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NamePros member Saadkhosa has sold the same domain to three NP members and refused to deliver

Labeled as warning in Warnings and Alerts, started by xynames, Jun 22, 2021

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  1. xynames

    xynames XYNames.com PRO VIP

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    NamePros member
    Saadkhosa
    has created three separate auction threads for the domain lay4 dot com

    https://www.namepros.com/threads/bundle-eyeservant-com-lay4-com.1227499/
    https://www.namepros.com/threads/lay4-com-1.1228719/
    https://www.namepros.com/threads/lay4-com-for-sale.1241465/

    In the first auction, which ended on or about February 13, 2021, the winner was apparently PixelCorp and Saadkhosa somehow managed to delete her high bid post off the thread, and left a user message on her profile to the effect of that he will not deliver at her winning bid price:
    [​IMG]

    In the second auction, ending February 21, 2021, the winner was Lil85 and again Saadkhosa refused to perform.

    The third auction, I won June 21, 2021, and Saadkhosa sent me a private message (witnessed by Alfa Mod Team) again affirming that he will not perform:
    [​IMG]

    I became aware of the two prior auctions sometime after I won.

    Given the repeated violations, I think Saadkhosa should be booted out of NamePros (or at least completely restricted from further selling) if he doesn't perform and sell the domain to at least one of us high bidder winners.
     
    Last edited: Jun 22, 2021
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  2. PixelCorp

    PixelCorp Established Member

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    Agreed, if you don't want to sell to the highest bidder put a reserve on or start the auction at a price you'd accept.
     
  3. mr-x

    mr-x Top Contributor VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Only thing I hate more then someone cancelling a sale is someone refusing to pay.
     
  4. bmugford

    bmugford www.DataCube.com PRO VIP ICA Member ★★★★★★★★★★

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  5. Paul

    Paul CTO, NamePros CTO VIP Gold Account

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    Because nobody even reported it until yesterday.
     
  6. bmugford

    bmugford www.DataCube.com PRO VIP ICA Member ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Fair enough. I assume NamePros moderators will take appropriate action.

    Brad
     
  7. Future Sensors

    Future Sensors 78% of human domainers will be replaced by robots Gold Account

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    This is interesting, what happened here exactly?
     
  8. Paul

    Paul CTO, NamePros CTO VIP Gold Account

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    They made a cryptic post that almost seemed to be bidding on their own auction. In hindsight, they were probably attempting to ask for a higher price, given their later messages. At the time, a moderator deemed it invalid and replaced it with a bump.
     
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  9. PixelCorp

    PixelCorp Established Member

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  10. NickB

    NickB it's a mystery VIP

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    what is wrong with some people - starting an auction means you are obligated to sell at the highest price or BIN - it's not a question of not wanting to.........

    @Saadkhosa even if you are not banned permanently (which you should be) then your name is muck and no one is going to do business with you again.....all for the sake of a few lousy dollars, hope it was worth it....
     
  11. Paul

    Paul CTO, NamePros CTO VIP Gold Account

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    Your bids were deleted because the auction was already over. You won the domain for a lower price than the bids that were deleted.

    Edit: Actually, it appears a different person won--but, again, for a lower price. The member appeared to be continuing to run the auction after it had ended.
     
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  12. Paul

    Paul CTO, NamePros CTO VIP Gold Account

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    After investigating further:

    That's not true on multiple counts.

    For one, the first auction had no bids. @PixelCorp's bids were on the second auction.

    Secondly, a moderator deleted her bids bids because they occurred after the auction had already ended. She would have received the following alert:


    In the interest of transparency, I've restored the affected posts, along with another late bid that was deleted.

    It wouldn't have been clear that the auction had ended, given that @Saadkhosa was continuing to bump the thread at the time, but the moderator's conclusion appears to be correct: @Lil85 is the legitimate winner of the second auction.

    The third auction appears to have been won by @xynames, but that whole auction will likely be considered invalid given that @Lil85 won the first auction and @Saadkhosa failed to follow through.

    The first auction never had any bids, so that thread isn't relevant here.
     
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  13. xynames

    xynames XYNames.com PRO VIP

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    The point of all this is that Saadkhosa has listed the same domain for sale multiple times in multiple auctions and has refused to sell (and is continuing to refuse to sell) the domain to any one of us high bidders. Let's face it, he's not going to release the domain to any of us, is the point of this thread.

    It's like that line from Swingers:
    I don't care if I end up with her or one of her beautiful baby friends.
    i.e., I don't care if Saadkhosa sells the domain to me, or to one of the other auction winners - as long as he sells it!
     
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  14. xynames

    xynames XYNames.com PRO VIP

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    Viewing the restored bids in
    https://www.namepros.com/threads/lay4-com-1.1228719/
    it looks even worse for the seller. Saadkhosa not only ignored the winner Lil85, he contacted the slightly higher bidder PixelCorp and told her that he wouldn't even accept her bid and asked her to make a higher direct offer.
     
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  15. Samer

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    My friends, this is why new accounts are treated like the plague. It reflects on all noobs.

    Now you know why many require 3+ feedback to be allowed to participate in their NP auctions
     
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  16. Paul

    Paul CTO, NamePros CTO VIP Gold Account

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    It's not ideal that there are several claims in the first post that turned out to be incorrect, though. I understand that it happens in the heat of the moment; we all want to see justice prevail, so we can end up getting excited and jumping to conclusions.

    When we restrict an account, we need a solid trail of evidence in case it's ever challenged. We need to be able to document exactly how we came to each conclusion. Threads like this one have a tendency to blur reality a bit. This thread was created just under 24 hours after the matter was brought to a moderator's attention; it would've been helpful to give the moderators a little time before encouraging public speculation. The moderator did give you a deadline by which point @Saadkhosa had to follow through, and that deadline hasn't been reached yet. Now that more information has come to light, they may opt not to wait, but obviously getting the domain to the winner would be ideal. It'll be up to them.

    Yes, there are several behaviors here that don't look great. It would be helpful if people could report any DMs or other communications they have received relating to this matter so they can be taken into account.
     
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  17. DirkS

    DirkS Dutchman.info VIP

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    You guys can do your part and leave a negative trade review. Having only 3x negative feedback is almost as good as a ban. It'll warn other members if he'll try to sell it again while his account isn't suspended yet.
     
  18. Avijit Roy

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  19. NUMDN

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    The NP team should come forward and take action immediately once they are notified
     
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  20. NUMDN

    NUMDN Restricted (Market) Blue Account

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    This will ruin the reputation and credibility of the NP platform itself if this kind of incidents occurs frequently. Hope NP team come forward and take immediate and appropriate action.
     
  21. MasterOfMyDomains

    MasterOfMyDomains Top Contributor VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Thanks OP for posting this. Wondering why there is no restrictions on the alleged criminals account.
    No negative trade reviews with 3 failed actions. Thanks for keeping us informed Paul
     
  22. CraigD

    CraigD Top Contributor VIP

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    It looks like Paul and mods are looking into the matter and have given the member a deadline to honour his agreement.

    While the members actions are unethical and not in the spirit of the forum rules, I don't see that a crime has been committed ;)
     
  23. comRaid

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    Message I took : Unsold Word+N (LLLN) .com may fetch reg fee here.
     
  24. MasterOfMyDomains

    MasterOfMyDomains Top Contributor VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    This happens a lot here Craig. You agree to rules when you offer name for sale here. 3 times? They wont honour their agreement, bet ya $20
    Criminal, debatable choice of words.
    Dishonest for sure, as i said this happens far to often at namepros.
    There was some 4L auctioned in november. Closed to verify ownership. The end. No update.
    Dishonest person that wont honour agreements will be final ending.
    Hopefully there is more transparency about dishonest activity at namepros in the future
    Still no negative trade reviews or warning on accused account. @Saadkhosa transfer the name, trust me its in your best interest
     
  25. Future Sensors

    Future Sensors 78% of human domainers will be replaced by robots Gold Account

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    I think some of the problems mentioned are caused by the way auctions take place via normal messages on this forum. Although there are NamePros guidelines for the message format and the auction process, it is not a full-fledged auction platform that has been designed for this purpose from the ground up. And although the moderation is usually fine, there will be situations that the moderators won't notice by themselves, while they should. Such as non-delivery followed by restarting the exact same auction with the same domain in a new thread.
     
    Last edited: Jun 23, 2021

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