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  1. oldtimer

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  3. oldtimer

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    You (and everyone else) need to give a small Description or Quote as to what a link is about so that people know what to expect before clicking on it, Thanks.
     
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    PG&E to Cut Power for Nearly 800,000 Customers Due to Wildfire Risk
    Customers could be affected by a shut-off even if they aren’t experiencing extreme weather conditions where they are

    PG&E Corp. PCG -5.22% is planning to shut off power to hundreds of thousands of people in California starting Wednesday as it seeks to prevent its electric lines from sparking more deadly wildfires, in what is believed to be the largest such pre-emptive blackout ever.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/pg-e-w...ers-due-to-wildfire-risk-11570513569?mod=e2tw
     
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    "The shut-offs are set to start shortly after midnight Wednesday and could last for multiple days and cover parts of 34 of California’s 58 counties, a huge swath of the nation’s most populous state."
    Thanks for your post @JB Lions. This is scary stuff when you consider the financial cost to businesses and private citizens, the inconvenience to everyone, and the negative consequences of limited health care and medication.
    It seems that climate change is going to present many unanticipated consequences.
     
  6. oldtimer

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    Anyone here has any experience with using Solar Panels, it's a good time for people to think about adding a small backup system in the areas that are going to lose their electric power frequently so that at the very least they can charge up their electronic devices and keep up with the news and communicate with others. If the electric power outages are going to be a norm they might as well go full solar. (or use some other source of renewable energy like wind trubines) IMO
     
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    I was curious as to how people in California are going to take this. Take it in stride, part of living there or will tempers start to flare.

    Same kind of prep you do for hurricanes. Water, batteries, food, generators, flashlights etc.
    • PG&E will begin shutting down power throughout the Berkeley Hills on Wednesday, October 9th beginning around noon. Power is expected to remain off for at least 36 hours, and potentially up to 6 days.

    • UC Berkeley is cancelling classes on Wednesday. They were informed that the transmission lines that power the core campus area will be turned off. Residence Halls are not expected to lose power.


      https://www.jessearreguin.com/blog-1/psps
    Already trending, tomorrow even more.
     
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    Maybe they are just doing this to encourage some of the people to go Solar so that there will be less load on the grid. I bet that by the forth and fifth outage some people might seriously consider that. IMO
     
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    This is the reason they gave for it, remember those big fires last year:

    What is the purpose of the Public Safety Power Shutoff?

    The two most destructive wildfires in California’s history took place in 2018 (Camp Fire, Paradise) and 2017 (Tubbs Fire, Santa Rosa). In both these fires, it was determined that they were caused by failures of electrical equipment. To help prevent future incidents of a fire being started by a similar cause, PG&E received permission to call a PSPS. These are activated if weather conditions become favorable for a wildfire to quickly spread, which consists of three main factors: high temperatures, high winds, and low humidity. Based on current weather data, PG&E may choose to implement a PSPS. PG&E aims to notify the public 48 hours before a PSPS event, and again 24 hours later, and again right before the shutoff. In extreme cases, notifications may be sent outside of those hours in the interest of safety.

    #poweroutage
    https://twitter.com/search?q=#poweroutage&src=trend_click

    They have 3 out of the top 4 terms trending for this thing
     
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    It seems like it's time to get into the survival business. I'm guessing everyone who hasn't already done it is going to start stocking up on supplies and preparing for the next disaster.
     
  11. oldtimer

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    it's understandable if they are trying to help prevent fires, but they should have thought of some ways to lower the discomfort and inconvenience that this is causing for so many people.

    I'm not sure if they have already done this or not, but they should have created several power centers powered by solar or generators in strategic locations around the affected areas so people could go to charge up their electronic devices. IMO
     
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    This is probably going to cause an uptick for solar power companies. IMO
     
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    Twenty firms produce one third of all carbon emissions, according to an Oct. 9, 2019, article in The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/09/revealed-20-firms-third-carbon-emissions).

    'The study shows that many of the worst offenders are investor-owned companies that are household names around the world and spend billions of pounds on lobbying governments and portraying themselves as environmentally responsible.

    A study earlier this year found that the largest five stock-market-listed oil and gas companies spend nearly $200m each year lobbying to delay, control or block policies to tackle climate change.

    Heede said the companies had a “significant moral, financial, and legal responsibility for the climate crisis, and a commensurate burden to help address the problem”.'

    It will be interesting to see if these firms are held accountable in any way.
     
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    Then again it's the same problem of Economical growth and health versus Environmental well being and stability that we had talked about here before. We also talked about the overweight people eating less and being in shape being better for the environment, but you don't want to starve people to make them lose weight because then they might lose muscle which is essential to their well being instead of losing excessive fat which is a burden on their body. The main problem that we have with the World now is that 150 years ago at the beginning of the Industrialization age there was no one with the vision and foresight that could have helped to set things on the right track and so human activity, growth, and production have gone rampant and have evolved to become a burden on this planet to the point that many companies which could have normally been considered to be serving humanity by creating a more comfortable, convenient, and happy life for everyone are now have become the instrument of destruction and death for this planet. But if we are going to put this World on a diet to get it back in shape we have to be careful that we don't starve the good part of capitalism which is holding the economy together, because a total economical collapse can be as devastating and harmful to the future of humanity as would global warming and the other environmental issues that are putting this planet at jeopardy.

    As I have already mentioned in order to solve the Environmental problems we have to first deal with the big picture which is the existing mindsets and the bad human characteristics that are currently in control of the World. There is not one day that we don't hear on the news about all the conflicts, killings, torture, and wars that are popping up in different corners of the World which are mostly the continuation of the wrong policies of the past that were based on cruelty, inequality, supremacy, and hunger for power and dominance and the lust for money and mortal pleasures which have clouded everyone's sense of logic and moral values. As we see the World getting engulfed in more and more hostilities and conflicts to the point that even friends and allies are now turning on each other I see no chances of achieving any global understanding and cooperation which is going to be required to solve the social and environmental problems that we are facing.

    Unless if we are willing to change the mindsets and the lifestyles that have brought the World to the point of self destruction we are not going to be able to save the Humanity and our home Planet. IMO
     
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    Greta is creating awareness and Boyan is coming up with solutions, both are serving Humanity and the Environment in their own way, on the other hand those who keep mocking others are just doing a disservice to the whole cause of saving the Planet. IMO
     
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    Exactly, they're not in competition with each other, they probably each respect the other person. Gilsan grabbed that off some anti-liberal site that literally sells make liberals cry merchandise. She's been the target of many hoaxes and hate from those on the right/fossil fuel company backed nutters - https://www.poynter.org/fact-checki...-after-her-family-image-and-activism-but-why/
     
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    Unfortunately sometimes people use underhanded tactics to destroy the voice of truth and logic by attacking the messenger since they know that they can't win the debate by allowing the message to wake people up to all the deception and lies that some of their ideologies and beliefs have propagated in support of their misguided policies that are now affecting this whole Planet and all its inhabitants. By using their Machine of propaganda and intimidation they can bring anyone down who might stand in their way of protecting their misguided agendas and pursuing their self serving interests. But I am sure that the truth backed with science will ultimately win over all their insanity and their denials. IMO
     
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    I'd add that Greta is a catalyst, stimulating Initiative in other people, which over time could add up to a Lot of planet saving actions. To try and reduce her value for saving the planet because she's not building garbage cleaning systems...
     
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    And here it goes:

    Residents evacuated after fire breaks out in Sylmar, Los Angeles
    A bush fire broke out on Thursday night in Sylmar, northern Los Angeles, California. The LA Fire Department has said that this is a "Major Emergency".

    Lots of video/pics in this link:
    https://twitter.com/i/events/1182535737746477056

    Some live feeds



    Some recorded video



     
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    Swiss Citizens Take to the Streets to Protest 5G Implementation as New Illnesses Start at Same Time
    If you want to get an idea of what will happen in the U.S. when the telecom companies start rolling out 5G networks with new towers in your local neighborhood, take a look at what is happening in Switzerland today, where 90% of the population is now exposed to the new 5G networks.

    People are getting sick, and they are marching in the streets to show their opposition to the new networks.

    https://healthimpactnews.com/2019/s...O7yksDucKupPcGAMgGPfdH10cwl89bSYP2bV5sffQ8-N8

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    Is there anything that they can do to prevent these fires from growing so fast and destroying such large areas.

    Why not get some volunteers to clean up all the underbrush and twigs that fuel these fires, maybe they can even thin out the trees so that they won't be so close together, perhaps they can make some fire barriers so even if a fire is started it won't spread too far, now I understand that they are probably doing a lot of this already, but they need to expand it further and do it at much larger scale.

    And I believe that the power company should do more in upgrading their system by putting in stronger power lines that don't break so easily with a little wind, I mean there are no hurricanes in California so how old and weak are these power lines that they break every time there is a gust of wind.

    I also still believe that if the power company is going to shut off the power for several days then they should build some power stations (solar or generator) in several strategic locations in the affected areas so that people can charge up their electronic devices (and their electric cars).

    IMO
     
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    More research needs to be done about 5g,

    For now they should limit its use only to B2B and Industrial applications before they expand it to everyday applications such as smartphones or cars. The truth of the matter is that any kind of manmade wave is going to have some effect on all living creatures since they have not evolved to get used to them over time like the way that they have gotten used to natural waves that are all around us. So perhaps 5g has to be introduced gradually and in different stages to give our bodies a chance to get used to it.

    IMO
     
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    100% - the climate always changes
    100% - we don't live on a globe ;)
     
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    Worse than 911 . . . . .

    DEW @ Paradise killed thousands.



    WARNING: this video may lead to more intuition and logic fusing into cohesion . . . until the tipping point occurs and the red pill has fully been swallowed and assimilated into your DNA.

    Perk after red pill consumption: Once the red pill is swallowed and alchemized, your BS detector will be top notch and an enhanced ability to discern truth from fiction will lead your every waking day.
     

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