No intention of developing

[tony84]

I was just thinking of an idea i had (im obviously not the first person to do so). But when i typed in a domain that i thought would be perfect it had gone, thats ok and fair enough i cant complain at that, but when i seen that it was just a page saying this is for sale or even 1 of them pages where you display links and get paid for the clickthroughs etc its really annoying.

The internet is about being able to share information and be a place to work/have fun etc etc. I know im really saying this on the wrong forum as a lot of people on here make money this way, but ive been thinking and domains should be taken off people who buy domains purely to just sell on and have no intention what so ever in developing them.

rant over, and im prepared for a lot of backlash but i think i have a valid point.

 

[ezimedia]

HI

I understand where you are coming from but there is nothing
to say one has to develop a domain they buy.

You could also look at it like this,

A car dealer buys cars to resell and does not drive the cars
he buys him self is he doing something wrong..

He buys them to resell them and the same is true in the
domain name industry.

I also agree with the other posts in this thread there
would for sure be another domain name you could use for you
website or if not work out a way to get the money to buy
the domain your really want from the owner...

Thanks
Tom Dahne

 

[Acroplex]

The only complaints are from people who a) were too young or uninvolved to get those domain names when they were available b) lack imagination to come up with a domain name that would suit their needs & it's still available.

 

[harkster]

Consider this analogy. Someone bought a nice house in a nice area. The house slowly becomes delapitated, the weeds grow and still, someone lives in it. Would you bang on the door every year trying to buy the house, hoping that the owner passed away?

No. Absolutely not but in the cast you cite I could make that determination. If the owner had assumed room temperature or something else you could find this out by tax records, obits etc.
In my case if the owner id was hidden I would just grumble & go my way. In this case there is no way to learn anything. the 'public' information is bad the 'socalled' owner can not be found (I have spent xxx trying).

My first intention was to try & buy it - not to sell or PPC but to develop. Now I am fried to the point I would love to see it change hands even if it became a generic ppc site.

Sedo appraised it at mid xx,xxx about a year ago -- they had no luck trying to contact the listed contact(s). in 2001 I was ready to offer x,xxx.

Sorry about going off topic.

P.S.
If this domain was used for anything I wouldn't say a word. In the 2000/2001 they must have spent large $$$ on design and then the last development just studdenly stopped (wayback mackine) in early 2001.

 

[Acroplex]

How can you be sure it's lack of valid contact info? I have contacted owners of high-end domains, asking whether they'd be interested in selling them and several times I received no reply. I gave it a couple of months and inquired again. Some didn't bother to respond. You can't expect a) someone to sell something they own, regardless of the price and b) complaining about it doesn't allow you to move on.

 

[axilant]

Very interesting, this would be a great debate on tv... i would pay to see it... lol

Well im tired, time for bed, have school tomorrow

 

[harkster]

How can you be sure it's lack of valid contact info? I have contacted owners of high-end domains, asking whether they'd be interested in selling them and several times I received no reply. I gave it a couple of months and inquired again. Some didn't bother to respond. You can't expect a) someone to sell something they own, regardless of the price and b) complaining about it doesn't allow you to move on.

If what you say was the case no problem, Profesional researchers (non-internet) have been unable to find any such company or individual listed in the whois registar/contact. There is no such company in the city or state listed. Last reference which could be found with the 'contact name' listed as owner received a federal minority grant in (I think - been a while) 1999.

Oh yes I have moved on. In 2000 I purchased a 'run down' website. I have worked very hard to build it to a PR4 ranking/ first page in Google with at least 5 keywords/phrases. Derives income by taking a squeeze on sale of ... and generates about a 15% pay click through.

That doesn't keep me from thinking about what a waste and how much better my development would have been.

 

[sunken]

The real estate analogy is because it is property, intellectual property, but property nonetheless. Domains do not have all the rules of real estate, but enough of them that the comparison can apply. They are bought and sold with the idea of developing them, or making them a parking lot. They are all about location in cyberspace, just as real stores like to be in the right place. A short domain like bn.com is the right place. barnesandnobleonlinebookseller.com is west of town in the middle of nowhere.

I don't consider domains renting, they are buying and selling. You buy the domain either from the registrar at the reg fee or from whoever owns it. The future fees are kinda like mortgages or property tax to keep the property. And the domain in question will come due for that at some point and it will be up to the current owner on whether to let it go, or keep it for another year, two years, ten years.

Hoping the guy died because you want to see it used for something is evil to me. I wouldn't want anyone to die over a domain name, just as I wouldn't want someone to die because I don't like the way his house looks. That is one place where domains and real estate differ. There may be local zoning and restrictions placed on real estate, but there is no law that says that domains have to be developed and beautifully maintained. So if they sit at Server Not Found, it is the right of the person to leave it there. If that is what he's doing, he's an idiot, but it's his right to be one.

My 2c

If it is being renewed on the last day of the year, than it must be of value to that company or person. Perhaps they just don't want to sell it. Could be for personal reasons, who knows...

 

[equity78]

And If the name is so great Hark I think many have contacted them so it probably will be a pretty high sale price for that name. We can all sit and say develop or do whatever else I am not sure in a free society how one can feel it is their right to demand something be taken away if its not being used the way they feel it should. WHO ARE YOU over any of the other 6.5 Billion on this planet? We are talking nothing of public safety,environment, national defense, ITS a domain name use some creativity and find another name and those who are looking to develop are the ones who have aproblem here well you must be looking for a free ride like the same bastards MOle mentions because you want that free traffic if you are going to develop does not matter build it, seo, brand it you don't need a generic with 500 ovt with ext. You can develop and brand anything.

 

[harkster]

I got no problem with the realestate analogy. I aggree but that doesn't keep me from thinking that there is something funny about this particular situation. My first post about this was an inquiry about being some kind of regulations about keeping whois information current.
I get email from time to time something about keeping whois info current.

Hell I have undeveloped/parked property but I guarantee my whois is current.

 

[armstrong]

Maybe the whois is current, but he simply does not want to respond to emails from out of the blue. Have you tried calling him at the whois-listed phone number? If it means so much to you, you could also try sending snail-mail, or even flying out to visit at his physical address. Real estate buyers do this (send real email or fly out) when necessary to get in contact with property owners.

 

[harkster]

Maybe the whois is current, but he simply does not want to respond to emails from out of the blue. Have you tried calling him at the whois-listed phone number? If it means so much to you, you could also try sending snail-mail, or even flying out to visit at his physical address. Real estate buyers do this (send real email or fly out) when necessary to get in contact with property owners.

I have said repeatidly THE PHONE NUMBERS ARE NO GOOD. The name is not that common & called many people of that name. There is no such company at the listed address or that city or that state or the state where it was origionally formed. The whois phone # for the company is no good. I spent several hundred $ trying to locate this person with no luck.

I AM NOT LOOKING FOR A FREEBY -- in the 2000/2001 market I could have and would have paid a fair market value. In the today market I could not justify a xx,xxx price based on my use.

If this entity wishes to not be known -- just hide the whois info.

Right, others have tried. In my research I found evidence that I am not the only one looking for the owner.

Someone is paying the renewal. I think that the register/ICCAN should be able to locate this entity and make sure whois info is current.

This has become something that I love watching. The site was down for a few months in '04 & I thought that this auction will be fun to watch but then someone paid the bill & renewed. At this point I am no longer looking & would love to see it drop & go to auction just to see how much it would fetch.

 

[Shucks]

WHOIS Data Problem Report

Is there a way to do something about bad whois info. There is a domain I have been watching for 3 years. The whois info is no good, . . .

Yes.

Submit a WHOIS Data Problem Report

http://wdprs.internic.net/

 

[harkster]

Yes.

Submit a WHOIS Data Problem Report

http://wdprs.internic.net/

Thank you very much.

 

[IAmAllanShore]

Whatever their reason for wanting to keep it (And their spending $ on it), I don't think we can judge their reason to be any less valid/noble than your own without knowing the name and the full story.
I wish you the best of luck, but realize some names will never be ours, no matter how badly we want them
-Allan

 

[equity78]

Good Points Allan because the people who have stated they want domains who ordained them good we don't know the names or their plans with the names, just they want them. I did not hear any mention of the greater good, non profit, making the world a safer place, curing ills. AND not saying your online efforts have to be altruistic or philanthropic but if they are not in that area, then you get them or don't get them just like everybody else.

 

[harkster]

Whatever their reason for wanting to keep it (And their spending $ on it), I don't think we can judge their reason to be any less valid/noble than your own without knowing the name and the full story.
I wish you the best of luck, but realize some names will never be ours, no matter how badly we want them
-Allan

I thought I was clear. I wish I had registered the name (could have but wasn't really doing 'internet stuff' then) in 1998. In 2001 I would have tendered an offer could I have contacted the owner(s).
I fully realize that owning this name will never happen. The owner(s) of the name ARE perfectly within their rights to do whatever they want as I am with names I own.
There are clear rules (which I read yesterday) about the whois information be current avd valid.
This IS NOT the case with this name and has NOT BEEN the case for several years. The registar should be taking steps to correct that situation (not just this one case but EVERY case).

I find it extremely interesting that I am being seen as the 'bad guy' here.

 

[primacomputer]

Actually a good way to look at a domain name is as real estate with the registration fee being rates, property tax, etc. There have been a number of court decisions that have helped to reinforce this.

With other property that is abandoned there are various procedures for claiming it, having it removed, etc. Generally they just involve posting notices every for months over a long period of time. This does not apply to real estate. It logically follows that if a domain is like real estate then there should be no way to claim an “abandoned” one.

If a house in a nice area is not maintained there will be fines imposed, these will become liens against the property, and it will eventually be auctioned off.

The closest thing with a domain is that it can be deleted if the contact information is invalid. This will probably result in it being auctioned at some drop site. If that's what you want to see then report it to the registrar. Bear in mind that most registrars sent out a mail about verifying contact information just a few months ago, so it's probably not as wrong as you think it is

 

[Castlemelody]

Greetings!

I was just reading the thread and I personally feel somehow sad on what is going on nowadays. Some people are buying domains without any intention of developing them in the near future. In my opinion (which I am entitled to), that is just really plain selfishness. I mean somebody out there may have a bright idea that goes with the domain. Oh well, that is the reality.

The other thing that I observed is that some people are literally waiting just to grab those expired domains without any intention to develop, but to simply park it over SEDO or other places. I don't really hate those people, but I am just disappointed looking over those domains undeveloped.

Thank you for hearing out my opinion.

You take care everyone!

 

[Badger]

Im sorry but this has to be said.... Anyone who believes that commodities of value (be it whatever commodity you darn well like) will not be bought and sold by speculators for profit is living in a buddhist fantasy land where everything is just a dream and the inhabitants are the imaginations of themselves... (BH, 1988).. For this is what economy and capitalism is all about... I dont wanna go to work everyday breaking my balls for some A'hole boss (me).

And I have to say also, and im a bit embarressed about this, if i were offered a $m domain for a hundred bucks, id probably not develop.... :red: And I gets da feelin you guys would also all be the same, including, i would bet, everyone here harking on about "wouldnt it be nice to see all domain names developed into a lovely website"...

And if they still say no, they wouldnt, i would strongly recommend anyine saying that, re-thinking this one through...

The defense rests

 

[mole]

Anyone who believes that commodities of value (be it whatever commodity you darn well like) will not be bought and sold by speculators for profit is living in a buddhist fantasy land where everything is just a dream and the inhabitants are the imaginations of themselves... (BH, 1988).. For this is what economy and capitalism is all about... I dont wanna go to work everyday breaking my balls for some A'hole boss (me).

Yeah, those lazy basterds :D Love them (when they actually sell you their names below $1k), and hate them (when they don't).