Pending domain snapped up?

[Humdizzy]

There is a domain that is currently pendingDelete; however, when I go to snapnames, it says that the domain will go up for auction on a certain date.

Does this mean that Snapnames already has control over this name, even though its pendingDelete, or is Snapnames just trying to offer me a backorder service?

 

[Erdy]

There is something wrong. Snapnames wouldn't say that a pending delete domain will go to auction because it won't if you are the only person to backorder. Either you have misunderstood what it says or the domain is not pending delete.

I'm guessing the domain is not pending delete but it is pre-release. If you check the whois carefully, probably it says pending delete somewhere else and not in the domain status. Sometimes registrars incorrectly use pending delete in the address field or nameserver field.

Can you confirm that "status" is pending delete?
http://www.moniker.com/pub/Whois

I don't think that domain is dropping. The expiry date is probably less than 45 days which means it is pre-release.

 

[Humdizzy]

It is in fact pendingDelete. I have placed a bid at SnapNames and a backorder at GoDaddy; however, I'm questioning how smart it would be to place a bid at SnapNames, especially since the name would be brought into public auction immediately for everyone to bid on. SnapNames gives the day the domain will be released, but says nothing about actually having the name. Could this be a marketing tactic?

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Name Server: NS45.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Name Server: NS46.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Status: pendingDelete
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[Erdy]

Yes, it s indeed pending delete. I can tell you the following about this domain name:

1) When you type this domain at snapnames home page and make a search you will see a date. That date is the dropping date of that domain. It is also the last day for you to backorder. It will cost you $69 minimum. There will be no auction if you are the only person to backorder.

2) The best place to backorder is snapnames. However you can also backorder at namejet as well. It doesn't hurt. You don't need to backorder at godaddy. Godaddy doesn't have any priority over this domain. For pending delete domains the previous registrars don't have the slightest advantage.

3) That domain was auction at auctions.godaddy.com about a month ago and nobody bought it. It even went through godaddy closeouts where you could buy it for $17 at fixed price. If you had opened that domain you would have seen a link to the auction page. You could buy instantly, without any auction for $17 at godaddy but now you are too late.

4) The drop time for .com is 2pm eastern time:
http://wwp.eastern-standard-time.com/

At snapnames you can backorder until 13:45 for $69
At namejet until 12:00 for $69
At godaddy.com until 13:00 for $21
At name.com for $50 on a first come first served basis without auction, not sure about the time.

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SnapNames gives the day the domain will be released, but says nothing about actually having the name.

Snapnames doesn't have the domain and there will be no auction if you are the only bidder. If there are multiple bidders there will be an auction between you but it won't be public. Public auctions happen in some pre-release expired domains.

 

[Humdizzy]

Yes, it s indeed pending delete. I can tell you the following about this domain name:

1) When you type this domain at snapnames home page and make a search you will see a date. That date is the dropping date of that domain. It is also the date for your last backorder. It will cost you $69 minimum. There will be no auction if you are the only person to backorder.

2) The best place to backorder is snapnames. However you can also backorder at namejet as well. It doesn't hurt. You don't need to backorder at godaddy. Godaddy doesn't have any priority over this domain. For pending delete domains the previous registrars don't have the slightest advantage.

3) That domain was auction at auctions.godaddy.com about a month ago and nobody bought it. It even went through godaddy closeouts where you could buy it for $17 at fixed price. If you had opened that domain you would have seen a link to the auction page. You could buy instantly, without any auction for $17 at godaddy but now you are too late.

4) The drop time for .com is 2pm eastern time:
http://wwp.eastern-standard-time.com/

At snapnames you can backorder until 13:45 for $69
At namejet until 12:00 for $69
At godaddy.com until 13:00 for $21
At name.com for $50 on a first come first served basis without auction, not sure about the time.

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Snapnames doesn't have the domain and there will be no auction if you are the only bidder. If there are multiple bidders there will be an auction between you but it won't be public.

Thanks for your help. I have the name backordered at both registrars.

 

[supruser]

Just a quick question to help me understand. Why would you backorder and pay the larger fees vs waiting for it to drop and hand regging at 2GD around 2pm timeframe? Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Erdy]

supruser,

There are about 10 different backorder companies and hundreds of domainers who use their own script. All of these try to register the domain every second during the drop window, which lasts about two hours.

You have absolutely zero chance of hand registering a domain if anybody has backordered it on any backorder service or is trying to catch it with his own script.

In fact you need to be much faster than 1 time per second. You need to try to register the domain 50 times per second if you want to get it. You can not do this but snapnames.com can because they will assign an army of different registrars that work for them to try to register the domain the moment it drops.

On one side, imagine one poor guy in front of his computer refreshing a page and clicking on a button. On the other side imagine a complicated process of calculation of miliseconds of exact drop time and 50 different registrars who have direct access to the registry all try to jump on on the same time at the same time.

You can only hand register a domain if none of the 500 people want it, who scan those lists every day.

 

[Humdizzy]

I got the name with Snapnames and not GoDaddy. Because of that, I feel like I could've gotten it with just GoDaddy. But hey, I still have a backorder credit.

Thanks for the advice.

 

[thx1138ga]

That was very interesting, thanks. I just got educated!

supruser,

There are about 10 different backorder companies and hundreds of domainers who use their own script. All of these try to register the domain every second during the drop window, which lasts about two hours.

You have absolutely zero chance of hand registering a domain if anybody has backordered it on any backorder service or is trying to catch it with his own script.

In fact you need to be much faster than 1 time per second. You need to try to register the domain 50 times per second if you want to get it. You can not do this but snapnames.com can because they will assign an army of different registrars that work for them to try to register the domain the moment it drops.

On one side, imagine one poor guy in front of his computer refreshing a page and clicking on a button. On the other side imagine a complicated process of calculation of miliseconds of exact drop time and 50 different registrars who have direct access to the registry all try to jump on on the same time at the same time.

You can only hand register a domain if none of the 500 people want it, who scan those lists every day.

 

[winterwind.com]

If you really need the domain and cannot take a chance of someone else getting it, then backorder with Snapnames, Namejet, or Pool.

But if it is an average name, there's a good chance no one else is backordering it. In which case you are wasting over fifty dollars by backordering it. In this case, it makes more sense to wait for it to drop and then hand reg it. Domains begin dropping at 2pm EST and most have dropped by 3pm.