Registering Type-in Traffic Names anno 2008

[luffo]

Hi fellow NP'ers.

I found it a good idea to start a thread here so we can share experiences in finding these kind of names anno 2008.

I registered and monitored lots of names the last weeks and found only couple of generic names getting decent traffic. For example: NewHavenLibrary.com.
But these names get only a couple of uniques a week. It was pretty hard to find these kind of names.

I was wondering if there is a good method and possibility to register (not buy) Generic domain names that get decent type in traffic? Maybe in the Spanish language?

 

[zabijaq]

long time ago maybe.

 

[irishmat]

long time ago maybe.

thats pretty pessimistic

some still available but you have to dig around alot, try looking at cctlds etc

all the best ones in .com will have been taken a while ago tho

 

[zabijaq]

Some are still but very hard to find some that will make some significant annual yearly revenue above regfee. :\

One needs to seek much and have done tons of research and needs to be born under stars as Vory v zakone.

 

[netmeg]

There are still keyword-rich, type-in traffic domains available. You just have to look (and think) hard enough.

At the beginning of August, I hand registered 191 geo-targeted domains covering a specific legal niche; there seemed to be a lot of searches (and ads) in this area but lawyers tend to like to use the firm name as their primary domain, and I can't tell you why some other domainer hadn't taken them. Every one was a .com. I started getting visits the first night; clicks started dribbling in on the second day - from a buck a pop to about $2.40/click so far. Last week I sold TWO of the 191 domains for a total of $1300 to a law firm who found my parked page and contacted me about it. That's a little shy of what I paid for the whole shmear, in less than a month. So a couple hundred more dollars, either from parking or a sale - and everything else is gravy from the remaining 189 names.

There are plenty of names out there; I just wish I could afford to buy all the ones I think of.

(that's not to say that I haven't bought some clunkers too. but the good ones are NOT all taken)

 

[luffo]

There are still keyword-rich, type-in traffic domains available. You just have to look (and think) hard enough.

At the beginning of August, I hand registered 191 geo-targeted domains covering a specific legal niche; there seemed to be a lot of searches (and ads) in this area but lawyers tend to like to use the firm name as their primary domain, and I can't tell you why some other domainer hadn't taken them. Every one was a .com. I started getting visits the first night; clicks started dribbling in on the second day - from a buck a pop to about $2.40/click so far. Last week I sold TWO of the 191 domains for a total of $1300 to a law firm who found my parked page and contacted me about it. That's a little shy of what I paid for the whole shmear, in less than a month. So a couple hundred more dollars, either from parking or a sale - and everything else is gravy from the remaining 189 names.

There are plenty of names out there; I just wish I could afford to buy all the ones I think of.

(that's not to say that I haven't bought some clunkers too. but the good ones are NOT all taken)

Thanks guys for the replies!

@Netmeg: Well done! Nice to hear that it is still possible to hand-reg nice type in traffic names! I also think that there are many geo-targeted traffic names to register.

What i found interesting is that almost every term with a high OVT gets zero to a bit type in traffic. Direct navigation (type-in traffic) seems to be formuled very briefly and as short as possible.

@irishmat: Yes, I might also take a deeper look into the type-in ccTld names.

 

[Sleepys]

What i found interesting is that almost every term with a high OVT gets zero to a bit type in traffic. Direct navigation (type-in traffic) seems to be formuled very briefly and as short as possible.

I disagree with this comment. Monthly searches is one of the most important factor in determining possible type-in traffic. If you are still using OVT that is a problem. Their results are very outdated. Try KeywordDiscovery http://www.keyworddiscovery.com/search.html and/or Wordtracker http://freekeywords.wordtracker.com/keyword-suggestion-tool.html . The Google Adwords works well too.

 

[luffo]

I disagree with this comment. Monthly searches is one of the most important factor in determining possible type-in traffic. If you are still using OVT that is a problem. Their results are very outdated. Try KeywordDiscovery http://www.keyworddiscovery.com/search.html and/or Wordtracker http://freekeywords.wordtracker.com/keyword-suggestion-tool.html . The Google Adwords works well too.

Thanks, I use both OVT and the Google Adwords Tool
to determine possible type-in determining type-in traffic. but had many names with high x,xxx montly searches with 0 type in traffic.

So I am wondering what the other factors are (there is not much info about how to find type-in traffic names on the internet)..

thanks

 

[netmeg]

I check out Google news, look at Google trends, I do searches in Google and Yahoo to see what types of organics come up and what types of ads are showing.

But I tend to reg domains in groups of at least 50 or 100 at a time; it's rare that I just pick up one.

 

[Sleepys]

I check out Google news, look at Google trends, I do searches in Google and Yahoo to see what types of organics come up and what types of ads are showing.

Good Advice. Trends are very important. Here is a little trick that many people don't use enough. Google trends are comparable to each other. This may seem obvious enough, but it is hard to tell what scale Google is using without comparing. Also, for example, if you are considering a bunch of similar domains, comparing all of their trends helps a lot. Finally, this trick allows you to get some very simple trends data for names that on their own wouldn't get trends. To do this, enter at least one keyword that has a trends chart. Then compare one or more keyword that get no trends. You should get some simple comparions on the lower portion that says regions/cities/and langauges.

Thanks, I use both OVT and the Google Adwords Tool
to determine possible type-in determining type-in traffic. but had many names with high x,xxx montly searches with 0 type in traffic.

So I am wondering what the other factors are (there is not much info about how to find type-in traffic names on the internet)..

A little known fact about monthly searches is that they correspond pretty well to the length of the domain. By that I mean that a one word domain with monthly searches on 100 can get more typeins (possibly) than a two word domain with 400 or 500 monthly searches, and can even, outperform 3-4 word domains with over 1000 searches. Those types of domains can be good, but keyword stats do seem to have some correlation, in many cases, to length.

Also, use as many of them as possible. I would rather find a name with 200 monthly searches from Keyword discovery, 5-10 daily with Wordtracker, and some stats from Google, than find a domain with huge stats from one, but no stats from the other. If KD says 600 searches and WT shows 0, that is usually not a great sign.

 

[luffo]

I check out Google news, look at Google trends, I do searches in Google and Yahoo to see what types of organics come up and what types of ads are showing.

But I tend to reg domains in groups of at least 50 or 100 at a time; it's rare that I just pick up one.

Thank you so much for your reply. What do you exactly mean with 'organics' when using yahoo and google? You register 50 or 100 names for one subject but different locations?

Google News and Google Trends are a great tip (I havent looked at these 2 yes), thanks!

Luffo

Good Advice. Trends are very important. Here is a little trick that many people don't use enough. Google trends are comparable to each other. This may seem obvious enough, but it is hard to tell what scale Google is using without comparing. Also, for example, if you are considering a bunch of similar domains, comparing all of their trends helps a lot. Finally, this trick allows you to get some very simple trends data for names that on their own wouldn't get trends. To do this, enter at least one keyword that has a trends chart. Then compare one or more keyword that get no trends. You should get some simple comparions on the lower portion that says regions/cities/and langauges.



A little known fact about monthly searches is that they correspond pretty well to the length of the domain. By that I mean that a one word domain with monthly searches on 100 can get more typeins (possibly) than a two word domain with 400 or 500 monthly searches, and can even, outperform 3-4 word domains with over 1000 searches. Those types of domains can be good, but keyword stats do seem to have some correlation, in many cases, to length.

Also, use as many of them as possible. I would rather find a name with 200 monthly searches from Keyword discovery, 5-10 daily with Wordtracker, and some stats from Google, than find a domain with huge stats from one, but no stats from the other. If KD says 600 searches and WT shows 0, that is usually not a great sign.

Thank you so much for taking the time to write this great reply

I realy like your 'the less words the better' tip. I will start using all the tools together and do research using google news and google trends.

Your Google Trends trick is great!

What do you think of the .net and .org? I heard the .org's may bet nice traffic related to organizations, communities (..). Do you also register these extensions? And do you think cctld's (i have seen some people selling mexican .com.mx domains here with decent Spanish type in traffic)have good potential?

Thanks again,



By the way, there is one thing i dont understand about the keyword tools.
It is a bit hard to explain, so I will use an example with the keyword 'bread'

Does the adwords keyword tool count the word bread in other search phrases like "hot bread" , "cheap bread" for the keyword "bread"?

Assume there were only three searches:"hot bread", "cheap bread" and "bread"
Would the number of searches in the google keywords stats for the search term "bread" be 3?

Luffo

 

[netmeg]

Thank you so much for your reply. What do you exactly mean with 'organics' when using yahoo and google? You register 50 or 100 names for one subject but different locations?

By organics, I mean regular search results, as opposed to the ads (PPC)

And yes, that's what I mean. For example, I have 50 sites that are all Halloween themed (these are not parked, they're developed around specialized Google custom search engines) so that I have HauntedinMichigan.com, HauntedinTexas.com, etc. Almost all of my 'sets' of domains are either all 50 states or the top 50 US cities. I have every state in alternative health, prescription drugs, and various other health, legal and finance niches.

What do you think of the .net and .org? I heard the .org's may bet nice traffic related to organizations, communities (..). Do you also register these extensions? And do you think cctld's (i have seen some people selling mexican .com.mx domains here with decent Spanish type in traffic)have good potential?

Depends on what you plan to do with them. My premium names, that I expect will be worth something for resale, are all .com only. I have a few .orgs, but mostly for my developed sites, when I want to lock up all the important iterations of it. I bought some .nets for back last winter when I was experimenting with arbitrage, because they were cheaper, but now that arbitrage has gone away, I'll probably let some of them go if I don't develop them. I never touch any other tld.

Does the adwords keyword tool count the word bread in other search phrases like "hot bread" , "cheap bread" for the keyword "bread"?

Assume there were only three searches:"hot bread", "cheap bread" and "bread"
Would the number of searches in the google keywords stats for the search term "bread" be 3?

You need to understand about match types. A Broad Match type would probably get all those search types. A phrase match type is more exclusive, and exact match is just that - exact. The keyword tool allows you to see data for all match types (including negative)

Here's a link with more information about match types:

http://adwords.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6100

Hope this helps.

 

[luffo]

By organics, I mean regular search results, as opposed to the ads (PPC)

And yes, that's what I mean. For example, I have 50 sites that are all Halloween themed (these are not parked, they're developed around specialized Google custom search engines) so that I have HauntedinMichigan.com, HauntedinTexas.com, etc. Almost all of my 'sets' of domains are either all 50 states or the top 50 US cities. I have every state in alternative health, prescription drugs, and various other health, legal and finance niches.

That is a great method indeed. I have been using a similar method using a city and state database, but i only registered the biggest states/cities.
Thanks!

By the way do people in the US type in the State after the Cityname when using direct navigation? Or do they only search that way in the search engines? (I am from the Netherlands, here we dont have States. So I dont realy know the importance of writing the state name in front of/behind the city name using direct navigation) And do they Use the full State name the most or just the two letters (for example IL for Illinois)

Depends on what you plan to do with them. My premium names, that I expect will be worth something for resale, are all .com only. I have a few .orgs, but mostly for my developed sites, when I want to lock up all the important iterations of it. I bought some .nets for back last winter when I was experimenting with arbitrage, because they were cheaper, but now that arbitrage has gone away, I'll probably let some of them go if I don't develop them. I never touch any other tld.

Thanks for this great tip. Indeed, the .com's are a lot easier to sell (and more valuable). From now on I will only focus on the dotcoms.

You need to understand about match types. A Broad Match type would probably get all those search types. A phrase match type is more exclusive, and exact match is just that - exact. The keyword tool allows you to see data for all match types (including negative)

Here's a link with more information about match types:

http://adwords.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6100

Hope this helps.

Wow this is realy a great tip. I always used the standard 'broad' search in the google adwords tool. I never realised there were those other options.

By the way, do you search for a couple of days / hours using diverse niches and make a list and review it after you searched a lot of them?

I now tend to register names when found, think i should have some more disipline :red: to make a large list of lets say a hunderd potential niches and then only register the best ones.

Thanks again for your great help, it realy helps a lot

 

[zabijaq]

Some extra knowledge Thanx to all.