Potential End Users that P**s You Off...

[lennco]

I am dealing with this guy who thinks he got the best of me.

He wants to buy a 2 keyword .com from me, but before he contacted me he went ahead and bought the .net, org, .info, .us, .mobi, biz.
And he paid for 10 years on all of them...lol
Plus he got privacy on them, I dont know if he got the privacy for free or if he paid for privacy for the whole 10 years, and for all I know he probably didn't even use a coupon and may have paid full price.
Anyway, assuming he didn't use a coupon he may have spent $400 or more already.

So he contacts me and says he wants to buy this domain.
I emailed him back and told him $1795
And that was the price I already had in mind before I knew he bought all the other extensions.

So he writes me back and says,

I appreciate you getting back to me, but the price is a bit steep.

I've purchased every other significant extension (.biz, .net, .info, .us, etc.), so I think I'm good for now. The fact that the best of the other extensions has been taken may make the .com of lesser value to a prospective buyer; if your price should come down, let me know.

Thanks.

My first though?
What a complete Idiot :lol:
So I write back,

Hello,

Thanks for replying back.

I appreciate your comment but I will say that I have been in the domaining business a long time and the lack of availability of the other extensions never has a negative effect on a .COM.
As it's known in the business, .COM is king.

Sorry we couldn't make a deal today.

Best regards,

I own the .COM and this guy thinks he has me by the short hairs? :bah:
I'll take this name to the grave before I let an idiot like that think he can get the best of me.

I just might out of spite turn the domain into an adult site :hehe:

 

[cdboard]

ask what he has invested so far.

then let him know that the COM might just be MORE valuable when a buyer sees that all the other extensions are registered for lengthy periods.

 

[dompro]

I've purchased every other significant extension (.biz, .net, .info, .us, etc.), so I think I'm good for now. The fact that the best of the other extensions has been taken may make the .com of lesser value to a prospective buyer; if your price should come down, let me know.

did you paraphrase it to make it funnier? No one could write so convincing exact opposite of truth. Google translation errors?

 

[infmoney]

He clearly has no idea what he's talking about. .Com is king, period. 10 years on all those crappy extensions??? What type of domain is it(brandable, generic)?

I am dealing with this guy who thinks he got the best of me.

He wants to buy a 2 keyword .com from me, but before he contacted me he went ahead and bought the .net, org, .info, .us, .mobi, biz.
And he paid for 10 years on all of them...lol
Plus he got privacy on them, I dont know if he got the privacy for free or if he paid for privacy for the whole 10 years, and for all I know he probably didn't even use a coupon and may have paid full price.
Anyway, assuming he didn't use a coupon he may have spent $400 or more already.

So he contacts me and says he wants to buy this domain.
I emailed him back and told him $1795
And that was the price I already had in mind before I knew he bought all the other extensions.

So he writes me back and says,


My first though?
What a complete Idiot :lol:
So I write back,


I own the .COM and this guy thinks he has me by the short hairs? :bah:
I'll take this name to the grave before I let an idiot like that think he can get the best of me.

I just might out of spite turn the domain into an adult site :hehe:

 

[dompro]

I own the .COM and this guy thinks he has me by the short hairs? :bah:

I think his perverted thinking is: by securing all possible extensions of the same name he totally owns you. Because when someone gonna start thinking of developing your name into a brand, they will have to pay $$$$ to him to recover all those crappy extensions he has registered.

THIS MAKES YOUR .COM WORTHLESS! :bah:

 

[alien51]

Because when someone gonna start thinking of developing your name into a brand, they will have to pay $$$$ to him to recover all those crappy extensions he has registered.

That's just one side of the equation, with the presumption that the rest of the extensions will just be parked or not used.

What if the .NET gets launched into a legit brand? What kind of end-user will grab the .COM and be willing to confuse consumers with a website using an identical name?

Most legit, and self-respecting end-users i know would want to have a unique identity with solid branding edge. And launching a website next to someone who has the same name and already well known, will not exactly earn you respect in the e-commerce community. It would appear that you are trying to EXPLOIT someone else's brand (evenif it's a .NET).

As the OP had said, if such case happens, he would rather destroy the brand altogether buy launching a porn site on his .COM, and try to ruin the other guy using the other extensions.

 

[lennco]

did you paraphrase it to make it funnier? No one could write so convincing exact opposite of truth. Google translation errors?

Nope, that is exactly what he wrote. :lol:

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That's just one side of the equation, with the presumption that the rest of the extensions will just be parked or not used.

What if the .NET gets launched into a legit brand? What kind of end-user will grab the .COM and be willing to confuse consumers with a website using an identical name?

Most legit, and self-respecting end-users i know would want to have a unique identity with solid branding edge. And launching a website next to someone who has the same name and already well known, will not exactly earn you respect in the e-commerce community. It would appear that you are trying to EXPLOIT someone else's brand (evenif it's a .NET).

As the OP had said, if such case happens, he would rather destroy the brand altogether buy launching a porn site on his .COM, and try to ruin the other guy using the other extensions.

Well I have come across many, many sites that were developed in several extension by different companies so it not that unusual, but it appears that he has already started his site and it looks like he has chosen to develop, wait for it..... .BIZ :bah:

 

[Ms Domainer]

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The numpty who called me at my former work number (NOT my whois), which happens to be my husband's work number--he was NOT happy and thinks I should not be getting business calls on his work number (I agree).

The caller thought he was being sly by calling, but I did a reverse lookup on the phone number he called from, and was able to find his email within 30 seconds.

I let him know in no uncertain terms that I did not appreciate his calling me at my old work number and referred him to my whois.

Why can't these people use email?

Besides, I hate dealing on the phone with these low ballers and testy people who think you ought to hand over your property because "You're not using it anyway."

GRRRRRRRR.....

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[lennco]

Why can't these people use email?

Besides, I hate dealing on the phone with these low ballers and testy people who think you ought to hand over your property because "You're not using it anyway."

GRRRRRRRR.....

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100% agree!
Well said

 

[RaiderGirl]

When he wrote; "if your price should come down, let me know"

Your response should of been;

It wont, Prices on all our domains increase every 30 days.

Thank you for your interest and good luck with your other domains.


The objective is to put him on notice that if he waits, the price will increase.. You also want to give the impression your in no hurry to sell, that your not desperate to make the deal. So try to keep all correspondence SHORT and to the point. The more you type and respond back, the more desperate you appear.

It's all a game, knowing how to play it is key.

 

[cache]

internet is so big, there are many different kinds of people, some may not be very smart. But I agree this is an extreme case. Or is there other possibility that he wanted to use your email replies for the purpose of wipo? How were you convinced he owned other extension if they were privacy protected? Maybe you fell to his trap and fooled by him?

 

[lennco]

internet is so big, there are many different kinds of people, some may not be very smart. But I agree this is an extreme case. Or is there other possibility that he wanted to use your email replies for the purpose of wipo? How were you convinced he owned other extension if they were privacy protected? Maybe you fell to his trap and fooled by him?

He is to dumb to even know what wipo is let alone try and build a useless case..

I know he owns the other domains because he regged them all yesterday and you can see his info on the .US and its the same email he used to email me with.
Plus he admitted he did.
And if anything he already showed bad faith by saying "I've purchased every other significant extension (.biz, .net, .info, .us, etc.), so I think I'm good for now. The fact that the best of the other extensions has been taken may make the .com of lesser value to a prospective buyer; if your price should come down, let me know."

Dumb move on his part, shows bad faith by his intent to devalue my .com.

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You also want to give the impression your in no hurry to sell, that your not desperate to make the deal. So try to keep all correspondence SHORT and to the point. The more you type and respond back, the more desperate you appear.

It's all a game, knowing how to play it is key.

Believe me, unless he contacts me, he will never hear from me again.
I am already putting emails together for other potential end users.

 

[RaiderGirl]

Believe me, unless he contacts me, he will never hear from me again.

That's the attitude you have to have, as you always want to be in control of the transaction.

Playing hardball doesn't always result in sale, but when it does, the return makes it all worth it

 

[alien51]

When he wrote; "if your price should come down, let me know"

Your response should of been;

It wont, Prices on all our domains increase every 30 days.

Thank you for your interest and good luck with your other domains.


The objective is to put him on notice that if he waits, the price will increase.. You also want to give the impression your in no hurry to sell, that your not desperate to make the deal. So try to keep all correspondence SHORT and to the point. The more you type and respond back, the more desperate you appear.

It's all a game, knowing how to play it is key.

Well, that kind of response is presuming the guy does not know anything about the domaining "game". Otherwise, saying your domain price increases every 30 days, tells me this is a domainer who got ticked with bruised feelings. lol

Obviously, the buyer was prepared to develop a site on the extension he bought (as confirmed by the OP). And if he does an awesome job on SEO, it is possible his .NET could occupy all top 5 slots on search for the keywords.

The question when that happens is, will you have the time to fight it out on site development so your .COM will not get trampled on Google? Or would you continue to have the domain undeveloped and continue to look for other buyers?

As an end-user myself, the first thing i do when i find a nice domain, is to check it out on Google and survey the competition. I try to assess whether any legits have anchored themselves on the keyword domain so deep, it would be difficult for me to stand out, without confusing internet users. So if a legit has gotten his brand already, i try to move on and find my own.

 

[Fonzie]

Dealing with people who don't have the slightest clue about domain names is a standard part of the game. Politely inform him that you asking price is firm, that his owning alternate extensions (registered out to 10 years, LOL) does absolutely nothing but reinforce the value of your com.

In essence, he did you a huge favor. Just because he's too dumb to recognize it doesn't change that fact.

Imagine it like a highway. An acre of direct highway frontage might be worth $500,000. The next acre behind that might hardly be worth the taxes to maintain grazing cows on it. Things can be nearby in physical proximity, yet in different universes, practically speaking. The fact that he bought the same keyword in .biz means nothing to your .com.

 

[RaiderGirl]

saying your domain price increases every 30 days, tells me this is a domainer who got ticked with bruised feelings. lol

From a domainer perspective I can understand you viewing it that way, but actually there is no hard feelings at all and nothing is bruised. I actually do increase my price after 30 days, because the potential buyer has already cost me time without a sale.

When the same buyer comes back to me after a month or two, I always ask for more than I originally quoted, Outrage and excuses usually follow and they ask that I sell it for the original price, I explain the more time I spend on this transaction the more it's going to cost, I then say if they approve of the escrow transaction today and submit payment no later than tomorrow, I'll sell it at the original price.. Works every single time.

Some are patient in the negotiation process, I'am NOT.. After the 3rd email and no acceptance on price, that's when I usually give my firm price and walk away, Disagree with it all you want, they almost always come back.

 

[surprise]

IMHO i think you should move on , you cant push him to take it if he doesnt want 2 , he has the right to refuse your domain , respect your customers believe me they will come back ,on the other hand if you don't give them respect they will refuse to deal with you even if your domain worth xxxxxx . We domainers don't valuate domain names , buyers do , look at the dnjournal crappy names sold for 5-6 figures and good names sold for few Ks why is that ? because that's what the buyer is willing to pay . Move to another end users and concentrate on marketing .

Good luck

Just my 2 cents

 

[alien51]

I actually do increase my price after 30 days, because the potential buyer has already cost me time without a sale.

I'm not sure how a buyer would cost you time without a sale, when he merely asked you what's your asking price and in the case of this thread from the OP, the buyer merely left a remark that may be insulting to domainers. I would say, the price increase is more attributed to Insult Fee (plus 2% VAT).

But anyway, if you had like 3,000 buyers lining up jockeying for your extremely valuable domain name, and you don't want one guy holding up the negotiations for the other guys, i would think the most practical thing to do is simply send the domain for auction, so you can cut all these negotiations eating up your gold precious time.

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IMHO i think you should move on , you cant push him to take it if he doesnt want 2 , he has the right to refuse your domain , respect your customers believe me they will come back ,on the other hand if you don't give them respect they will refuse to deal with you even if your domain worth xxxxxx .

Well, i really don't understand why domain name negotiations often end up in animosity, with each side trying to insult the other. You end up with an arrogant buyer, and an arrogant seller. I think all this pride and ego, comes with owning something you think is gold. Or in the case of the buyer, when he believes the domainer is someone who is desperate for cash.

I think negotiations don't have to be dragging into complications like this. Just show me the money, bargain with numbers, if no deal, then move on. But then again, it appears people are required to INTIMIDATE the other side, so he will surrender on your terms.

 

[asdomar]

If I were you I'd list the domain at Sedo with a fixed BIN and forward the domain to the offer page. This could put some pressure to this type of end user.

 

[husain.raw]

There is no doubt in this case that the buyer was too uninformed! But the Seller should also have made a point in making him aware of the current business trends in this industry by showing him the latest dnjournal statistics and the sales volume of Sedo and Afternic.

I wouldn't guarantee that he would have agreed for the deal after becoming aware about domain names, but atleast he wouldn't have low-balled like this in future.