new gtlds shop.app ranking above shop.com according to Alexa

[Alessandro Couteau]

Wow is all I can say ...

The screenshot attached is the Alexa ranking of,

https://shop.app

Mind you these Alexa results took them ONLY half a year ... (what?!)

Many of you know I reported this name sold last year to Shopify for $200,000 ... and that their stock soared from a share price of $400 in March 2020 to $1,200 as of TODAY

what an ROI

Here’s the best part !!!

https://shop.com sold for $3.55M in 2003

Alexa Ranking - 14,621

The GTLD https://shop.app triumphs over the TLD https://shop.com ... albeit both are no doubt stunning names !

What was it that TLD .com investors were saying ? .com only - It’s time for new GTLD investors to wake up, consumers are not reliant on .com anymore ~ they are becoming more aware everyday of new technologies and ideas and most importantly names

________

The concensus should be,

~ INVEST IN GOOD DOMAINS, WETHER THEY ARE .COM OR NEW INTERNET REALESTATE ~

 

[D Haynes]

I haven't heard anyone in the last 5 years claim that the extension effects its ranking power. There are a whole host of metrics that's dictate a domains ranking which can be applied to any extension.

Personally I don't understand why you find this noteworthy.

The big question is...

If you could choose to own shop.com or shop.app (just the domain with no backlinks or other metrics) which would you choose?

If you answer is .app you're probably in the wrong game.

 

[FolioTeam]

Yessiree !

Current .app renewal prices range from $12 to $35 annually, and yes Google owns the extension

.app aside though ^ this is irrefutable evidence that GTLDs in premium keyword combinations cannot only compete with the single keyword .com - but in this case, rank above it

I also noticed the GTLD https://casino.online is ranking well above https://casinoonline.com as well by a massive degree 200% more

Ranking on SERP and on other metrics has never been about domains or TLDs. Content is king

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

I haven't heard anyone in the last 5 years claim that the extension effects its ranking power. There are a whole host of metrics that's dictate a domains ranking which can be applied to any extension.

Personally I don't understand why you find this noteworthy.

The big question is...

If you could choose to own shop.com or shop.app (just the domain with no backlinks or other metrics) which would you choose?

If you answer is .app you're probably in the wrong game.

15 years ago when we had .com millionaires popping up left and right, business’ were buying domains for two reasons, one exact match keywords were a large factor in ranking online, and two, domains were and still are investments ^

The past 5 years GTLDs have started to grow in value exponentially ^ what people laughed about 5 years ago is now showing a new foresight into the market ... yes I am aware comparing shop.app to shop.com is funny to you and many others, but my point was simply this > as the market continues to age, good domains like shop.com are becoming scarce, “not for sale” - and it is nice to see that with the proper SEO and exact match keyword in a different extension we can see that GTLDs work in line with what was the case for TLDs 15 years ago

I don’t know Google or Bing’s algorithm and I don’t imagine anyone here does, but what I do know is that the “requests” thread here is filled 95% of the time with (.com only) as if new extensions are a black sheep to the domain world, well I am tired of Verisign and ICANN and their muppets running their monopoly on the world wide web ! It’s about time that new investors and old investors knew the value and potential of GTLDs and given what I know and have seen, I imagine this will be the case in short order > so long as we don’t have legends buying bad GTLD combinations like https://flowers.mobi

And yes you’re right, .com is the go to extension because 90% of the world is unaware of GTLDs ... 10 years ago BTC was in the same realm trading at $.08 / coin ^ 1 year ago NFT’s were the same story, unheard of until Mark Cuban and a few billionaires started trading in digital art ^ digital assets are valuable prospects, and that category includes “good domains”

we are a community here, we should be working together to promote “good domains” so long as they are “good domains” single exact match keywords in valuable industries

And one more thing Haynes, if I had known shop.app and what would come of shop.app 2 years ago, I would have bought the name and traded it to Shopify for stock and made millions on my investment ^ not even Berkshire Hathaway can guarantee that ROI

And the thing is we don’t know when that next domino is gonna fall, just as we didn’t know Vignesh would spend $69M on an NFT painting

Looking forward to what happens in the next few years in the digital world

 

[Henry Y]

The logic of most people in this forum is that:

Why does a website using new gTLD succeed?
Because it has great content and many backlinks.

Why does a website using new gTLD fail?
Because it uses new gTLD.

Why does a website using .com succeed?
Because it uses .com.

Why does a website using .com fail?
Because it has poor content and few backlinks.


This kind of logic is called bias.

 

[coolhands]

i'ts because the domain was featured and published on top site on the world like shopify and techcrunch, business insider, wsj and more:

here is how powerful the backlinks that domain have now:

 

[ecalc]

The past 5 years GTLDs have started to grow in value exponentially

Time Period	NGTLD Aftermarket USD
Last 5 years	20.8m
Last 3 years	10.2m
Last 2 years	6.1m
Last 1 year	2.3m

source: namebio

 

[lock]

All depends on hard work why would you own the dot com and just expect the business.

 

[MadAboutDomains]

LOL. The ngtld coming out in full force tonight.

What is .app renewal?

Arent they owned by google

I think the renewal for a standard .app is $12-$13. But shop.app is definitely premium pricing and renewals

The renewal for shop.app is £1440 GBP (~$2,006 USD) per year

 

[MadAboutDomains]

I don't know what triggered you, but you had an axe to grind from the moment that I answered the question that someone asked in this thread about the cost of renewal.

If you think the shop(.app) case is an exception

Why would we be talking about it if it wasn't an exception?

If you think the shop(.app) case is an exception, you should be against the OP by showing some examples of .com domains that rank better than their exactly matching ngTLD domains

When you say exactly matching what do you mean? Like google.com vs google.app?

Because if so, then there's really is no need for me to do that, because I suspect that almost all .COMs that are in the Alexa top 1 million rank better than all of their NEW gTLD counterparts given that they are in the top list at all. This is further backed up by the fact that not a single NEW GTLD features in the top 20 extensions and they account for nearly 800k of the total:

Source: https://dofo.com/blog/top-websites-domain-names/ - 24th June 2020

Also, your reasons are so weak that cannot convince ngTLD investors, honestly, especially when there are successful ngTLD investors

I haven't tried to convince anyone of anything other than that I don't personally want to invest in them and that I believe that high yearly renewal prices aren't good for the organic growth of the extensions. That's not illogical to me.

the average selling price of ngTLDs are higher than that of .com domains according to Namebio.

That doesn't mean much when the number of sales per month are in the hundreds:

Compared to .COM in the 10s of thousands....

Source: Namebio

2. Thinking ngTLDs as a whole shows you are illogical. Each ngTLD has its own renewal prices, target users and success levels. Thinking them as a whole and rejecting them all is a silly action. It is similar to a situation that the exam result of a class of students worsens and so all students are punished, without considering that there are some students who get good exam results.

No it's more like the class are students that did badly at school and then continue to do badly throughout their life continue to do worse in life compared to the students that improve over time. That's life I'm afraid.

Anyway, please don't go off topic, classes of students are completely irrelevant in this matter the OP said Alexa rank at least once!

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

LOL. The ngtld coming out in full force tonight.

What is .app renewal?

Arent they owned by google

Yessiree !

Current .app renewal prices range from $12 to $35 annually, and yes Google owns the extension

.app aside though ^ this is irrefutable evidence that GTLDs in premium keyword combinations cannot only compete with the single keyword .com - but in this case, rank above it

I also noticed the GTLD https://casino.online is ranking well above https://casinoonline.com as well by a massive degree 200% more

 

[FolioTeam]

LOL. The ngtld coming out in full force tonight.

What is .app renewal?

Arent they owned by google

I think the renewal for a standard .app is $12-$13. But shop.app is definitely premium pricing and renewals

 

[griff]

amazon understands that

short is better

(both sides of the dot)

a. co is better than a. com

which new gtld investors understood in 2013 which many .com only investors have still yet to realise in 2121 etc which puts a smile on my face lol

a.co is not better than a.com. a.com doesn't event exist so saying that Amazon bought a.co because it is shorter/better makes no sense

and .co isn't even a NGTLD so I'm not sure where to even begin with this comment.

 

[bmugford]

Wow is all I can say ...

The screenshot attached is the Alexa ranking of,

https://shop.app

Mind you these Alexa results took them ONLY half a year ... (what?!)

Many of you know I reported this name sold last year to Shopify for $200,000 ... and that their stock soared from a share price of $400 in March 2020 to $1,200 as of TODAY

what an ROI

Here’s the best part !!!

https://shop.com sold for $3.55M in 2003

Alexa Ranking - 14,621

The GTLD https://shop.app triumphs over the TLD https://shop.com ... albeit both are no doubt stunning names !

What was it that TLD .com investors were saying ? .com only - It’s time for new GTLD investors to wake up, consumers are not reliant on .com anymore ~ they are becoming more aware everyday of new technologies and ideas and most importantly names

________

The concensus should be,

~ INVEST IN GOOD DOMAINS, WETHER THEY ARE .COM OR NEW INTERNET REALESTATE ~

Cool story.

All tech stocks are up from a year ago. I don't think it has that much to do with the domain.

1:23 time on site is pretty awful for a shopping site, vs. 3:54 for Shop.com.

As a domain investor, let me know when all the new gTLD combined put up even a fraction of .COM sales.

In the last year (from NameBio).

.COM -

118,800 Total sales
$108,500,000 Sales volume

All new gTLD combined -

1,251 Total sales
$2,300,000.

Don't give me the line about unreported sales being higher in new gTLD. All extensions have unreported sales. Low reported sales = low actual sales.

Brad

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

The problem is until there is a primary market, AKA vast end user usage, there really can't be much of a secondary market.

It has been 7 years now and the adoption has been very slow.

If you can make money with new gTLD, more power to you. To me it is basically swimming upstream.

Brad

Well it is slow, however I do see adoption happening, To be fair it was the same with the TLD .com ... until investors put money up, the market was barely seen as valuable to endusers ... endusers for .com did not put up a $1M until 10 years in the market

As far as GTLDs go, I sold sicily.properties to an enduser for $1,200 - bought the name 5 years ago for $19.95 ... renewal was standard, non premium ... calculate the ROI ... ^ given that example ^ I believe exact match keywords can be a valuable investment, but one that has yet to be fully recognized for its potential as such

I sold mortgage.loans for $400K on a payment plan to Blake Janover whom purchased home.loans for $500K from Donuts ... However when the pandemic hit, Blake could not afford to keep paying us and our agreement was cancelled and the name was returned back to us ... we made a good deal of money hence the six figure appraisal now on Estibot

I have had many offers on the GTLDs but nothing I would sell at; as I said, I believe the market is greatly undervalued - at Monte Cahns ROTD auction primarily filled with TLD .com investors, I was offered $25K for mortgage.loans and $17,500 for easy.credit ... my reserve on easy.credit was only $25K

Had it been 3 years ago and we were not in a pandemic, I believe the results would have been significantly better / again I think another factor in this equation is a lack of interest from endusers and a lack of interest from TLD .com investors to support the GTLDs and stick to old ways because TLD .com investors believe on one hand that if one market grows, somehow or another it will undermine their own respective investment, the .com ... similar scenario to banks bashing on crypto until they started investing in it themselves and the adoption of crypto has grown 100 fold ... and with said adoption the banks and crypto’s success had continued to grow

 

[MadAboutDomains]

Renewal price is irrelevant to ranking. There is no point to discuss renewal prices in this thread.

It's relevant because the original post was about investing in gTLD domains as well as the success of gTLDs as a whole based on one domain's success.

________

The concensus should be,

~ INVEST IN GOOD DOMAINS, WETHER THEY ARE .COM OR NEW INTERNET REALESTATE ~

I might as well give my 2 cents as I'm here now... I remain unconconvinced of the case for gTLDs based on the success of a single example of one domain that has been promoted by a huge corporation.

The fact its a premium name here is a factor in it's success because it needs someone who can afford the upkeep - unlike the main TLDs.

It's also arguably the best domain on the extension, which also leaves little chance of hope for others than if it had been something else.

 

[MadAboutDomains]

Its key message is that we should not be biased when investing. Renewal price is completely irrelevant in this matter.

Success of the ngTLDs as a whole is not the discussion point in the original post.

Honestly your responses are moronic. The OP says that we should all change our opinions and invest in NEW gTLDs based on these miraculous findings of one domain spuriously having a better Alexa rank than shop.com. It's not off topic to mention reasons why the NEW gTLDs are not attractive to invest in. The OP compared .COM investors to NEW gTLD investors.

Stop being a pedant

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

i'ts because the domain was featured and published on top site on the world like shopify and techcrunch, business insider, wsj and more:

here is how powerful the backlinks that domain

Ranking on SERP and on other metrics has never been about domains or TLDs. Content is king

Haha, I agree with you ^ but TLD .com investors will tell you it’s all because of the .com that sites rank high ^ when we both know search engine algorithms do not rank based on extensions

Well we now have irrefutable evidence that the GTLD can not only compete with the TLD but they can rank higher

 

[Linorth]

I'm no hater of new extensions. but I think basing the argument on ranking is plain wrong. ranking higher in SERP is based on content and backlinks not extensions.

Also, I don't think anyone has ever made the argument of "non .com domains can never rank above .coms" because that would be a stupid thing to say.

most dotcom investors (myself included) favor dotcoms over other extensions not because of ranking capabilities but because of familiarity of extension to general public. the authority it has in the mind of consumers is what gives it value not how well it ranks in search engines (which has nothing to do with extension at all)

there are a lot of research that show if given the same choice between exmaple.com and example.net , .org, .app, .whatever on a search result page, most people will click on .com result. that is why .com is more valuable. the click. not the extension.

what the OP is doing is a prime example of confirmation bias.
he is using one example of a .shop domain selling for 6 digits and ignoring thousands of other .app domains that stay unsold for years after years, and still arguing the high price sale one one domain is proof of the value of the extension.

I would agree that a good name (short, one word domain name) is valuable regardless of extension. but those names selling for a good price, has zero effect on value of the respective extensions from an investment point of view.

 

[bmugford]

I agree the GTLD market is still untapped by investors and endusers alike albeit a lot of money is being poured into ownership rights for said extensions ^ we don’t have a massive adoption quite yet

I believe if more TLD .com investors realized the potential and value of strong keyword combinations for the GTLDs ^ It could prove to be a valuable prospect not for just GTLD investors but TLD .com investors as well ^ as more consumers would be exposed to the investment factor in domains, if investors continued to make investments in the industry or if we had a large sale (seven figures +) for a GTLD ^

And as GTLDs and TLDs showed their value, this would open a new market to advertise and sell prime GTLDs & TLDs to endusers AS domains are investments ...

Look at NFT paintings for example, it was huge news when Beeples painting sold for $69M ^ Now they got Mark Cuban on board and the one percenters supporting their market ^ as domain investors we have never had that kind of exposure and quite frankly, it’s disappointing that domains are barely recognized as investments to the average consumer let alone endusers

Maybe if .com investors and GTLD investors started to think alike and put their pride to the side, we could see this new market become a reality

The problem is until there is a primary market, AKA vast end user usage, there really can't be much of a secondary market.

It has been 7 years now and the adoption has been very slow.

If you can make money with new gTLD, more power to you. To me it is basically swimming upstream.

Brad

 

[jim h]

. App has great potential, especially for popular words and short words.But I think it's slow move.
In fact, many. app were sold at high prices, but due to confidentiality agreements, many of them have not been reported by anyone.I learned about those deals from different sources, those deals really exist whether you like or not.
I got map.app , and I have more .coms.

 

[Henry Y]

Renewal price is irrelevant to ranking. There is no point to discuss renewal prices in this thread.

 

[Henry Y]

It's relevant because the original post was about investing in gTLD domains as well as the success of gTLDs as a whole based on one domain's success.

I think you misunderstand what the original post mentioned. Its purpose is to oppose to the general opinions of .com investors that end users must use .com, and end users who adopt ngTLDs never succeed. It tries to point out that we should not be biased, and should invest in good domains that end users may be interested in, regardless of gTLDs. Renewal price is totally irrelevant in defining good domains and Alexa ranking. No matter renewal price is $10 or $2k, it does not affect domain quality (i.e. intrinsic value) and Alexa ranking.

 

[Henry Y]

Honestly your responses are moronic. The OP says that we should all change our opinions and invest in NEW gTLDs based on these miraculous findings of one domain spuriously having a better Alexa rank than shop.com. It's not off topic to mention reasons why the NEW gTLDs are not attractive to invest in. The OP compared .COM investors to NEW gTLD investors.

Stop being a pedant

Frankly speaking, your posts are nonsense and illogical.

1. If you think the shop(.app) case is an exception, you should be against the OP by showing some examples of .com domains that rank better than their exactly matching ngTLD domains, or asking him to show more examples, instead of saying unrelated stuffs like renewal prices and number of registrations. It shows you are nonsense. Also, your reasons are so weak that cannot convince ngTLD investors, honestly, especially when there are successful ngTLD investors and the average selling price of ngTLDs are higher than that of .com domains according to Namebio.

2. Thinking ngTLDs as a whole shows you are illogical. Each ngTLD has its own renewal prices, target users and success levels. Thinking them as a whole and rejecting them all is a silly action. It is similar to a situation that the exam result of a class of students worsens and so all students are punished, without considering that there are some students who get good exam results.

Stop posting nonsense and illogical stuffs.

 

[Henry Y]

I don't know what triggered you, but you had an axe to grind from the moment that I answered the question that someone asked in this thread about the cost of renewal.


Why would we be talking about it if it wasn't an exception?


When you say exactly matching what do you mean? Like google.com vs google.app?

Because if so, then there's really is no need for me to do that, because I suspect that almost all .COMs that are in the Alexa top 1 million rank better than all of their NEW gTLD counterparts given that they are in the top list at all. This is further backed up by the fact that not a single NEW GTLD features in the top 20 extensions and they account for nearly 800k of the total:

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Source: https://dofo.com/blog/top-websites-domain-names/ - 24th June 2020


I haven't tried to convince anyone of anything other than that I don't personally want to invest in them and that I believe that high yearly renewal prices aren't good for the organic growth of the extensions. That's not illogical to me.

That doesn't mean much when the number of sales per month are in the hundreds:
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Compared to .COM in the 10s of thousands....

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Source: Namebio


No it's more like the class are students that did badly at school and then continue to do badly throughout their life continue to do worse in life compared to the students that improve over time. That's life I'm afraid.

Anyway, please don't go off topic, classes of students are completely irrelevant in this matter the OP said Alexa rank at least once!

1. I don't know what triggered you. I just said renewal price is irrelevant in ranking and you agreed that. But you suddenly became mad and mentioned even more irrelevant stuffs like number of registrations.

2. It is you that went off topic and said stuffs unrelated to Alexa ranking. Other members were logical that mentioned stuffs related to ranking such as website content and advertising. I didn't stop them.

3. You are illogical. It is possible that a domain of a non-top-20 ngTLD beats its exactly matching .com. Also, you made conclusion based on suspect. Are you kidding me?

4. You are really illogical that always think different things as a whole and then keep or dump them as a whole. Do you think if the OP thinks like you, it can show the example? Do you know not all ngTLDs have high renewal prices? Do you know .app has multiple pricing tiers? Why just because shop(.app) has $2,000 renewal price, then you say no to all ngTLDs? Do you study each ngTLD to make conclusion or investment decision? Do you know there are some ngTLDs having growing trends? You may be happy with your logic, but sorry that your logic is totally nonsense in the world, especially in the investment world.

6. My quoted average selling prices are on a yearly basis. Should it make more sense to reply me the number of sales per year? One more nonsense case of you. Also, did you study statistics? Do you know what average means? Do you know >30 sales is large enough to be statistically significant? If you look into each ngTLD, you will be surprised that the yearly average selling prices of some ngTLDs such as .app and .club are $2,000-$6,000, much higher than that of .com.

7. I went off topic because I replied to your off-topic posts. The student class example was just to show how illogical you are. If you did not go off topic and were logical, I would not show the student class example at all.