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shop.app ranking above shop.com according to Alexa

Labeled as new gtlds in Domain Industry News, started by Alessandro Couteau, Apr 9, 2021

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  1. Alessandro Couteau

    Alessandro Couteau Top Contributor VIP

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    Technically you’re correct, however on the basis of what everyone knows let’s just refer to .com as the TLD

    And thanks for the comment, I am enjoying this one because it proves another point I’ve made

    http://domainincite.com/26561-verisign-says-it-needs-web-because-com-is-running-out-of-names
     
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  2. henrypcyeung

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    1. I don't know what triggered you. I just said renewal price is irrelevant in ranking and you agreed that. But you suddenly became mad and mentioned even more irrelevant stuffs like number of registrations.

    2. It is you that went off topic and said stuffs unrelated to Alexa ranking. Other members were logical that mentioned stuffs related to ranking such as website content and advertising. I didn't stop them.

    3. You are illogical. It is possible that a domain of a non-top-20 ngTLD beats its exactly matching .com. Also, you made conclusion based on suspect. Are you kidding me?

    4. You are really illogical that always think different things as a whole and then keep or dump them as a whole. Do you think if the OP thinks like you, it can show the example? Do you know not all ngTLDs have high renewal prices? Do you know .app has multiple pricing tiers? Why just because shop(.app) has $2,000 renewal price, then you say no to all ngTLDs? Do you study each ngTLD to make conclusion or investment decision? Do you know there are some ngTLDs having growing trends? You may be happy with your logic, but sorry that your logic is totally nonsense in the world, especially in the investment world.

    6. My quoted average selling prices are on a yearly basis. Should it make more sense to reply me the number of sales per year? One more nonsense case of you. Also, did you study statistics? Do you know what average means? Do you know >30 sales is large enough to be statistically significant? If you look into each ngTLD, you will be surprised that the yearly average selling prices of some ngTLDs such as .app and .club are $2,000-$6,000, much higher than that of .com.

    7. I went off topic because I replied to your off-topic posts. The student class example was just to show how illogical you are. If you did not go off topic and were logical, I would not show the student class example at all.
     
  3. MadAboutDomains

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    No I didn't agree generally and still don't agree. I agree that it is not something that affects shop.app because its owned and operated by a huge corp that is putting it to work.

    If the extensions did better they would have more domains with a high alexa ranking. Simples.

    If you're so fussed about it show me some examples then!... Other than shop.app or other than ones that just don't have an Alexa rank for .COM. Obviously.

    I didnt understand the first two sentences. Yes I am aware of these things, again assumptions about me based on nothing. I choose not to invest because its my money and my decision. Again... I said that if an extension has high renewal prices then I don't think it's good for organic growth of the extension. No mention of all extensions or all domains, that was just made up in your own head.

    Please share the extensions that don't have high renewal pricing.

    To my knowledge you haven't quoted any average selling prices. The lack of investors is also statistically significant. You can attack me all you want but you're not exactly making your case stronger by doing so. The prices would have to be higher to account for the yearly renewal prices that the owner has has to pay to cover their costs. Imagine all of those other sales that haven't happened because of the pricing.

    Challenge: Don't mention the word illogical in your reply and tone it down a bit. We're trying to have a civil conversation here.
     
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  4. henrypcyeung

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    1. You sometimes agree and sometimes disagree. I really don't understand what you said. Probably no one here knows what you said, except you.

    2. What a wrong statement. It is the consensus that extensions have no effect on ranking. .Com domains can have very poor ranking as well. What's more, the OP does not discuss how many extensions having domains with high ranks. It is about a domain of a ngTLD has better ranking than its .com version. Please don't go off topic again.

    3. Your logic was seriously wrong. I just wanted to correct your illogical thinking and was not intended to show you examples.

    4. You said that ngTLDs as a whole has high renewal price and you showed a chart to mention the decreasing number of ngTLD registrations, and then concluded that ngTLDs are not attractive investments. Now you say that you are not mentioning all ngTLDs. Your mind is ever-changing. Also, organic growths of extensions are nothing related to ranking as well.

    There are some ngTLDs having $10-20 standard renewal prices, such .app, .club and .xyz.

    5. You really don't have good statistical knowledge. You don't know the meaning of "statistically significant". Also, if a domain really sucks, do you think it can be sold at a price higher than the renewal cost? When it can be sold at a price higher than its renewal cost, then the seller gained a profit and the domain is a good investment. The statistics in Namebio and some successful ngTLD investors in NP and elsewhere have proven that ngTLDs can be good investments.

    6. You are civil to say I am moronic and I am not civil to say you are illogical when your posts are full of illogical arguments!? And now you want to create a one-way challenge that try to limit only my freedom of speech while keep you free to speak any words in any tones!? What a barbarian.
     
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    I am shocked @MadAboutDomains gave courtesy of reading past, what posted above

    but respect he did, despite your disrespect.
    Here’s my favorite part; ’new ngTLD “Logic”
    (Funny, i thought someone would argue it’s politically incorrect say “mad” and not “insane”
    It’s misnomer, but also metaphor, & namesake.
    I’m #MadAboutDomains too. i find maddening
    The whole concept; and antiqated; change more than 10 year max BULLSHIT; theh allow.
    But what grinds my gears; selective frustration
    Someone has an obvious stake in new ngtlds.
    I’ll stick with .com.
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    LOL. I beg to differ. $440 annually...
    Less than one-fifth; gets you 10+ yrs; any com.

    This is criminal. “Neanderthal thinking”
    Watching money burn. and for what?
    new ngtld blazers $440 annually... hahahaaha.
    and we’re the “suckers” $8- a year ANY .COM
     
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  6. MadAboutDomains

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    • Here's what I have said:
      It's really quite clear and I have remained consistent.
    • I didn't say that extensions had an effect on ranking, I said this:
    • Again, it's not off topic to talk about Alexa ranks of nGTLDs generally when the OP initially presented the Alexa rank of this domain as a primary reason given for investing in new GTLDs as well as .COM etc.
    • Well if you can't provide examples of what you are asking for then you concede the argument. This is a forum for discussion, I have presented my argument. My argument is that it is improbable that there are many other nGTLDs that have a better rank than their exact .COM counterparts given that 800k of the total 1 million are not new gTLDs.
    • Again, no I didn't. I said the following:
      No mention of whole, or all. Just that if they have a high renewal price that I believe it affects their success.
    • The organic growth of an extension is nothing to do with the Alexa rank of the domains? It is directly related if you consider domains to be a success when they are being used, instead of just how they are traded.
    • Just conjecture.
    • If the yearly renewal cost is high then you would have to sell it for more to get your money back. The previous owner of shop.app had already spent $6,018 USD on renewals by the time they sold it, so the price had to be more than that to begin with. Though, I do believe it's worth more than that in this case, but then I didn't say it wasn't. I said that high renewal prices are bad for the success of the extensions.
    • I agree and I didn't say that they weren't, but I won't be investing. I said:
    • For clarification, the conversation went like this:
      Me:
      You:
      Me:
      You:
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      You:
    • I think that others can decide who is unreasonable and uncivilised. I hit the nail on the head when I said pedant.
     
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  7. henrypcyeung

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    1. I think it is enough for you to re-post your past irrelevant and illogical arguments. You have gone off topic a lot that the thread creator needed to re-clarify the purpose of the original post to you (yes, only you). Also, you just selectively recapped part of our conversation in an attempt to reflect our whole conversation and to hide your inconsistency, which is ridiculous and biased.

    2. We will never have a consensus as we have different definitions of good domains for investing. You think cheap domains with high number of registrations are worth investing, while I think profitable domains are worth investing. And more importantly, your logic is not good that is hard for us to have a meaningful discussion.

    3. "Illogocal" I used is not an impolite word, while "moronic" you used is an impolite word (according to Longman dictionary). My statements did not have impolite words and were in normal tone that is suitable in normal forum discussion. Besides, you even cheat by rearranging our conversation sequence. The correct order is that you said I was moronic first (post #43), then I said you were illogical (post #44). Who is not civil? Others can decide easily and quickly.
     
  8. MadAboutDomains

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    Apologies for putting the conversation in the wrong order, it was not intentional, but the point is clear.

    Referring to the dictionary. I mean seriously... please look up the meaning of pedant.

    I didn't call you a moron, I said the replies were moronic. Though nobody could conclude that any of your messages to me in this thread were polite.

    Anyone that concludes that the renewal price is irrelevant in the matter of investing in domains deserves to be called out for it, unfortunately that statement was indeed "very foolish, or stupid" (Oxford Dictionaries).
     
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  9. henrypcyeung

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    1. As you don't know how impolite you are, I need to refer to the dictionary as evidence to tell you that you are so impolite. Of course, I know that you would not acknowledge it, or even you would think the dictionary is wrong.

    2. What is the logic that my replies were moronic but I was not a moron when I wrote the replies? What is the logic that the noun form is impolite but the adjective form is not impolite? Stop playing words.

    3. Of course no one (including me) could conclude that my statements were polite because my statements were normal that were neither polite nor impolite. On the other hand, the words you used were impolite in accordance with an independent, credible 3rd party (i.e. the dictionary).

    4. Don't overlook the word "biased" in the statement. And the word "matter" refers to biased investing that blindly rejects good domains of specific gTLDs. High or low renewal prices (such as shop/app or shop/com) can be good domains, so renewal price is irrelevant. You already misunderstood the original post and my posts. I am so worried about your logic and intelligence.
     
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  10. MadAboutDomains

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  11. Alessandro Couteau

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    I never called you a Sucker, I am up for debating, not insulting ... Mad knew what I was saying, he did not take what I said “personally“ just as I did not when he was conversing and arguing with Henry - they have their own argument going, do not mix anything I said above with their conversation

    Now that that’s out of the way ... In any valuable industry, there is change, from salt being used as currency to private lenders moving the majority of their business online to the healthcare world constantly being advanced ... It stands to reason the same will be said for domains given we’ve only seen 20 years of one of the most valuable industries ...

    The Internet

    And I apologize, however I disagree with your thinking, To allow Verisign, ICANN, and Afilias to control a monopoly over the internet w/ .com investors, endusers, and consumers is wrong ...

    I also like to buy premium domains without selling my house, my business, my car, my watches, my winery, etc.

    https://mortgage.com owned by Citi Bank - I do not believe will ever sell in your lifetime nor my own ... And if it does, that is a $50M - $100M domain ... They also own https://mortgage.biz

    https://e.com does exist, it is NOT for sale though to anyone, and before you ask, https://ecredit.com exists as well (also not for sale), because Cortera does not want to sell it, does not matter what $$$ you offer

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB951349084177788053

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    o yes I feel very comfortable paying my renewals for these premium exact match combinations ... I also feel comfortable that Verisign admitted last night that they used Nu Dot in 2016 to purchase the rights to .web for $165M and they are acknowledging exactly what I said ... The WWW is overpopulated and premium .com domains have become even more scarce and will continue to do so as people do not want to pay .com grey market prices

    There is another thread in “new extensions” written on this topic ^ I believe it’s a valuable read for .com investors ... And one more thing I’m not for .web ... I am for the success of premium GTLD exact match keyword combination domains ^
     
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  12. Alessandro Couteau

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    One correction Mad we are currently at over 375M domains in circulation, not a million ... I think you already knew that though

    http://domainincite.com/24265-icann-redacts-the-secrets-of-verisigns-web-deal

    This was in 2019 ^

    http://domainincite.com/26561-verisign-says-it-needs-web-because-com-is-running-out-of-names

    This was 2 days ago ^

    http://domainincite.com/26568-faceb...latest-27-million-plus-cybersquatting-lawsuit

    This was today ;) ^

    I think we are gonna see a huge domain case here soon one that will bring massive exposure to domains a whole
     
  13. MadAboutDomains

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    Sorry for the confusion, I was talking about the Alexa top 1 million domains list.
     
  14. Alessandro Couteau

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    I gotcha 🤵🏼🍷
     
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    In short;

    1 time: the problem was the non-existing patent for the pagerank etc. At that time, the Startup without a proper papers, plans and patent was worthless, even Terry considered if "soon-to-be patented" is on the table, he will need an army of experts / lawyers to get the things done.

    2 time: the Stanford University shares/pie (backbone investor, infrastructure provider, patent stakeholder etc) was on the table and a price tag of $5B + afterwards do-capitalization of more than $2B .. simple too much (at that time).

    Regards
     
  16. Alessandro Couteau

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    Thank you for the information, much appreciated ^ and what are your thoughts on Blockbuster declining to purchase Netflix for $50M in 2000, and now Netflix is worth $250B + (company valuation) ... and Blockbuster has just one store left in Oregon ...

    How about Warren Buffet who bought a 5% stake in Disney for $4M in 1966 and he sold his stake for $6M in 1967 ... If he had that stake today, it would be worth $11B

    Crazy world we live in
     
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    I don't know anything about the Disney - Buffet.

    In 2000, I was using/testing the Netflix adsl stream service, some movies for free (crap), as an experiment, just curious. The stream worked for about 10 min, ...buffering... take a walk, go to the kitchen, come back and wait for 1-2 min before you can continue to watch.

    The lack of backing ISP's infrastructure was the main reason for Blockbuster to step back.
    At that time, streaming a huge data (video compression issue) via optical cable was possible but costly and buffer problems using adsl /dsl ... there was no brain to make it work. Later on in *2001 (*can't remember exactly), the NF tech come to an idea and patented in-house video streaming technology. The US/EU Gov boo$t the ISP providers to go one step further and things start to roll. I know BB had an business ideology of "nothing hill" or "just roll" but at that time the ISPs are really not ready and BB didn't saw what is coming .... (or lack of political info). // + How to license or cash on Downloading movies on PC > Hollywood > BB //

    Regards
     
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