.tv State of the Union - DOT TV

[localexperts]

Normally Raymond would make these comments, but Ray is no longer the moderator. Ray and I speak often - we are meeting on thursday. So I feel that we both share the same sentiments.

If you are developing your DOT TVs - then who cares about the DOT TV forum, Verisign, me, or anyone else

If you are domainer, then you have chosen a higly speculative investment. In the long run, it will probably pay off - provided you have chosen wisely. If you have confidence in your reg, then you can ignore all the intangibles.

However, if you don't have confidence in your reg or if you regged to flip your domain within a few months - then I suggest you head for the exit doors - if you haven't proceeded there. Dropping a domain isn't the end of the world.

I spoke to Igal in 2007. Igal owns one of the best DOT TV portfolios in the world. He told me, he regged a bunch of bad dot tvs - he was going to let his bad ones go - but for the really good ones - he was going to stick to his six and seven figure asking price and if he had to wait 2, 3, 4, 5 or even 10 years - that is what he is prepared to do.

I would suggest that advice can apply to a wide audience.

Either believe in yourself or you don't

But don't blame DOT TV because you wanted to make fast money and don't know what you are doing.

Sermon over.
George Pickering

 

[snoop]

Snoop I recently sold a hand registered domain with ZERO TRAFFIC that NEVER got an offer that was registered 8 years

ago that sold for 30K ... is this sustaining losses ? ... same thing can happen with non-premium .TVs.

Now tell us about the ones you haven't sold. What counts is overall profit, total income minus total spend. Lots of people have sold individual names here and there for a profit. Very few have a genuine profit on their .tv buys though.

 

[localexperts]

Why would someone want to wait 10-20 years for a POSSIBLE profit. It's not even likely..

That is a personal decision. You might think that way, not every thinks that way. If you still believe in DOT TV, you better have a gut check and plan to stay for 3-5 years. Otherwise, cut bait and go.

 

[cityforums.com]

Now tell us about the ones you haven't sold. What counts is overall profit, total income minus total spend. Lots of people have sold individual names here and there for a profit. Very few have a genuine profit on their .tv buys though.

The ones I haven't sold I either send traffic directly to affiliate programs, park (I will kick this bad habit soon)

develop or put on the to develop list. Sure I drop or sell .coms when plans change or I loose interest in a direction

but I always have moved forward. About .TV this is the SECOND time I took a little bath ... most people on this .TV forum

weren't around when .TVs first came out and participated in that speculation period ... but I was able to pick up good .TV

with no premiums that fit the extension and that I may want to develop and that are worth holding.

 

[localexperts]

Quality to me is defined into three categories

1) Professional domains (Photographers.TV, Contractors.TV)
2) Geo domains (Charlotte.TV, VirginiaBeach.TV)
3) Wedding domains (WeddingReception.TV, Banquet.TV, WeddingGowns.TV)

all three are areas where I have 10 years of experience. For me that is quality, COMEDY.TV - would not be quality in my book.

 

[snoop]

The ones I haven't sold I either send traffic directly to affiliate programs, park (I will kick this bad habit soon)

develop or put on the to develop list. Sure I drop or sell .coms when plans change or I loose interest in a direction

but I always have moved forward.

Like I said, tell us about your overall profit. You told us about one sale but that is only the revenue side.

 

[Cate.tv]

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[snoop]

Quality to me is defined into three categories

1) Professional domains (Photographers.TV, Contractors.TV)
2) Geo domains (Charlotte.TV, VirginiaBeach.TV)
3) Wedding domains (WeddingReception.TV, Banquet.TV, WeddingGowns.TV)

all three are areas where I have 10 years of experience. For me that is quality, COMEDY.TV - would not be quality in my book.

Taking say contractors.tv as an exmple, the reg fee is $1000 so how could that be considered a quality name? I'd say it is no better quality than the average .tv registered 5 minutes ago. You state you don't think comedy.tv is a quality name but clearly it is worth quite a bit of money? The reg fee is $50. At the end of the day surely quality needs to come back to value? What other unbiased measure is there?

 

[cityforums.com]

Like I said, tell us about your overall profit. You told us about one sale but that is only the revenue side.

I never had a year where I lost money so far ... I keep costs low ...

I mostly redirect traffic DIRECTLY to affiliate programs ... no development no seo, no software costs all free time ...

 

[localexperts]

George NOW is the time to stock up ...

lots of good deals out there ...

just bought about 10Ks worth of .coms this month.

I am stocking up. I've purchased $2,000 in DOT COMs this month.

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Taking say contractors.tv as an exmple, the reg fee is $1000 so how could that be considered a quality name??

At my last company I launched our home improvement business that made $1,500,000 a year when I left the company. That is how that is a quality name (for me). I know that business.

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You are missing my point, stick with what you know or what you believe has value.

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You state you don't think comedy.tv is a quality name but clearly it is worth quite a bit of money? The reg fee is $50. ?

I can't make money with COMEDY.TV. It might as well be $5, unless I can sell comedy leads - I can't use it.

 

[MicroGuy]

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[localexperts]

PestControl.TV - I spent $3,000 buying that domain. In fact, that is how I found NPs when someone on this board trashed me. Well I have a deal with a large national Pest Control company, did work with NPMA, and was a NPMA partner at my former company. We made $10K in pest control leads every month.

I know that business.

Once again, stick with what you know or what you believe in.

I get it that PestControl.tv is worthless to everyone but maybe a handful of folks. For me, it is worth alot of money as a great brand I can use to promote out pest control business.

 

[snoop]

I never had a year where I lost money so far ... I keep costs low ...

I mostly redirect traffic DIRECTLY to affiliate programs ... no development no seo, no software costs all free time ...

although I am developing a few and more in the coming year or so. I can't reveal specific numbers ... but life is good. :gl:

Then you have a model that works, that is not the case for most and what we are hearing in this thread is people suggesting speculators should sustain losses for 10-20 years.

I guess the following could be said,

-For the people making a profit there is no issue.
-If you are making a loss it is probably time to stop. Probably no amount of time will cure it.

 

[localexperts]

what we are hearing in this thread is people suggesting speculators should sustain losses for 10-20 years..

WRONG!

What you are hearing is to either GET OUT

or approach it with the mental model that you better be in it for the LONG HAUL.

Seriously, don't spin the thread.

That message has been pretty consistent.

STAY or GET OUT?

But if you STAY - you better be willing to STAY for the LONG HAUL.

No one suggested that people SHOULD stay. I did SUGGEST you understand the current conditions.

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-If you are making a loss it is probably time to stop. Probably no amount of time will cure it.

I agree, if you do decide to stay - then stay for the long haul - stop bitchin every six months with every twist in the marketplace. Otherwise GO.

 

[cityforums.com]

Then you have a model that works, that is not the case for most and what we are hearing in this thread is people suggesting speculators should sustain losses for 10-20 years.

I guess the following could be said,

-For the people making a profit there is no issue.
-If you are making a loss it is probably time to stop. Probably no amount of time will cure it.

Yes ... if you making profits you can afford to speculate for the long term and have a different perspective ...

if you are bleeding now, you will be dead if you don't stop the blood from leaving your body :cy:

 

[localexperts]

What other unbiased measure is there?

How much money I can make with the domain. After all, we agree that is alll about making money - right?

 

[cityforums.com]

How much money I can make with the domain. After all, we agree that is alll about making money - right?

Its ALL about the money George ... we have a biase for domains that make money or that will make money :]

 

[snoop]

How much money I can make with the domain. After all, we agree that is alll about making money - right?

That is a biased measure because most people have lofty/often unrealistic ideas on their heads, "how much money am I making from these domains" is more the point.

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Yes ... if you making profits you can afford to speculate for the long term and have a different perspective ...

if you are bleeding now, you will be dead if you don't stop the blood from leaving your body :cy:

Yes, I think that sums it up well.

 

[localexperts]

Fine, how much money HAVE I made in a certain space. That is not biased.

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Perfect example, people who think they can reg a DOT TV domain and live broadcast weddings.

NO WAY you can make that work with raising money to market your service and you will probably lose money marketing your service until you find the effective message and channel.

I have more brides on my sites than anyone on this board.

And have I launched live broadcasting service for our wedding domains? Nope

YOU don't have a chance in the world to compete against the wedding sites. The minute we launch, we can swamp any startup whose only business is Live Broadcasting weddings

See this is what people missed in the DOT COM bomb. Many of those sites/brands were nice features - but not standalone businesses.

That is why so many DOT BOMBs failed.

Seriously go to AllWedding.TV. I have 1,000+ brides I can market live broadcasting weddings. That is just a small fraction of your overall audience. I might be able to generate an extra couple hundred $$ casting weddings.

IT IS NOT WORTH IT TO ME.

So many people have overinflated views of their domains and their business model. IMHO.

Great on paper, great in concept, not practical - I see this over and over.

 

[jeffoverman]

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[snoop]

So many people have overinflated views of their domains and their business model. IMHO.

Great on paper, great in concept, not practical - I see this over and over.

Yes, I agree.