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The issue I am having is too many people on this site are either developing for themsleves and have no time to make other people sites or else they are simply domainers with no webmastering abilities (like myself). I am having a hell of a time finding reliable quality people to help develop my mobi sites. Whats the deal? Am I going about this all wrong? Is this the worng forum to locate developers? Sitepoint, digital point etc have tons of them it seems but little mobi experience.

I have tons of quality names and ideas but no one to build them. I see whjy many people stay domainers due to lack of developer.
 
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People stay domainers, because they don't wish to dev or they are just doing this as a hobby. Look at freelancing sites, your just looking on boards for developers.. Don't complain cause you can't find them.. Why don't you just try to develop yourself?
 
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ps I have no time to develop them buddy and I am making an observation not complaining so get off it! I came to this site due to its mobi content hence the probability to find mobi developers would be presumed possible.
 
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I think if you could find a developer on any of the webmaster sites mentioned above or a freelance site. You would just need to show them the guidelines and other info available at the .mobi registry so they could transition.
 
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VisionEdger said:
The issue I am having is too many people on this site are either developing for themsleves and have no time to make other people sites or else they are simply domainers with no webmastering abilities (like myself). I am having a hell of a time finding reliable quality people to help develop my mobi sites. Whats the deal? Am I going about this all wrong? Is this the worng forum to locate developers? Sitepoint, digital point etc have tons of them it seems but little mobi experience.

I have tons of quality names and ideas but no one to build them. I see whjy many people stay domainers due to lack of developer.

Developers are starting to get wise to the fact that a good developer can create much more value for themselves than they will get paid creating a site for someone else at the type of prices the webmaster forums / freelance site users want to pay.

Additionally, the kind of prices being paid on these sites doesn't come close to even a low level full-time development job in the USA/Europe. There's always exceptions and no doubt some great developers just don't want to do it full time and do it for some side income, but they probably already have a nice client list and full schedule.

So generally, that leaves you with people in locations that might be outside of your comfort zone or people who can't land a full time web development job at a time when demand for skilled web developers is at an all time high - draw your own conclusions why that might be ...
 
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Lasher said:
Developers are starting to get wise to the fact that a good developer can create much more value for themselves than they will get paid creating a site for someone else at the type of prices the webmaster forums / freelance site users want to pay.

Additionally, the kind of prices being paid on these sites doesn't come close to even a low level full-time development job in the USA/Europe. There's always exceptions and no doubt some great developers just don't want to do it full time and do it for some side income, but they probably already have a nice client list and full schedule.

So generally, that leaves you with people in locations that might be outside of your comfort zone or people who can't land a full time web development job at a time when demand for skilled web developers is at an all time high - draw your own conclusions why that might be ...

I totally agree. In this forum, people offer $25, $50 to develop a .mobi site, some offer $1000 for a full social network site. The price is ridiculously low.

Remeber a capable developer in US/Europe can get $50-$100 per hour jobs easily.
 
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Try your local neighborhood to look for candidates. If you are near community colleges, tech schools, adult education institutions or advance learning facilities, ivy league colleges, or a government sponsored training institutions, you can look in these places for good qualified web developers. This strategy would also apply to those who are not located in the U.S.

In the U.S. there are a large number of people transitioning from brick-n-mortar jobs to something more meaningful while others have been laid-off from their jobs or downsized due to off-shore migrating so there are plenty of good candidates for website developing. Some of your candidates may not have advanced skills but that can be corrected with experience and good development tools.

You can also post your position with head-hunter firms as long as you can come to an arrangement with them on the cost for the qualified candidate.

You still need to do your diligence as far as reviewing resumes, background checks, and credit checks of your perspective candidates so do not forget that part of the process.

If you are not located in the U.S., you can check references of the candidate as well as check with your local government agency to see if the candidate has any legal problems with them.

There are plenty of people in the world looking for work.....you just simply have to find them....some times they can be as close as local neighborhood. :)
 
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Yes thats true , 2 to 3 years back , there were
many developers around , their business was
through freelancing , now very few can be pointed.

Well am still in the field , I dont have any mobi sites
but I develop them for others.
I can do professional mobis with PHP , MySQL , XHTML,
good applications.
You can PM me to make a deal , I do in budget rates.

:)
 
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PM me, I'll tell you how to locate highly competent developers that can handle software architecture and infrastructure as well as programming. The fact is, these skills take 1-2 decades to hone and you can expect fees in the ballpark of $50-200 an hour. If those prices shock you, you've been looking for a McCoder.
 
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$50-$200 /hr doesnt shock me but what shocks me is that the majority of GP's (general practioners) dont make $200/hr. Let alone $100/hr. If you can get it all the power to you. I dont need highly skilled software engineers or programme infrastructure architects, I need basic mobi sites like most people with no devloping skills. I see a niche here for developers with the skills to offer mobi development at rates that are realistic.
 
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If the rates were realistic, wouldn't there be developers available?
 
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Even most SAP consultants (C2C) don't make $200 these days.

I think realistic coder rates would be $25-$50 range for designing relatively simple websites.
 
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Exactly! $100/hr + is for specialized labour. NOT for a basic mobi site!!
 
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in the market too, i'll pm ya or vice versa. we're the client, the dev will come. :tu:
 
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Its hard for a basic to mid level developer to develop someone else's website when they have a slew of great names to develop themselves.

My opinion, is to offer some form of revenue sharing program with .mobi developers. You might have more interest that way. I think many of the developers see the potential over the years for .mobi, but to do a basic site for someone doesnt benefit them


[this is of course my opinion as a siebel contractor who sees the potential of .mobi]
 
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***Stop the nonsense, split rev. and develop now!

I recently saw an idea (from Onassis I think)
If I remeber properly, he was offering the developers
1) 80% of revenue for the first X years
and
2) a (I think) 30% of revenue if that name was sold.
I would add $10/hour for the developer's services too.

As a developer with my own names, I think that's a better idea than insulting developers with ridiculous offerings/hour, or leaving names with huge potential underdeveloped, letting others get your place in search engines instead and risking your medium and long term gains.

As a developer and domainer, the only way to take me out of developing my own names would be such an arrangement...developing more powerful names than mine, knowing that because of the symbolic $10/h (or whatever you negotiate) I will ensure that at least I put food on the table if the arrangement goes sour.

Do you think this is bad for you? Look at what you get:
1) developed .mobi names that can start making a reputation with search engines TODAY,
2) that will look much better if you want to sell them (you'll sell them for more),
3) advertising profits much better than those made on parked pages,
4) and who knows, if your site is good, maybe repeat users/customers and a continuous stream of revenue though repeat sales.
Do you have to split revenue? Yes, but only for a few years and then it is yours to keep.
Remember that undeveloped names will be "blacklisted" at some point by s. engines, no matter how good they are, as more quality website come online. Either you develop now, or someone else will come with a standard/nothing special name and take your place on search engine result pages.

""Oh, well, I don't care because my name is great and I rely on direct navigation."" Well, there are at least three things wrong with that kind of thinking:

1) Search Engines are constantly improving their tehcnology, and raising the bar regarding websites quality and content. They hated parking pages all these years and they'll keep on hating them in the years to come, because they make them look bad. I cannot see why the mobile web will be different. Do these parking pages make them money because in the end of the day those are their ads people click on? Yes. But their reputation is more important, so parking pages are out if it is up to them.

2) The bookmars and navigation systems in mobile devices are more and more advanced, and this will affect the way people access websites. The direct navigation system goes against Google's philosophy of business. manufacturers and some software companies that are also trying to get in the middle and "assist" the search of users, bypassing the direct navigation method

3) Just a thought, but if Google is successful in making their webpage as the start page on every mobile device on earth (make no mistake they'll work very hard and pour a tone of money at it)...then what's the value of even the best name to a certain category? If Google thinks that other websites have better content...forget it about the power of your name to attract users! You'll be invisible no matter how good your name is.

I am not saying that those names are useless today or in the future. What I am saying is that a lot of people think that direct navigation will last forever but you have manufacturers (Nokia Motorola, most of them), Google and other s. engines, AND software companies (apart from internal search or "recomendation" engines from your favourite social networking site) conspiring against the direct navigation business, and thus the value of those domains in the short and medium term.

So...if you think making a good split with a developer is expensive...imagine the alternative:
- people getting more savvy about parking pages (and not clicking on them anymore but hitting the back button),
- Google and others getting in the middle and skipping your site altogether,
- and your name losing 80% or more of its value overnight when the domain market realize that direct navigation doesn't make sense as it did before... (they will eventually realise it)

Do you think that you "always have time to develop"? Think again. Before, at the beginning of SEO, the pagerank logaritm was much simpler, but it kept getting complex. Now it even takes into account not only how many pages, inbound links, how old the domain is, in order to sort search results. I wouldn't be surprised if the logaritm doesn't include soon (if it is not doing it already) the time lapse between your domain being bought and developed, and punishes your site the wider the gap between these.

Now, the other silly phrase I hear from some people: "I don't care about Google"
Well, that's your option and your right. But I wouldn't be so quick not taking into account the actions of a company with such a strong dominance in most markets it is in. In most countries in Europe, Google's market share is between 70% and 92% last time I checked.

The only solution is developing...as soon as possible, and getting indexed and a position in your market of choice as soon as possible, no matter what the developers charge. It is a sellers (developers) market now. If you don't like it, and you can risk to lose your investments in domains names, fine.

If you get what I am saying...uderstand that a good domain is only half the equation. Finding a good developer and making a good split with him will multiply the intrinsic value of a good domain name many times over, and it is a great long term investment that will bring you revenue year after year.

Guys, a really good developer is a specialist that has a strategic view of the market, marketing skills, seo skills, and is well informed on what's going on in the domain world. Having acquired those skills has been a risky personal bet and the opportunity cost for him (studying and not producing money with his time) has been very high.
He is in demand and it is normal that he charges high fees because he has the rare ability in this world to turn a piece of stone into a diamond. As any other specialist, it won't work on your mine if he can work on his, and if he does he'll charge you appropriately because he's helping you to extract a a ton of money from it. What else would you expect? Nothing personal here...simple economics. Demand and supply laws at work.

If someone is interested to get me working on their names instead of mine, PM me with the details, current uniques, overture data, etc...and your exact wishes for each name.

I the meantime...you may want to re-read this post and decide on your immediate course of action. Fast!
Greed could take you all the way to bankruptcy, whereas the capacity and streetsmarts to share your (potential) wealth is what will make those riches possible in the first place.
What do you prefer, a smaller piece of the cake than you imagined, sharing it with the chef or to stay here dreaming but hungry? You have the ingredients. Time to call a good chef. Don't let it go to cook someone else's cake.

Good luck!
 
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skeitel said:
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If someone is interested to get me working on their names instead of mine, PM me with the details, current uniques, overture data, etc...and your exact wishes for each name.
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Good luck!

Good post. Repped!

Can you post some developed websites in your portfolio?
 
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sf2010 said:
Even most SAP consultants (C2C) don't make $200 these days.

I think realistic coder rates would be $25-$50 range for designing relatively simple websites.
VisionEdger said:
Exactly! $100/hr + is for specialized labour. NOT for a basic mobi site!!
Is that $25-$50 per hour or site? Can you show me some sites that you feel fit this category?
 
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scandiman said:
Is that $25-$50 per hour or site? Can you show me some sites that you feel fit this category?

I was quoting general cost per hour (or per diem). I don't think any developer will do a site for $50 bucks, unless the site only has 2-3 pages

:cy:
 
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