One year investment - Best returns?

[chimaera]

I have some money from a recent bonus and want to invest it for about a year (at which point I'll be getting married and go on honeymoon, so will likely 'cash out').

I could of course look to shares, savings accounts etc - but I am fairly confident that properly invested, domains will make me the best return.

I have $1-2000 to invest.

I already bought a couple of lll.org domains for what I believe are below market rate, and I expect to make a good return on those.

So, more lll.orgs? A couple of lll.nets? Or something more radical like l-l-l.com, llll.com, llll.net etc (all of which I am still not convinced by ...).

 

[squid]

LLL.net's IMO are a fair bet. They're within your budget range and i highly doubt their price will drop. If you could go as high as LLL.com's they'd be the best thing, but they'rw a bit out of your budget.

You could try and invest in 10 or 15 LLLL.net's they're doing pretty well and in about a year they'll either have or be nearing full buyout.

 

[bricio]

dont invest in L-L-L.com if you want a good ROI in only one year because they are 3-5 year investment
i just wrote today about them... just read the thread about L-L-L.com and investment

i would say good LLLL.com's arent so radical as L-L-L.com or LLLL.net excluding CVCVs but i dont know about profit in regards to LLLL.net

 

[Tempest111]

i say premium LLLL.nets if you're looking for the best ROI. they go for 10-15 now, within a year thats sure to at the very least double.

 

[Ross]

I wont tell you how to invest your money but i will tell you this. With the amount of money you have there you have a chance to make quite a bit of money off of that. "You have to spend money to make money" is the old saying. Now if i were you i would be as active in the domaining world as you can. I would not just buy some names and hope they acrew some money in a year. Being active is key to making money in this industry.

 

[chimaera]

Ta for the advice so far. @squid, I don't think I can stretch to lll.com, but even if I could I am not convinced I would get the best % return on my money ...

As for llll.nets, I will do some research and check them out.

Tivo's comment makes a lot of sense also - I have been active in the past but not for a year or two. I need to catch up!

 

[dag]

I agree that premium LLLL.nets (CVCVs, quad premiums) are probably your best 1-year bet.

However, if you'd consider looking at a 3- to 5-year investment, I'd say L-L-L.com is definitely the way to go. These will easily double to triple your money (and possibly more) in that time span.

 

[deleted984054565403]

If you're looking at short domains, you should stick with LLL .org. They're really undervalued right now. If I were you, I'd pick up a few more around $300 or so. As I've been saying, I think they'll (almost) bridge the price gap between .ORG and .NET within the next year -- and I'm not just saying that since I own a few.

I know there are a few full-time domainers doing the same by stocking up on LLL .orgs. I've been picking up LLL.orgs below 3character.com's minimum value on Afternic and Sedo quite often.

I'm personally avoiding LLLL .net. They'll always only be a fraction of what LLLL .com will ever be -- and LLLL .com is struggling to stay above $50 minimum right now. :imho:

LLLL .com seems to be a shaky arena right now unless you've got a solid name. It's not difficult to get lucky on a decent LLLL .com if you try hard enough. CVCV and VCVC domains are always sought after.

 

[dag]

I'm personally avoiding LLLL .net. They'll always only be a fraction of what LLLL .com will ever be -- and LLLL .com is struggling to stay above $50 minimum right now. :imho:

Quad-premium and CVCV .coms certainly aren't struggling -- and that's the only type of .NET I'm recommending investing in, because they're going to be anything but shaky in the next few years.

 

[deleted984054565403]

Quad-premium and CVCV .coms certainly aren't struggling -- and that's the only type of .NET I'm recommending investing in, because they're going to be anything but shaky in the next few years.

Sorry -- I should have clarified -- the "worst" LLLL value is what's shaky. "Good" LLLL names are doing just fine.

 

[labrocca]

I am also amazed that more aren't discussing PREMIUM LLLL.com's. And I don't mean just premium letters but pronouncables and brandables. Personally any solid investor will diversify as much as possible (eggs in one basket theory).

diversified investment strategy
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1 LLLL.com pronouncable ($400-$800)
10 LLLL.net's ($200)
2 CCC.com's ($500-$600)
1 LLL.net ($1k)
5 LLL.biz ($200-$400)
5 LLL.us ($200-$400)

 

[chimaera]

I have thought about the diversified approach, and your suggestions are interesting - but I won't touch .biz or .us. I am going to look for a few more lll.orgs I think.

With llll.coms, I see the prices being paid, I have read and read people's arguments for why the prices are so high ... but I still don't get it. I have a number of very brandable 5L.coms that apparently aren't worth as much as a trash 4L.com.

That said, if I can be sure of the prices increasing, whatever the reason, then it may be worthwhile.

 

[Pred]

Quality LLLL.com & L-L-L.com :gl:

 

[DANIDOMINIOS]

And what do you think about LLLLL.COM pronounceable? Like VCVCV, CVCVC, CVVCV or CVCVV? You can still register some good ones...

 

[Michael]

Please don't speculate with LLLL.nets if you need to have the money in a year, your wife will never forgive you. I would either get a CVCV.com, an LLL.net with a few LLL.orgs, or try to grab a decent generic in the drop auctions. Someone snagged DNSales.com for $1.4k three days ago and their high offer is $8k today. Not a bad return

I definitely agree with Etab that LLL.orgs are seriously undervalued right now, but I'm not sure they'll turn around significantly in just a year.

 

[-REECE-]

Agree 100%

Long term I feel pretty good about quad LLLL.nets, but I really wouldn't be speculating in that or lower quality LLLL.coms at this point with money I can't afford to keep invested in this market for some time (which may end up being more than 1 year, but I won't speculate on that).

I like LLL.orgs myself but have to agree with DomainRaiders -- really hard to tell if they'll spike this year, next year, few years from now...

A nice CVCV or quad premium VCVC would be your best bet imho. I'd try to stay in the 3k or less range, which I believe will be easier to resell for a nice ROI a year down the road. You can get a very nice CVCV or VCVC for under 3k if you follow the drop auctions, follow regular auctions, and follow sales threads around here. It might take awhile, but if you get a 5k CVCV for 3k, then you're off to a mighty good start, having already obtained a 66.7% ROI on Day 1.

Please don't speculate with LLLL.nets if you need to have the money in a year, your wife will never forgive you. I would either get a CVCV.com, an LLL.net with a few LLL.orgs, or try to grab a decent generic in the drop auctions. Someone snagged DNSales.com for $1.4k three days ago and their high offer is $8k today. Not a bad return

I definitely agree with Etab that LLL.orgs are seriously undervalued right now, but I'm not sure they'll turn around significantly in just a year.

 

[ecalc]

If you need the money for a 2009 wedding/honeymoon, your priorities are safety and liquidity. Consider a bank CD or money market account.

Domains, like stocks, are growth vehicles for long term risk capital. One way to manage domain investing risk is to recognize two distinct classes of domains. Not short and long domains, but traffic and non-traffic domains. Traffic domains, specifically generic type in names with growing convertible traffic, produce revenue streams competitive with alternate (non-domain) investments. Traffic names have earnings based value if liquidation becomes necessary. A non-traffic name portfolio requires constant churning before renewals to avoid negative cash flow. Some domainers churn big profits reselling non-traffic names, but the fact remains that non-traffic names have no intrinsic value and will always be challenged by available unregistered names.

 

[skylineleong]

I agree that premium LLLL.nets (CVCVs, quad premiums) are probably your best 1-year bet.

However, if you'd consider looking at a 3- to 5-year investment, I'd say L-L-L.com is definitely the way to go. These will easily double to triple your money (and possibly more) in that time span.

I agree that premium LLLL.nets (CVCVs, quad premiums)

 

[kemjika11]

worddddddd Ecalc! you said some stuff i would've heard in a college business class

THe main thing i resonated with was the "traffic" stuff. Liquidity is a big problem for many domainers. I'm sticking more to traffic names(even with not-so-great extensions), and with dropping RPCs and higher renewal fees, traffic names are only going to increase in demand. ya might as well get money back while you wait to sell the name .......

 

[chimaera]

See I'm not totally convinced by the traffic domains at the lower end. I totally agree that if you are paying thousands of dollars, traffic domains are a sound investment. But for hundreds, I think they are risky.

One set of domains has constantly increased in value over time - LLL.com.net.org. Look at this chart:

Year on year, these domains have pretty much doubled in value.

I may speculate on a few LLLL.net.com domains, but I think my safest bets are in some LLL.net.org, personally.



Glad this prompted some interesting discussion though.