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Guys and Girls before you submit an auction on Namepros can you have the decency to remove your domain from all other marketplaces......

I see it all the time where there is an auction thread on here and the OP has the name listed everywhere else at the same time.

I am pretty sure some people inflate their Sedo, DAN, Epik, Afternic (etc etc) prices to try and lure in unsuspecting bidders/buyers.......

Do the right thing and remove your name and make the auction exclusive to Namepros.....

Also, If you sell a name on Namepros via make offer or BIN, remove it from all market places after the transaction has been completed....

Not hard to do.......
 
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Thanks. Does it say that somewhere in writing (I could not find it in a quick look at their ToS), or is it just an understanding? Perhaps it is the definition of what listing means. I mean transfers to another seller are allowed, but what about putting the name up for auction in a place anyone could see, like here?

Are they really fine with the possibility that a domain name sells on their marketplace on Tuesday, the same day the name is in auction here, and the buyer looks on Wednesday and see the name they paid $$$$ for went for $$, or worse the person here for whatever reason refuses to keep it listed at the brandable place so that either the auction here or the sale there one must fail.

Bob
Some don't care, as long as your account is in good standing( that means that you didn't delisted domains from their marketplace) and some prefer to be done in private, but it's done multiple times 'in sight' and I don't know about anybody complaining that they were banned or something( so they don't like it, but they can't afford to drop you)
 
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Thanks. Does it say that somewhere in writing (I could not find it in a quick look at their ToS), or is it just an understanding? Perhaps it is the definition of what listing means. I mean transfers to another seller are allowed, but what about putting the name up for auction in a place anyone could see, like here?

Are they really fine with the possibility that a domain name sells on their marketplace on Tuesday, the same day the name is in auction here, and the buyer looks on Wednesday and see the name they paid $$$$ for went for $$, or worse the person here for whatever reason refuses to keep it listed at the brandable place so that either the auction here or the sale there one must fail.

Bob
But out of curiosity, it didn't happened until now that you have forgot to remove an already sold domain from a particular marketplace and somebody has clicked 'bin'? It's happening on a daily basis on all major marketplaces, but if yo are not doing intentionally and daily, they will understand, because they can';t afford to loose the majority of their sellers.
 
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Thanks. Does it say that somewhere in writing (I could not find it in a quick look at their ToS), or is it just an understanding? Perhaps it is the definition of what listing means. I mean transfers to another seller are allowed, but what about putting the name up for auction in a place anyone could see, like here?

Are they really fine with the possibility that a domain name sells on their marketplace on Tuesday, the same day the name is in auction here, and the buyer looks on Wednesday and see the name they paid $$$$ for went for $$, or worse the person here for whatever reason refuses to keep it listed at the brandable place so that either the auction here or the sale there one must fail.

Bob
By the way, did you checked the exclusive section in the marketplace? Only one page of listings, 99% of them not auctions, starting prices something like $399, $10000 and so on and close to 0 buyers. So goodbye $1 auctions, $10 brandables and so on. This is the future that you wish for namepros marketplace?
 
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6.2. Auctions (ยป)
6.2.1. Auctions must be exclusive to NamePros until the winner is awarded the item(s) or the auction expires without a winner.
6.2.2. Reserve prices for auctions are not permitted; auction holders (sellers) must set a starting bid that they are prepared to accept.
6.2.3. An auction cannot be modified once a bid is placed with the exceptions of its Buy-It-Now ("BIN") price, bid increments, approving additional bidders, adding payment methods, and/or adding additional domains at no extra cost. Once a bid is placed, every allowable change (the exceptions just mentioned) must be posted to the thread as a new reply as well as updated in the original post before it becomes effective and valid (e.g., a BIN price cannot be accepted until this is done, but rule 6.2.10 applies). BIN prices are not reserve prices and therefore do not affect rule 6.2.10.
6.2.4. A Buy-It-Now ("BIN") price may be changed (added, reduced, increased, or removed) on an auction prior to it being accepted, in accordance with rule 6.2.3. The BIN price in an auction must be publicly accepted by a buyer.
6.2.5. Each domain and website auction must have the required information: domain, registrar, expiration date if rule 6.1.6 applies, starting bid, bid increments (default: $1 USD), specific end date and time including the time zone or a relative end time (suggested: 72 hours after last bid), and payment options.
6.2.6. All valid bids are binding and cannot be retracted. Bids are void 7 days after outbid by another member or after the auction ends, whichever is later, unless it is the winning bid in which case it is binding until the sale is completed. Auctions and bids that are unclear, illegible, conducted outside of the public listing (e.g. via direct message), contain inaccurate information or invalid amounts are considered null and void.
6.2.7. Bids must be made publicly in the thread, but offers relating to active auctions must be made elsewhere (e.g., in a direct message). Learn the difference between bids and offers.
6.2.8. Listings designated as Dutch auction must abide by the format of a Dutch auction.
6.2.9. Reserving the right to decline a bid is only allowed if stated before the auction's first bid, is enacted before the auction has ended, and includes a fair reason. Rule 6.1.24 applies.
6.2.10. Auction holders (sellers) must sell to the highest bidder with a valid bid at the end of the auction or to the first buyer to accept a valid Buy-It-Now ("BIN") price before the auction ends. If the BIN price matches the current high bid, then the auction ends immediately with the current high bidder as the winner. Rule 6.1.17 applies.
6.2.11. Auction starting price and bid increments must be in whole dollars of at least $1 USD.
6.2.12. Auction formats, details, terms, and rules created by sellers must be reasonable, transparent, specific, and predictable. Exception: Sellers have full control over the amount of their starting bids, even if the amount seems unreasonable.
6.2.13. All communication about auctions must be carried out on NamePros.com via public or direct messages. Transitioning a conversation to an off-site medium, such as email, is not allowed at anytime when discussing any aspect of an auction.
6.2.14. Auction holders (sellers) and the winners (buyers) must notify our support team of auction agreements that will not be completed.

Now our members going to pull all listings? Probably not, can Namepros enforce that? Probably not.

Namepros does not have auctions with reserves. So every name should sell.

Now back when BrandBucket auctions were big, someone would ask, what if someone buys the name at BrandBucket for say $3,000? Well Namepros came up with a plan that the seller could state up front, if a name sells while this auction is going on, I will give the winner $300 for example. Just so long as this was stated upfront the auction was allowed. Don't like it, Don't Bid. This was a special situation because the bidders would not want the BrandBucket listing pulled down, they were bidding to own at BrandBucket.

The same could be done with listings at DAN or Sedo or Afternic, someone could say if it sells for retail while I am auctioning wholesale I will give the winner or high bidder, $100, $200,$300 etc...

Now of course if the seller cannot deliver the name and there is no disclosure upfront, they will get an infraction, NO THEY WON'T BE BANNED FOR ONE BAD DEAL.

So it comes down to what is your integrity worth, someone is running an auction on a 5L pronounceable it's at $50, they get an email CONGRATULATIONS "5L.com" sold for $3,000.

What do you do? Most will take the infraction.
 
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Well Namepros came up with a plan that the seller could state up front, if a name sells while this auction is going on, I will give the winner $300 for example. Just so long as this was stated upfront the auction was allowed. Don't like it, Don't Bid. This was a special situation because the bidders would not want the BrandBucket listing pulled down, they were bidding to own at BrandBucket.
Thanks for comprehensive answer @equity78. I think that this, that I did not know before your post, is a sensible solution. It keeps the brandable approval and listing intact, but up front makes clear that the name is still listed, and the procedure in case it sells during the auction period with compensation.

While the same procedure could be applied to DAN, Afternic and Sedo listings, I personally do not see the same argument as there is no issue of approval at those venues, and with no reserve virtually all auctions complete, so why leave them listed. I guess main argument would be slight chance of a sale during this period. If retained for that purpose, compensation should be offered in my opinion, and that the name was listed should be made clear in auction listing. It is not clear to me that the NamePros auction rules as currently written show that this is allowed, however.

Thanks again for your explanation.

Bob
 
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There is an 'exclusive' namepros section here at namepros, did you checked it out to see how many names are listed there.
As I understand it the exclusive section does not have to do with whether the domain is listed elsewhere. By NamePros rules all auctions are to be exclusive. Rather the exclusive auction section makes reference to who can see, and participate, in the auction, just members of NamePros Insiders Club.
Bob
 
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As I understand it the exclusive section does not have to do with whether the domain is listed elsewhere. By NamePros rules all auctions are to be exclusive. Rather the exclusive auction section makes reference to who can see, and participate, in the auction, just members of NamePros Insiders Club.
Bob
It could be, but following this rule, than all auctions at namepros should be deleted...what you will have after that? Can you find at least a couple of names that are 100% exclusive? I don't know about any of the big players that have forced sellers for exclusive auction, knowing that this will ruin their auction section, do you really think that this can reinforced at namepros? I would like to see the experiment, to see the number of auctions left behind. When you list a domain in auction at godaddy or sedo, they are checking if it's not for sale at other marketplaces? They have a general rule, but they can force anybody, without loosing a lot. So, you like $1 auction, you like paying $2, $5 $10 for a brandable, but you can't assume the risk of loosing an auction every 30-40 times, because of the lack of the exclusivity? Try to reinforce it and you will have $20 $30 start for an auction, $50 for a brandable and close to 0 buyers and see if you will be happy with exclusivity. After 2 weeks of this experiment, everybody will beg to give up to exclusivity.
 
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Guys and Girls before you submit an auction on Namepros can you have the decency to remove your domain from all other marketplaces......

Good joke.
 
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Guys and Girls before you submit an auction on Namepros can you have the decency to remove your domain from all other marketplaces......

I see it all the time where there is an auction thread on here and the OP has the name listed everywhere else at the same time.

I am pretty sure some people inflate their Sedo, DAN, Epik, Afternic (etc etc) prices to try and lure in unsuspecting bidders/buyers.......

Do the right thing and remove your name and make the auction exclusive to Namepros.....

Also, If you sell a name on Namepros via make offer or BIN, remove it from all market places after the transaction has been completed....

Not hard to do.......

How about posting something like if the name sells elsewhere while the auction is ongoing, the winning bidder will receive $100 in compensation.
 
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How about posting something like if the name sells elsewhere while the auction is ongoing, the winning bidder will receive $100 in compensation.

Respectable.

I believe the underlying message of this entire thread and all business dealings is, simply, transparency.
 
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I understand the argument for brandable places with an approval process to keep them listed and approved. Then they just transfer to the new owner.

What is the argument for keeping domains not at a brandable place listed, e.g. at Afternic or DAN? In those cases the name will be listed by new owner after auction so not transfer at marketplace. No reserve at NamePros so all auctions complete, or almost all. Is it simply the 0.04% chance that it might sell during time of auction? (assuming 2% sell through rate andone week auction)

Thanks,

Bob
 
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I understand the argument for brandable places with an approval process to keep them listed and approved. Then they just transfer to the new owner.

What is the argument for keeping domains not at a brandable place listed, e.g. at Afternic or DAN? In those cases the name will be listed by new owner after auction so not transfer at marketplace. No reserve at NamePros so all auctions complete, or almost all. Is it simply the 0.04% chance that it might sell during time of auction? (assuming 2% sell through rate andone week auction)

Thanks,

Bob
How fair it will be to have special auctions just for some and not for others? The argument that if you delist it, let's say from afternic or sedo fast transfer and nobody is bidding, you will have to go again through all the process, with the risk of being forever in pending review should suffice? I'm not doing anymore auctions here, so it will not have any effect on my domains, but I can bet that trying to reinforce this will ruin the marketplace, which has already enough issues. I just want to see what everybody who was for reinforcing this, what they will say after a month or so with close to 0 auctions, at least the $1 one's.
 
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How about posting something like if the name sells elsewhere while the auction is ongoing, the winning bidder will receive $100 in compensation.

Right that's what I said you would extend the compensation level to other marketplaces the way we did with BrandBucket.

Now like @Bob Hawkes mentioned why would that be needed for a name you have listed at Sedo? When I do an auction I will delete the name at Sedo, I have to sell for even $1 unless I want the infraction.

But Namepros made clear a long time ago, state it upfront and if no one likes it, then it's on them to not bid.

If I say I will not remove all my names from Afternic, so when I start an auction I simply add, "If the name sells at a marketplace during the auction, I will give the high bidder at the time, (since I have to post SOLD AT AFTERNIC or DAN or SEDO), $100 or $200 etc..."

Don't like that, Don't Bid.
 
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Right that's what I said you would extend the compensation level to other marketplaces the way we did with BrandBucket.

Now like @Bob Hawkes mentioned why would that be needed for a name you have listed at Sedo? When I do an auction I will delete the name at Sedo, I have to sell for even $1 unless I want the infraction.

But Namepros made clear a long time ago, state it upfront and if no one likes it, then it's on them to not bid.

If I say I will not remove all my names from Afternic, so when I start an auction I simply add, "If the name sells at a marketplace during the auction, I will give the high bidder at the time, $100 or $200."

Don't like that, Don't Bid.

I saw your post later. The beauty of logic is that the same conclusion can be derived independently by different people. The probability of a name being sold within a given couple of week span is so small (2/52 times 1% or 2%) that usually this is not a big deal and even a $100 should take care of a trouble of participating and not winning
 
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98.5% of domainers according to the research remove their domains from all marketplaces before listing on namepros. But for the 1.5% that don't they should probably get a warning. I've boughten thousands of domains off here and never had them show up on godaddy auctions, flippa, sedo any of those, the only case being the ones that are Brand Bucket domains listed at BB.
 
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98.5% of domainers according to the research remove their domains from all marketplaces before listing on namepros. But for the 1.5% that don't they should probably get a warning. I've boughten thousands of domains off here and never had them show up on godaddy auctions, flippa, sedo any of those, the only case being the ones that are Brand Bucket domains listed at BB.
Who's research? I've checked yesterday, the first 10 from the first pages and all of them were there. It's not only about godaddy or sedo auctions, it's about BIN or make offer as well. Also, did you bought any domain that didn't had a landing page? I never herd about at least one domain like this and you are talking about a research. Can you point out a link or something to that research?
 
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98.5% of domainers according to the research remove their domains from all marketplaces before listing on namepros. But for the 1.5% that don't they should probably get a warning. I've boughten thousands of domains off here and never had them show up on godaddy auctions, flippa, sedo any of those, the only case being the ones that are Brand Bucket domains listed at BB.
Even now, in real time, only 1 out of ten didn't had a landing page revolving(and that doesn't mean that it's not listed anywhere) and I didn't checked any BB, BP or SH domain. It's so easy to talk about a 'research' without checking the facts.
 
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Even now, in real time, only 1 out of ten didn't had a landing page revolving(and that doesn't mean that it's not listed anywhere) and I didn't checked any BB, BP or SH domain. It's so easy to talk about a 'research' without checking the facts.

There is no research done.
 
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98.5% of domainers according to the research remove their domains from all marketplaces before listing on namepros. But for the 1.5% that don't they should probably get a warning. I've boughten thousands of domains off here and never had them show up on godaddy auctions, flippa, sedo any of those, the only case being the ones that are Brand Bucket domains listed at BB.
What research - when I look the majority have listings elsewhere

Also some of the BIN's on landing pages that have I have seen in past look grossly inflated, almost like the person is trying to entice unwary, new bidders to their auction.....
 
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