.tv One of the most important consequences of changing premiums to normal renewal fees

[MillersCrossing]

I think in the short to medium term there will be little re-selling -peeps are gonna wait till everything settles down and more and more certainty takes hold of the extension and more establised .com players show their hand (or WHOIS).

Secondly, i dont see anyone buying from someone now when they had so many options to choose from. Unless they HAD TO ABSOLUTELY have it, I think everyone is spent and will certainly not consider a remarket .tv unless its supercheap and worthy of reg fee.

Thirdly, and most importantly, there was so much pressure on me financially with all the premiums I had that whilst I got lucky a few times....most times i gave in for fear of losing the deal and then having to renew the name time and again.

70% of my premiums were sold under pressure and in fact I gave a few away to people on and off this forum.

But with the weight of premiums taken off me, I have a much stronger hand, and will be prepared to lose a few sales if I dont get what I want for the domain. SO in the short to medium term, I see less sales than what we saw in 2006, but much higher figures than in 2006. IMHO.

To those with the bank balance to hold on to xx,xxx or even xxx,xxx per year without a care in the world, I dont think your worlds will change much , but for the average domainer, I think they will command much higher sales than they had with the premiums.

Another reason why higher sales will be reached is on the buyer side - no premium renewals to worry about or explain about..

So all these reasons above make .TV a much more attractive deal than 48 hours ago.

As to vanity extension coming down the line - for those who think .vid will challenge .tv, they are mistaken. no matter what vanity ext comes aboard, none will be as universally spoken or understood as TV

 

[Makis.TV]

An aftermarket was created, having more people interested in .tv's and probably more future buyers.
That also means sellers have more competition to handle than before, most of this new sellers were created just yesterday.

All of these are fine with me, a great way create a market.

 

[garptrader]

While new TLDs could give some competition, I believe the threat from other TLDs will be modest. It is the .COM crowd that mentions other TLDs in an attempt to diminish competition from their insanely-priced .COMs. Yes, most of my sales in the last six months have been .COM but I have had a fair number of alt TLD domain sales for nice ROIs for $XXX. What is almost amusing is the .COMs I am selling $XXX have no search volume. I believe in time quality .TVs will see more offers.

 

[Makis.TV]

The weird thing for me is that I stronlgy believe that gtld's will give more power to .tv's since we are going to see more awareness about non .com domains

 

[Jeff]

As to vanity extension coming down the line - for those who think .vid will challenge .tv, they are mistaken. no matter what vanity ext comes aboard, none will be as universally spoken or understood as TV

Tuvalu ".TV" is itself a vanity / niche extension ... and will, like all non established TLD's, face likely dilution pressure from the new gTLD's that are forthcoming; mainly the highly brandable .WEB, IMHO. :talk:

While I think it's a general good thing that .TV investors (even better, developers) - in the case of new registrations - will no longer be burdened with the former HEFTY annual Premium renewals; whether or not this will prove to be any type of boon in aftermarket sales prices is inconclusive (I can copy and paste an earlier, lengthy post I made on this subject (ie., "downward pressure on .TV's across the board", if so desired); the main point, though, in this context is SUPPLY versus demand.
Look around right now ... all we are seeing is domainers wildly registering and thus adding to supply! :yell:

Good Luck,
Jeff

 

[*AllThings.tv*]

Tuvalu ".TV" is itself a vanity / niche extension ... and will, like all non established TLD's, face likely dilution pressure from the new gTLD's that are forthcoming; mainly the highly brandable .WEB, IMHO. :talk:

While I think it's a general good thing that .TV investors (even better, developers) - in the case of new registrations - will no longer be burdened with the former HEFTY annual Premium renewals; whether or not this will prove to be any type of boon in aftermarket sales prices is inconclusive (I can copy and paste an earlier, lengthy post I made on this subject (ie., "downward pressure on .TV's across the board", if so desired); the main point, though, in this context is SUPPLY versus demand.
Look around right now ... all we are seeing is domainers wildly registering and thus adding to supply! :yell:

Good Luck,
Jeff

Oh look, its another ANTIFAN.

 

[Jeff]

Even ardent "fans" can see the writing on the wall ... there is an increasing overabundance of SUPPLY and no where near the expected / perceived demand, even from and amongst the .TV enthusiasts (let alone any actual End users / Developers), IMHO.
My prediction; in many cases, true aftermarket prices will be lower than new "pay the difference" Reg. fee's (which we may already be seeing happening in the case of LLL.TV's)! :imho:

Just my two sense,
Jeff

 

[MillersCrossing]

Even ardent "fans" can see the writing on the wall ... and no where near the expected / perceived demand, even from and amongst the .TV enthusiasts

Jeff,

Thats a lot if nonsense. I coudnt reg not even ONE of the names I wanted in the landrush. People were buying so fast , the credit card payment system failwhaled!! (new word perhaps??)

All through the night, the ones that I wanted and they were only two I really wanted - gone, and if you think the geo crowd got the case of once burned twice shy - forget about it - every decent geo was taken in the first five minutes

 

[mwzd]

I think in the short to medium term there will be little re-selling

If there is no reselling, it will probably be because there is no demand, not because there is no supply.

I get the feeling that we'll see a fairly active .tv aftermarket in the next few months because of the standardisation of renewal fees and the availabilty / registration of a lot of great keywords.

Secondly, i dont see anyone buying from someone now when they had so many options to choose from. Unless they HAD TO ABSOLUTELY have it, I think everyone is spent and will certainly not consider a remarket .tv unless its supercheap and worthy of reg fee.

But then that's the beauty of domains, each is unique, there is only one and someone will 'HAVE TO ABSOLUTELY have it'. Just a matter of getting timing and pricing right.

 

[Jeff]

Thats a lot if nonsense. I coudnt reg not even ONE of the names I wanted in the landrush. People were buying so fast , the credit card payment system failwhaled!! (new word perhaps??)

I'm sure a lot of folks were busy registering (and charging too much on their credit cards) ... registration demand does not necessarily translate in to aftermarket demand / market sales, IMHO. Again, there is currently too much SUPPLY and, realistically, not enough true demand, from either domainers or End users / developers. :gl:

All through the night, the ones that I wanted and they were only two I really wanted - gone, and if you think the geo crowd got the case of once burned twice shy - forget about it - every decent geo was taken in the first five minutes

I believe some fairly priced Geo's could become nice niche development projects for some; alas, sans unique development(s), many will likely not garner as much in the aftermarket as had been hoped with all the chatter and recent euphoria! :red: :imho:

Best regards,
Jeff

 

[antonis12]

Tuvalu ".TV" is itself a vanity / niche extension ... and will, like all non established TLD's, face likely dilution pressure from the new gTLD's that are forthcoming; mainly the highly brandable .WEB, IMHO. :talk:


Good Luck,
Jeff

Jeff, out of curiosity, what makes you so confident that .WEB will be so highly "brandable" that it somehow make a meaningful difference to .TV's miniscule market share...and therefore feel compelled to mentioned it in every 5th post of yours. For WEB to make such a difference, it would have to be practically another .COM or .NET.

WEB is perfectly nice and is brandable but is also an inferior version of COM or NET; it certainly does not correlate in my mind with any usage case that is not covered by COM or NET since I think they handle the usage of indicating that a URL correlates with a WEBsite pretty adequately already.

.TV is also one where the case has been made that it is highly "brandable" in that, unlike BIZ and INFO and WS and CC and whatever, there is a well established brand and usage case in the real world associated with it. And even despite this, the "brandability" of .TV has faced a major uphill battle against the strength of COM, compounded with some strange marketing approaches through the years by VSGN et al.

In short, I can respect the intellectual position that says .TV will never come near to .COM due to brandability, traffic, etc and I think it is accurate. (Which is different than saying you can't take advantage of .TV)

I am struggling with the case where you can simultaneously be negative on TV but positive on WEB because more or less every hurdle that TV faces in terms of established user behavior is faced also by WEB.

Cheers

Antonis

 

[Jeff]

I am struggling with the case where you can simultaneously be negative on TV but positive on WEB because more or less every hurdle that TV faces in terms of established user behavior is faced also by WEB.

Hi Antonis,
I'm being realistic about the ".TV"; it has proven a difficult & unique 10-year road / hurdle to try to effectively brand it as "TV" and not the ccTLD of the teeny island nation of Tuvalu ... I think very recent events, over time, will prove to be "one step forward, two steps" back IMHO. :red:

Of course, the .WEB - if it comes to fruition - won't be a ccTLD and thus pretending to be something it isn't ... most folks easily akin the "Web" as being online and the future, and it's obviously easily memorable; it is the highly brandable .WEB! :talk:
Finally, this one particular - potential - new gTLD will have a dilutive effect on the sideways ".TV", as I mentioned further above! :gl: :imho:

Kind regards,
Jeff

 

[MillersCrossing]

Hi Antonis,
I'm being realistic about the ".TV"; it has proven a difficult & unique 10-year road / hurdle to try to effectively brand it as "TV" and not the ccTLD of the teeny island nation of Tuvalu ... I think very recent events, over time, will prove to be "one step forward, two steps" back IMHO. :red:

Of course, the .WEB - if it comes to fruition - won't be a ccTLD and thus pretending to be something it isn't ... most folks easily akin the "Web" as being online and the future, and it's obviously easily memorable; it is the highly brandable .WEB! :talk:
Finally, this one particular - potential - new gTLD will have a dilutive effect on the sideways ".TV", as I mentioned further above! :gl: :imho:

Kind regards,
Jeff

Jeff, Sorry - your post is ridiculous - do u think people who reg a .tv for an online tv channel will feel cheated if they "FIND OUT" that it is a rebranded cctld????

Come on....what the hell do they care even if its a rebranded toilet seat?? If you have an interactive video site, then .tv makes sense....who cares where the name originates from.

Anyway - I highly doubt you will change any of your opinions, but you are most welcome to contine beating on the peace loving folks of Tuvalu!!

 

[GoneWalkabout]

and not the ccTLD of the teeny island nation of Tuvalu

Jeff, if you are going to attempt at supplying factual information - and all here welcome and are entertained by your attempts - you should perhaps stick to dealing with information you understand closely.

I think your knowledge of Tuvalu and, by you own definition the .Tv extension, is limited, and dare I say it, a little 'ignorant'. IMHO.

Tuvalu is not an island, but a series of islands.

I understand you need for knowledge on matters to do with Tuvalu, so perhaps you might wish to peruse the pages of

Tuvalu Islands Home Page

They make great reading and a good alternative to your usual haunts.

Thank you for you participation.

 

[Jeff]

If you have an interactive video site, then .tv makes sense....who cares where the name originates from.

VERY few "interactive video sites" ... on .TV's ... are actually ever developed and promoted; and why would an End user / Developer want to limit themselves to the TV, when what they really want is the full potential of the entire WEB :yell: :talk:

Tuvalu is not an island, but a series of islands.

^ Ok, fair enough! :lol:

See you soon,
Jeff

 

[antonis12]

VERY few interactive video sites ... on .TV's ... are actually ever developed and promoted; and why would an End user / Developer want to limit themselves to the TV, when what they really want is the full potential of the entire WEB :yell: :talk:

See you soon,
Jeff

Jeff, thanks for completely not answering my question.

What exactly is .WEB going to do to overcome the overwhelming user preference for .COM which is already associated with "the full potential of the entire WEB"

Or is the sum total of your insight here that you think "web" sounds cooler than "TV" and therefore everything should work out fine.

 

[Jeff]

Jeff, thanks for completely not answering my question.

You quoted my reply to another member ... I addressed your earlier question regarding the highly brandable .WEB and its potential dilution on the ".TV" further above in Post #12, IMHO. :gl:

Night,
Jeff

 

[antonis12]

You quoted my reply to another member ... I addressed your earlier question regarding the highly brandable .WEB and its potential dilution on the ".TV" further above in Post #12, IMHO. :gl:

Night,
Jeff

Sorry, I missed your fuller reply. Two quick thoughts.

1) I think the variance between gTLD and ccTLD to a regular web user is utterly irrelevant in that outside the domain community does not have a clue what these things mean

There is a famous GOOG video where they interviewed people on the street in Times Square and the majority did not know how to distinguish between a search engine and web browser. Shocking but true.

So ccTLD vs gTLD is inside-baseball for domaineers but irrelevant to user behavior, IMO, which is where value gets created.

I will be very surprised if users all of a sudden start flocking to .WEB, the 250th+ TLD (cc+g) just because it sounds nice. The most likely outcome is that little will happen on end-user behavior leading .WEB as brandable vehicles in the same way that .TV is a brandable vehicle. And that has a certain level of value, but not the real value that .COM has which is both the best brand and has natural traffic (which puts a floor on value because even an idiot with a parking page can make a certain amount of money on a natural traffic .COM)

2) The second thought is numerical. Let me assume for a moment that .WEB is a huge success; it won't affect .TV much just because .TV is so small.

Roughly speaking, I think there are about 160M registered domains across all TLDs and about 1M in .tv (I seemed to see the later number on the board somewhere).

So .TV is has 0.00625 (0.625%) of the market for domain registrations (1 in 160).

Let's say .WEB is a blow-out success beyond the wildest dreams of its promoters and the next 16M domains in the world are only registered in .WEB and no other TLD which would get it 10% of the domain market which would be the most successful TLD launch of all time by a factor of a lot.

So, to simplify, lets say we end up with 176M domains (160M existing plus 16M .WEB registrations).

In this world, .tv would go from accounting for 0.625% of domain registrations to 0.5682% of domain registrations. The difference between those two numbers for the purposes of: (a) type-in traffic and (b) share of the consumer mind is irrelevant. .TV is still a trivial amount of the market.

At the end of the day, .TV is a branding vehicle that requires one more element to it (development/business resources or existing traffic or existing brand or SEO) to be made useful.

That is the case today; I don't see (mathematically) how .WEB has any particularly bearing on that. The 8,000 lb gorilla is and always will be .COM and the fight will always be to claw away users from there.

Yes, there might be swings in domaineer sentiment as people switch to the brand new thing, but that is fleeting and has nothing to do with real value generation.

cheers and sorry I missed your post previously.

 

[Jeff]

cheers and sorry I missed your post previously.

No worries, nice conversation. :gl: :imho:

Have a great night,
Jeff

 

[garptrader]

.Web sounds interesting but let's take a few nice names in .TV and see how they sound in .web...

Sports, Games, Miami, RealEstate, Advertising, Safaris, Exercise, Travel, Singles, Weddings

.Web isn't bad but kind of like .info. It would work well for one-word or highly-searched phrases. But now that premium .tv renewals have been eliminated, how would they compare? How much will .web renewals run? How will they be distributed - another wild landrush where only fast-moving & well-financed domainers/developers get the best names? As has been mentioned there are developed .TV sites and a growing acceptance & recognition of the extension. A new TLD isn't going to gain instant public acceptance & a corresponding aftermarket from end users.