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DomainCandy backed out on a deal with me in last week that had confirmed price and amount by PM when an offer came a few hours later for a "group of names" which this was one of the group. He felt it better to "cancel" the agreed deal, rather than jeopardize his $70 bulk deal.

Bottom line is we made a firm deal in writing and both parties agreed, and it should be honored IMO. Since then, he has ignored my Private Messages the last few days so only recourse is to communicate thru Moderator staff to hopefully assist with resolution.



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DomainCandy backed out on a deal with me in last week that had confirmed price and amount by PM when an offer came a few hours later for a "group of names" which this was one of the group. He felt it better to "cancel" the agreed deal, rather than jeopardize his $70 bulk deal.

Bottom line is we made a firm deal in writing and both parties agreed, and it should be honored IMO. Since then, he has ignored my Private Messages the last few days so only recourse is to communicate thru Moderator staff to hopefully assist with resolution.

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Yes pursue it through Moderator and either get him to honor the deal or leave him negative feedback. Such miscreants are a big NO-NO on our forums!!
 
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I knew you would rear your head here. The facts are not in dispute.

I put up a thread to sell a group of 24 names for $90 (not $70).

BillIdn PM'd me at some point asking: "How much for one name?" I told him he could have one for $8.

BilliDN did not get back to me, and did not tell me what name he was interested in.

The next morning when I woke up there was a PM from BillIDN, saying that he would take a particular name. He did not leave his push info. Ready to remove that name from my list, I went to the thread and saw that someone had posted SOLD in the thread.

So, I notified BilllIDN that he was first, as his PM came about 90 minutes before the person said sold. I told him that someone posted sold in the thread, and that is likely wasn't going to be the case that out of all the names, they would want that one, but I asked BillIDN that if the buyer really wanted that one, would he be OK with withdrawing the bid. I figured that since it took him a whole half a day to the have the courtesy to tell me what name he wanted, he probably didn't care one way or the other.

I then told the buyer that someone had made a general inquiry about buying a single name the night before, but they didn't tell me what name they wanted until the next day, and that if it would be OK if I removed that name from the 24, or alternatively had them sell the name to BillIDN for $8.

About 8 hours later I hear back from the buyer, yet still hadn't heard back from BillIDN. The buyer told me that he would balk at the deal without this particular name being included. I told him that I was transfering him the names, and that it was likely that the person would be OK with it.

I then PM'd BillIDN again and told him the situation. He had still not responded to me after I asked him how much he wanted the name and told him I had a buyer for the list of 24 that included the name he told me he wanted a full day after he asked me how much for one name. The day after this PM BillIDN tell me that I could remove the name and give it to him, as it happens all of the time. I PM'd him telling him that I had already transferred the name to the buyer of the 24 names, and that in the future I would make sure that when someone inquired about a single price on a name list, that I would make sure they told me the name so I could remove it from the list.

I told BillIDN that I understood his point, but he had to understand my situation, and the fact of the matter is that I was selling a group of 24 names for $90 and BillIDN PM'd me with a general inquiry about how much would one name cost, never told me the name, then waited until the next day to PM me saying that he would take the name, and didn't even give me the push info, nor respond for a whole other day to my request asking him how much he wanted the name, and if he still wanted the name even if it would blow the sale. I told him upfront that his PM came first. I could have easily done the deal without going out of my way to make things right in advance with all parties.

The moral of the story is that BillIDN is a typical time waster, who was willing pester me about buying a single name for $8, without even telling me the name until the next day, and then not even including his push info when he told me the name, and then not responding for a full day when I told him about the situation that developed, a situation that he knew, or should have known could happen. It is not like I had this name listed for $8 in the thread. He has no problem at all with trying to sully the reputation of someone over a name that wasn't even important enough to him to buy for $8 until the day after I told him he could buy any name for $8.

Lastly, if I would have known that he had anything to do with IDN's, like I assume he is because of his user name, I never would have corresponded with him. They are the most delusional an dishonest group of domainers on the planet. What does Lewser mean on domain forums? Bill showed his true colors by turning one of the most minor issues that could ever happen to anybody into some breach of contract worthy of publicizing to all who might do business with me.

I don't engage with Lewsers.idn, so you are welcome to reply and tell your victim story about how you pestered someone about a name that you were getting for reg fee, yet didn't have the decency to tell the person what the name was, when you knew for a fact that the person had the name in a list that they were selling for less than half reg fee each (because that is where you saw it).

You are the worst of the worst. So, I am done making any comments on this forum. I may not even post names anymore. Feel free to tell whatever outrageous lie you want, because I will not respond.

If you really feel that what I did was unethical, taking in all of the facts, then I believe that warrants a ban on my end. A permanent ban. What does Lewser translate into on domain forums? You should know, you are an IDN nut. We can't have breach of contract on forums, you know. If people read the facts and decide that you are the victim, then I should be banned for life, you Lewser.idn.
 
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DOMAIN CANDY
THAT IS NOT THE WAY IT WENT DOWN-
HERE IS OUR PRIVATE MESSAGES WORD FOR WORD, WITH TIME STAMP

YOU AGREED TO THE DEAL, AND I ASKED FOR YOUR PAYPAL, WHICH YOU NEVER SENT TO ME. WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN ABOVE DOES NOT MATCH THE FACTS.

Billidn, Tuesday at 8:37 PM Report
do you have price for names individually
thx
bill
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domaincandy, Tuesday at 9:06 PM Report
I will go $8 per name. They are all worth registering. Why not just take them all for $70?
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Billidn, Wednesday at 5:32 AM Report
CreditScoreAdvisor.com $8
send me your paypal info.
Thx
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domaincandy, Wednesday at 10:13 AM Report
There's a guy who posted sold in the thread. Your post beat him by around two hours. I am waiting to contact him because I can only start two conversations per day. I will ask him if I can hold one name back and make the deal $8 less. Or maybe better, ask him to sell you the name for $8.
On the small chance that he really wants CreditScoringAdvisor.com, can you withdraw your offer? You definitely beat him to the punch for that name, but there is a small chance that it could jeopardize the sale of the group (though it is pretty unlikely).
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Billidn, Thursday at 1:17 PM Report
just tell him one name was sold, happens all the time.
he can verify with moderator if needed.

domaincandy, Thursday at 1:47 PM Report
I told him yesterday that I would like him to sell the name to someone for $8, but he balked at the deal at that point. I didn't hear from you all day, or the night before. Your PM did get here before his, but I didn't know which name you wanted the night before, so I left the names up, and didn't hear from you that night, so he got the names last night.
It is unfortunate, but I think it is fair, considering it was a group sale, and I didn't know what name you wanted. However, I understand your situation, as well, and when I woke up and saw two PM's I thought there might be a small issue, but was hoping the buyer didn't care at all about the name you wanted.
I am going to ask you to let this go. In the future, if I have a group sale listed, I will make sure that if someone PM's me about a name, that I know what name it is so I can remove it from the list.
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Billidn, Thursday at 8:26 PM Report
Got back to you 15 hours later, that's not unreasonable.
Pls tell the buyer that you had already sold one of the names, if he has been around here any time he will understand and it shouldn't be an issue.

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Billidn, Today at 5:51 AM Report
PM'd you 36 hours ago....any resolution?
I see you haven't been on forum very long, but I can tell you that at any domain forum they are not keen on deals not being honored.
I would be pretty sure the other member would agree, would you like me to contact them as well?
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I knew you would rear your head here. The facts are not in dispute.

I put up a thread to sell a group of 24 names for $90 (not $70).

BillIdn PM'd me at some point asking: "How much for one name?" I told him he could have one for $8.

BilliDN did not get back to me, and did not tell me what name he was interested in.

The next morning when I woke up there was a PM from BillIDN, saying that he would take a particular name. He did not leave his push info. Ready to remove that name from my list, I went to the thread and saw that someone had posted SOLD in the thread.

So, I notified BilllIDN that he was first, as his PM came about 90 minutes before the person said sold. I told him that someone posted sold in the thread, and that is likely wasn't going to be the case that out of all the names, they would want that one, but I asked BillIDN that if the buyer really wanted that one, would he be OK with withdrawing the bid. I figured that since it took him a whole half a day to the have the courtesy to tell me what name he wanted, he probably didn't care one way or the other.

I then told the buyer that someone had made a general inquiry about buying a single name the night before, but they didn't tell me what name they wanted until the next day, and that if it would be OK if I removed that name from the 24, or alternatively had them sell the name to BillIDN for $8.

About 8 hours later I hear back from the buyer, yet still hadn't heard back from BillIDN. The buyer told me that he would balk at the deal without this particular name being included. I told him that I was transfering him the names, and that it was likely that the person would be OK with it.

I then PM'd BillIDN again and told him the situation. He had still not responded to me after I asked him how much he wanted the name and told him I had a buyer for the list of 24 that included the name he told me he wanted a full day after he asked me how much for one name. The day after this PM BillIDN tell me that I could remove the name and give it to him, as it happens all of the time. I PM'd him telling him that I had already transferred the name to the buyer of the 24 names, and that in the future I would make sure that when someone inquired about a single price on a name list, that I would make sure they told me the name so I could remove it from the list.

I told BillIDN that I understood his point, but he had to understand my situation, and the fact of the matter is that I was selling a group of 24 names for $90 and BillIDN PM'd me with a general inquiry about how much would one name cost, never told me the name, then waited until the next day to PM me saying that he would take the name, and didn't even give me the push info, nor respond for a whole other day to my request asking him how much he wanted the name, and if he still wanted the name even if it would blow the sale. I told him upfront that his PM came first. I could have easily done the deal without going out of my way to make things right in advance with all parties.

The moral of the story is that BillIDN is a typical time waster, who was willing pester me about buying a single name for $8, without even telling me the name until the next day, and then not even including his push info when he told me the name, and then not responding for a full day when I told him about the situation that developed, a situation that he knew, or should have known could happen. It is not like I had this name listed for $8 in the thread. He has no problem at all with trying to sully the reputation of someone over a name that wasn't even important enough to him to buy for $8 until the day after I told him he could buy any name for $8.

Lastly, if I would have known that he had anything to do with IDN's, like I assume he is because of his user name, I never would have corresponded with him. They are the most delusional an dishonest group of domainers on the planet. What does Lewser mean on domain forums? Bill showed his true colors by turning one of the most minor issues that could ever happen to anybody into some breach of contract worthy of publicizing to all who might do business with me.

I don't engage with Lewsers.idn, so you are welcome to reply and tell your victim story about how you pestered someone about a name that you were getting for reg fee, yet didn't have the decency to tell the person what the name was, when you knew for a fact that the person had the name in a list that they were selling for less than half reg fee each (because that is where you saw it).

You are the worst of the worst. So, I am done making any comments on this forum. I may not even post names anymore. Feel free to tell whatever outrageous lie you want, because I will not respond.

If you really feel that what I did was unethical, taking in all of the facts, then I believe that warrants a ban on my end. A permanent ban. What does Lewser translate into on domain forums? You should know, you are an IDN nut. We can't have breach of contract on forums, you know. If people read the facts and decide that you are the victim, then I should be banned for life, you Lewser.idn.

No need to disrespect anyone here, especially when -you- are clearly in the wrong.
This was a real simple deal, domain name stated in PM, price all agreed to, request for your paypal information sent. Then you decided to back out on the deal....and now you try and blame it on me? LOL .

But I will let other members comment on the facts....and if your actions were in any way proper and OK in eyes of other members and Moderator for business conduct on this forum, I will publically apologize to you..
 
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Well, you are willing to show the world that what I said was true, which means that you are the worst of the worst. For the recond, though it is not important, when you asked about buying a single name, I asked why not take them all for 70, but the thread was for $90 (just in case one of the Lewsers here says I was wrong on that). The names sold for $90.

You just showed the world that what I said was true. Wasting my time for two days over a name that you wouldn't tell me about. Then not even giving your push info, creating yet another transaction on an $8 name that you were going to make me go through over the course of this marathon two day $8 name sale you were trying to pull off. Get lost. Everything I said is true, and you backed it up. Case closed.

Anyone who feels you are the victim should ask for a permanent ban for me. You are the lowest of the low. How much time is reasonable to you? Would 5 days of back and forth be ok for an $8 name that you didn't want bad enough to buy until the nedxt day after you made a general inquiry? How many hours is it reasonable for someone to have to constantly check Name Pros for you to respond to my questions? In your world, I should hold up the sale for days until you respond. Your type make the world a worse place, and people like you, and other's here, will be the reason that I no longer contribute. Bye bye. Have fun finding someone to buy your IDN's.
 
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Since you both decided to make this a public affair, I'll go ahead and post my thoughts here as well.

1. Bulk list of domains listed on forum for sale as package
2. Potential Buyer didn't want to buy bulk as per the guidelines of the sale
3. Seller stated they may be interested at $8 per domain, but asked for the bulk sale again
4. SOLD was posted in bulk sales thread prior to seller logging back in to see what domain the potential buyer was interested in
5. Seller sold the bulk lot to the member that posted SOLD.

Whilst I can see how frustrating this must be for the potential buyer, A conversation about whether a single domain sale is acceptable (without specifying the domain) is not technically a binding sales agreement. Furthermore, the seller asked for the bulk sales again. By the time the seller logged in, someone had posted sold in the thread, which was a few hours after the potential buyer finally sent the domain they were interested in. Since the messaging didn't have a solid confirmation of commitment, the seller sold to the binding "SOLD" poster in thread.

In this particular case I would have to side with the seller. In the future, please use the report feature in a sales thread if you wish to keep these type of disputes private.

No further actions required at this time. It's my hopes that both parties learn from this situation and are able to avoid miscommunication in future negotiations.

Thanks for understanding,
 
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ERIC, YOUR # 4 IS INCORRECT, APPRECIATE IF YOU CAN REREVIEW TIME LINE

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4. SOLD was posted in bulk sales thread prior to Potential buyer telling seller which domain they wanted.

As verified by DomainCandy in his PM to me. :

domaincandy, Wednesday at 10:13 AM Report
There's a guy who posted sold in the thread. Your post beat him by around two hours
 
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It appears the seller tried to work with the SOLD poster to help secure the single name for you, regrettably, the SOLD poster refused. This is why trying to deal with people outside a sales thread secretly can get very confusing.
 
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You are more than welcomed to leave the seller a Negative Feedback for their loose ended / miscommunication commitment. The seller may NOT retaliate with negative feedback. Please let me know if they try to do so.

Sorry things didn't work out,
 
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OFFER AND ACCEPTANCE constitutes a business deal.

OFFER: domaincandy offered individual names off his sales thread to me at $8 each.

ACCEPTANCE: I stated to him the name I wanted at agreed offered price of $8, and in same pm asked for his paypal information.

This was at least 2 hours prior to any other buyers coming into the picture.
 
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I will go $8 per name. They are all worth registering. Why not just take them all for $70?
Appears that they were still negotiating to get you to buy the bulk ;)
 
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You can leave negative feedback for the seller or you can choose not to, up to you. In the future, please try to conduct business in the sales thread to avoid all the miscommunication. Technically the bulk deal post was binding anyways and they shouldn't have broken them up individually since they were listed as bulk only.

Thanks,
 
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