

Look at this:

General Albert Pike [1809~1891] 33rd degree, Sovereign Grand Master of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Free Masonry, Co-Founder of the Ku Klux Klan and Supreme Luciferian Pontiff. .. in a letter to Mazzini, August 15th, 1871. This letter graphically outlined plans for three world wars that were seen as necessary to bring about the One World Order, and we can marvel at how accurately it has predicted events that have already taken place.

Status of Document: There is contention as to whether or not this document ever existed, been supressed or destroyed, so this is the 'reputed' history - This letter was on display briefly in the British Museum Library, London, and it was copied by William Guy Carr. Carr was a former Intelligence Officer in the Royal Canadian Navy and detailed this letter in his book 'Satan: Prince of This World', 1928. Carr learned about the letter from Cardinal Caro y Rodriguez of Santiago, Chile, who wrote 'The Mystery of Freemasonry Unveiled' 1925?.

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the 'agentur' (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the 'agentur' of the 'Illuminati' between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion.

"We shall unleash the Nihilists and the Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute Atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

(BTW terms like Communism were coined long after, allegedly by these same people. The Bolsheviks were Zionists but by changing the name to Communism their origins became forgotten. Nazism was also coined by them allegedly.)

Now consider these words from David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

""No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation."

Just because I don't believe in that dude, doesn't mean those in power don't. Could certainly be said they are preparing the way!

We live in interesting times. Insane, but interesting!

http://www.911kemet.co.uk/nwoquotes.html

 

[pergamon]

It might be more than just a mad power grab to enslave the world, bearing in mind the timing re the Precession, Mayan Calendar, Revelations and other prophecies etc, and all that may entail.

It isn't just the world economy which would crash if they nuke Iran - we are talking WW3 here. The whole Muslim world will be out for blood.

Look at this:

General Albert Pike [1809~1891] 33rd degree, Sovereign Grand Master of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Free Masonry, Co-Founder of the Ku Klux Klan and Supreme Luciferian Pontiff. .. in a letter to Mazzini, August 15th, 1871. This letter graphically outlined plans for three world wars that were seen as necessary to bring about the One World Order, and we can marvel at how accurately it has predicted events that have already taken place.

Status of Document: There is contention as to whether or not this document ever existed, been supressed or destroyed, so this is the 'reputed' history - This letter was on display briefly in the British Museum Library, London, and it was copied by William Guy Carr. Carr was a former Intelligence Officer in the Royal Canadian Navy and detailed this letter in his book 'Satan: Prince of This World', 1928. Carr learned about the letter from Cardinal Caro y Rodriguez of Santiago, Chile, who wrote 'The Mystery of Freemasonry Unveiled' 1925?.

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the 'agentur' (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the 'agentur' of the 'Illuminati' between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion.

"We shall unleash the Nihilists and the Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute Atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

(BTW terms like Communism were coined long after, allegedly by these same people. The Bolsheviks were Zionists but by changing the name to Communism their origins became forgotten. Nazism was also coined by them allegedly.)

Now consider these words from David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

""No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation."

Just because I don't believe in that dude, doesn't mean those in power don't. Could certainly be said they are preparing the way!

We live in interesting times. Insane, but interesting!

http://www.911kemet.co.uk/nwoquotes.html

Please don't turn this thread in a conspiracy thread because that will harm everything that has been written in the past 5 pages. 9/11 has nothing to with the fall of the dollar. And please leave all the new world order theories at home. Bush is doing everything to make the USA a third world order country so there goes that theory. This was a nice thread stated with many facts. What you write is 95% nonsense. Thanks

 

[bertiewooster]

>>And please leave all the new world order theories at home. Bush is doing everything to make the USA a third world order country so there goes that theory. This was a nice thread stated with many facts. What you write is 95% nonsense. Thanks<<

Hmm, it was Bush Senior who first put you on notice that they were intending to bring in a New World Order. You can't have a Super Power in this One World Government, so far from detracting from the theory (more than a theory actually) it enhances it. Of course the US is intended to become a Third World nation, they're hardly going to convince their citizens it's in their best economic interests to merge into a Superstate with Canada and Mexico otherwise are they?

Hate to break it to you, but this isn't just about the US.

Here's the link again as you obviously didn't bother clicking it: http://www.911kemet.co.uk/nwoquotes.html where they tell you their intentions FROM THEIR OWN MOUTHS. If you hadn't jumped to conclusions you'll note that apart from the url, 9/11 isn't mentioned on that page.

What YOU believe, and what they are TELLING YOU their intent is, are two different things.

Oh and by the way, if you watched the One Nation Under Siege vid above, you'll see CLINTON was a prime mover in pushing along the NAU agenda. Ignoring that and making it all about Bush, just makes it about your own political beliefs.

This thread relates to the dollar and why it may fall, and therefore it is on topic. So, I guess you are a Mod and get to say what people can and can't mention in relation to this?

Okaay.

 

[pergamon]

No I am not a moderator but I suggest one removes your posts to a seperated thread about conspiracies. There will always be people who still believe that Elvis is alive or that no man ever landed on the moon. What's next. Were you abducted by aliens?

 

[bertiewooster]

Wow you are really offensive. Ad hominem attacks when you don't like the way a discussion goes?

Was it you who mentioned the Money Masters videos earlier? I have watched them, and they are excellent. However, tell people what they are about and they treat you exactly as you are treating me, with ridicule and scorn. "What, a banking conspiracy? Hahaha don't be ridiculous!".

Silly man, you are obviously fearful of being thought a "conspiracy nutter" too, and so are projecting those fears on to me. Like it or not dear, you ARE a conspiracist in the eyes of Joe Public. Deal with it and stop attacking others in a futile attempt to make your own stance look more sensible.

If you are not a moderator I would suggest you don't have the right to try and control the tone of the discussion. If nobody picks up the leads I give, then I won't have a need to respond. Therefore if this angle is not of interest, it will soon whither on the vine without your intervention.

 

[pergamon]

Wow you are really offensive. Ad hominem attacks when you don't like the way a discussion goes?

Was it you who mentioned the Money Masters videos earlier? I have watched them, and they are excellent. However, tell people what they are about and they treat you exactly as you are treating me, with ridicule and scorn. "What, a banking conspiracy? Hahaha don't be ridiculous!".

Silly man, you are obviously fearful of being thought a "conspiracy nutter" too, and so are projecting those fears on to me. Like it or not dear, you ARE a conspiracist in the eyes of Joe Public. Deal with it and stop attacking others in a futile attempt to make your own stance look more sensible.

If you are not a moderator I would suggest you don't have the right to try and control the tone of the discussion. If nobody picks up the leads I give, then I won't have a need to respond. Therefore if this angle is not of interest, it will soon wither on the vine without your intervention.

Me a conspiracy nutter? Don't think so Bertie. I consider people who question 9/11 as being an "inside job" or work from some mysterious new world order club MENTALY ILL. There are places enough on the internet to "discuss" all that "evidence". What I do know is that you were just tring to be provocative. I don't think you're gonna win many souls here for your theories.
And BTW: What have the Ku-Ku Klux clan, the Mayan calendar and WW3 to do with the Fall of the dollar?

 

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>>Me a conspiracy nutter? Don't think so Bertie. <<

Sorry, but you believe in a banking conspiracy else you wouldn't have recommended the Money Masters - which IS a conspiracy video. Just because you have become convinced of the legitimacy of that, it doesn't stop being a conspiracy in the eyes of others.

>>I consider people who question 9/11 as being an "inside job" or work <<

You are the one bringing this up btw. Obviously conspiracies you like, like the banking one, you don't consider a conspiracy - whereas others do. Everything you don't like though is lumped in as one. Not very logical.

BTW most of your 'top brass' in the military and intelligence, and some of the worlds top engineers are now starting to express doubts. Sept 23rd 7 CIA veterans added their voice to: http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

Are you seriously claiming these people are mentally ill?

>>from some mysterious new world order club MENTALY ILL.<<

So most of the luminaries in your society past and present are obviously mentally ill too. I'll speak very slowly here: it. is. THEY. who. mention. this. New. World. Order.

People of this calibre: "In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all." - Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.

>>There are places enough on the internet to "discuss" all that "evidence". <<

Yes, the same places where the Money Masters videos are discussed.

>>What I do know is that you were just tring to be provocative. <<

Actually I wasn't. Until you came stomping in with your jackboots. I confess your attitude has irritated me a little.

>>I don't think you're gonna win many souls here for your theories.<<

Not my theories. I just gather information and try and piece it together. If all these 'elite' movers and shakers keep telling me they are intending setting up a new world government, and their actions appear to bear this out, it'd be a bit...well... foolish of me to ignore what is right in front of me.

>>And BTW: What have the Ku-Ku Klux clan, the Mayan calendar and WW3 to do with the Fall of the dollar?<<

Did you read all my posts or just jump to the last one? The KKK has no connection as far as I'm aware, it's the 33rd Degree Mason that's of interest. The architects of this NWO are often 33rd Masons. (Most of the bankers in the Money Masters were also Masons incidentally) You know your Founding Fathers were all Masons right? From the Money Masters, you should know that crashing the dollar is a real possibility and as a precursor to bringing in the Amero and merging America, Canada and Mexico, the dollar must be sacrificed.

The Mayan Calendar has everything to do with the whole 'jigsaw'. None of this has come out of left field. In certain quarters - well most cultures around the world actually - a major market crash is expected (which would occur with a dollar crash) - as are all the climate changes ocurring. Even all the satellite surveillance and microchipping is in there - Revelations I believe, 'Mark Of The Beast', can't buy or sell without this blah de blah.

So while you might choose to see the falling dollar in isolation, and maybe as part of just a banking conspiracy to put the US in the poorhouse (what, it's just about you guys??) I'm choosing to put it in context of the bigger picture to try and make sense of what is going on. They didn't just wake up one day and say "hey, wouldn't it be a blast to take over the world".

I pay attention to what THEY THEMSELVES tell me, and their actions, to try and figure out what is going on. I'd only be decieving myself if I looked at parts of the jigsaw in isolation, or dismissed parts I didn't like.

Even the disappearing bees have relevance - crops fail, world economy crashes etc.