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NamePros member Saadkhosa has sold the same domain to three NP members and refused to deliver

Labeled as warning in Warnings and Alerts, started by xynames, Jun 22, 2021

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  1. noneisnone

    noneisnone 444 VIP Gold Account

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    @Paul while we have you here i reported shill bidding a while back and mods seems to think nothing was going on even tho couple of other users noticed the same thing a group of 3 users shill bidding each other.
     
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  2. Paul

    Paul CTO, NamePros CTO VIP Gold Account

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    That's usually a bad sign, though I can't speak for the particular incident to which you're referring. If there's no public update and the domain auction never continues, that may mean we suspect it's stolen or not in the seller's possession but can't prove it. It can also mean that the seller simply wasn't willing to offer proof of ownership.

    There's a placeholder warning on the account while a moderator continues to work with the seller and the winner, and the account is being monitored. It'll show as a restriction if @Saadkhosa still fails to honor the auction, but we're not going to do that without giving @Saadkhosa a chance to resolve the issue now that a moderator is involved and the rules have been explained. Of course, if they decide to use that grace period for shenanigans, it'll be cut short.

    Agreed. On one hand, it offers a lot of flexibility; on the other, that flexibility can make oversight difficult.

    If you'd like to DM me or add me to any relevant DMs, I can look into it.
     
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  3. noneisnone

    noneisnone 444 VIP Gold Account

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    @Paul pm sent Thank you for taking a look :)
     
  4. xynames

    xynames XYNames.com PRO VIP

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    If I leave Saadkhosa a well deserved negative feedback, what's to stop him from unjustifiably retaliating against me with a neg? Although in general it seems like this guy is as asleep at the wheel as NamePros members and mods were in letting him keep creating auctions for the same domain, such retaliation is possible.
     
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  5. bmugford

    bmugford www.DataCube.com PRO VIP ICA Member ★★★★★★★★★★

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    I think it would be the duty of the mods to remove blatant retaliatory feedback, especially with this level of documentation.

    Brad
     
  6. DirkS

    DirkS Dutchman.info VIP

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    Retaliatory feedback is not allowed. When/if that happens contact the mods. They will remove it. Experienced that first hand which made them ban the user eventually.
     
  7. Paul

    Paul CTO, NamePros CTO VIP Gold Account

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    It would likely be removed by a moderator if reported.
     
  8. xynames

    xynames XYNames.com PRO VIP

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  9. CraigD

    CraigD Top Contributor VIP

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    I totally understand your frustration, but also don't want to see valued members like yourself getting pulled up over a 'debatable choice of words'.

    Hope this works out for everybody involved.
     
  10. LUP

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    why isn't he banned? @Alfa Mod Team
    According to the rules here, the bidding is binding
     
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  11. Paul

    Paul CTO, NamePros CTO VIP Gold Account

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    I explained the situation in a lengthy post earlier in the thread, but the seller has been given a deadline, June 28, by which they need to transfer the domain. That corresponds to 7 days after moderators were first alerted of the issue. That's the same deadline that was given to them before this thread was created.

    Of course, if they choose to abuse that grace period, it will be cut short.
     
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2021
  12. Raj045

    Raj045 Established Member

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    I have also faced same situation, when I won auction of ndfm.in for $1 and seller Dev Sharma demanded $500 for the domain. Alfa Mod Team also warned him but he is failed to honor their binding agreement. Finally I've left Negative Feedback for him.
     
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  13. xynames

    xynames XYNames.com PRO VIP

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    Saadkhosa hasn’t even logged in to NamePros since last Wednesday the 23rd and the deadline for him to honor any one of his auctions ended yesterday on the 28th.

    He flat out told me and every other winning bidder he stiffed that he would not deliver.

    He knows what he’s doing.
     
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  14. Paul

    Paul CTO, NamePros CTO VIP Gold Account

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    Then respond in the DM you have with the moderator. They're not likely to see your posts here unless they're reported.

    Giving them a deadline of June 28 doesn’t mean they’ll be restricted on June 28; it means that unless they cause further problems, they have through June 28 to resolve the issue. They’ll likely be restricted sometime today.
     
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  15. MasterOfMyDomains

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  16. Paul

    Paul CTO, NamePros CTO VIP Gold Account

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    Certainly not all threads, especially if there’s a backlog of reports. The report system forms a sort of to-do list. If you want a moderator to see something, you need to report it.

    Some issues do alert moderators automatically, but this one won’t, since it’s not in a support forum.
     
  17. Paul

    Paul CTO, NamePros CTO VIP Gold Account

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    @xynames, I see that you have reported this thread, but you need to follow the instructions I gave you yesterday if you want to expedite this. I suggested that you reply to your DM with the moderator. Have you done that yet?

    The report you filed won’t be immediately visible to the moderator handling your case because they don’t normally deal with reports in this forum. Since the report is actually about an incident that took place elsewhere, it will have to pass between teams. That adds a delay. If expediting this is a priority to you, you have to express that in the DM you have with the moderator. Otherwise, it’s going to play out as any low-impact dispute over $4 normally would.
     
  18. MasterOfMyDomains

    MasterOfMyDomains Top Contributor VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    $4 or 4k its not about amount, its about integrity. Send xynames some champagne, doing helluva job
     
  19. xynames

    xynames XYNames.com PRO VIP

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    Yes I did add to the message thread where lil85 was supposed to receive the domain to remind her to leave bad feedback for Saadkhosa, and to prompt the mod who was part of the conversation to action.
     
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  20. Paul

    Paul CTO, NamePros CTO VIP Gold Account

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    Indeed, but we do have to prioritize. It'll be handled either way, but not necessarily as quickly as if there were an imminent thread of further abuse. In this case, the member appears to have vanished.

    Thanks. If you'd like to add me to the DM, I can keep an eye on it and double-check to ensure they haven't tried to register with another account.
     
  21. Echo Mod Team

    Echo Mod Team Member Services, NamePros Super Moderator VIP

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    Hello,

    We found the conversation you had with the seller you mentioned in this thread and another moderator team, but neither the seller, nor the buyer provided any additional updates, so the moderator team working that case was not notified of the failure to honor the deal within the timeframe they outlined.

    An unacceptable business infraction has been issued for that incident.

    Please add Echo Mod Team to any other direct messages with that member involving other deals that they failed to honor so we can investigate and get more involved.

    Once we have at least two failed transactions (Including references and proof), we can then restrict their marketplace access for security reasons.

    Thanks.

    For internal use ONLY: lay4.com - NamePros
     
  22. xynames

    xynames XYNames.com PRO VIP

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    @Echo Mod Team I think an "infraction" in this case is insufficient. Will a future buyer even see it easily on Saadkhosa's profile?

    The combination of these two offenses by Saadkhosa - selling the same domain to two different parties
    (1) to lil85
    https://www.namepros.com/threads/lay4-com-1.1228719/
    (2) to xynames
    https://www.namepros.com/threads/lay4-com-for-sale.1241465/
    and delivering to neither, and as well (as documented in the direct messages) seeking a higher price from both of us auction winners, and also from PixelCorp, is worthy I think of at least full market restriction to keep him out of future auctions.

    To summarize: Saadkhosa not only sold the same domain in auctions to two different parties, but as well sought a higher price from both auction winners, and a third party.
     
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  23. Echo Mod Team

    Echo Mod Team Member Services, NamePros Super Moderator VIP

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    You post too fast, please review the following that was posted just after you posted this: https://www.namepros.com/conversations/lay4-com.3219788/message?message_id=5557658

    The members account was restricted once we were able to identify the proof of a second failed auction. We can't restrict accounts with out poof.

    It can take time (longer then five minutes in most cases) to sort through posts and gather evidence.

    We apologize for the delay.

    It would help speed these types of investigations up if all parties involved reported the incidents.

    Since the other winner never reported, we had to manually look for the incident.
     
  24. xynames

    xynames XYNames.com PRO VIP

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    Yes, I think marketplace restriction is appropriate. Thank you for working to protect NamePros and its members.
     
  25. DirkS

    DirkS Dutchman.info VIP

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    I'd like to take the opportunity to thank the mods for all past assistance provided. Although it can be a lengthy process (relatively speaking) once you alert them to an issue and they step in things will be set in motion and they act appropriately.

    This thread illustrates nicely how important it is for people to report 'shady' buyers and sellers. Help out your fellow board members, report things and leave the trade reviews so others don't have to waste their time.
     

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