new gtlds Mike Mann: “Read my lips gTLDs are D*E*A*D, absolutely no demand!”

[lennco]

Mike Mann shared on Facebook my article about the bad landrush phase that .Blog domains had last week and also shared his views on the New gTLDs in general:

Read my lips gTLDs are D*E*A*D, absolutely no demand! This was the best out of thousands, along with .web and .app Better luck with other snake oil. .Com stays king. If you also voted for Hillary, rough week. TYVMI.

He also made several other comments about new extensions such as:

How about don’t but them at all, they serve no purpose and cause many problems, and waste a lot of time and money.

Now that everyone knows gTLDs are dead, please Google “Mike Mann gTLDs” and you will see I hit the predictions spot on.

He continued by quoting my article:

Ruggh ruoggh, too many scooby snacks: “So the .blog registry made more than $150,000 from the landrush phase. That doesn’t seem bad but the registry spent $19 million to get rights for the .blog new extension.” Not counting millions per year of overhead. Lesson learned, listen to the mann next time and stick with .Com

He then made more comments like:

“Don't renew your fancy new gtld domains. The experiment is over. No material resale market will take root.”

Mike replied to a comment made by Phil Harris

26 million registered and new sites being launched daily .. X.company being used by Google , Rightside stock just raised to buy status by zachs investment firm .. Awareness growing , secondary 6 figure sales being made , Mike I would say you should watch the movie God is not dead ..

by saying

sure sounds like a bubble

Mike today talked about Google and .soy:

Google spent some energy telling me how ".soy" domain extension was going to be the next big thing a while back, I tried to splain what was up….. Not to discount the fine folks, fancy offices, and great buffet. Googs, gimme a buzz, I’m still a know it all.

Drinking own Koolaid instead of listening to grassroots in the streets

Technically I havent checked the sales numbers but lets take a wild guess, dramatically lower than their expenses…….. like I told them nicely before they invested

Konstantinos Zournas November 14, 2016
http://onlinedomain.com/2016/11/14/...nn-read-lips-gtlds-dead-absolutely-no-demand/

 

[Bram C.]

The price structure (Call it a conspiracy theory) looks more like an attempt by the registries to thwart/prevent domain cybersquatting by resellers (By having a higher reg/renewal fee) and target end users directly. Now, instead of having to pay $50k+ for a .com from a reseller that could have been registered for $8 to $15, an end user can go direct and get a new gTLD to brand for $25, $150, or $2k+ (Still much cheaper than the reseller/cybersquatter price).

All that tells me is that as a domain investor I would be smart to stay away from the new gTLDs as it's obvious the registries are the domainers here. Which I have been saying all along

 

[Kate]

The irony is domainers registering names in nTLDs while the matching .com is unregistered...
Or when pricing their domains they don't bother to check if the .com is for sale and for how much. If the .com is priced at 2K and your name is priced at 1.5K good luck.
Making a sale is not the problem. The problem is to repeat the feat again and again, and get a proof of concept that can be reproduced.

 

[frank-germany]

Steve Jones - @Domainate.com answered this on Quora:

Steve Jones, Domainate.com COO, a domain industry professional for 7 years, offers consulting and training on acquisitio...
Answered 24 Mar 2011
Believe it or not, until 1995, domain registration was free. Network Solutions was granted the authority to start charging for them in 1995, at which point cost of domain registration was $100 for 2 years of registration, which dropped to $70 for 2 years in 1997. Bear in mind they were the sole source of domain registrations until 1998 when ICANN was formed and forced Network Solutions to split its registry and registrar sides and allow other registrars to resell domains from the registry.

--> for 2 years of registration, which dropped to $70 for 2 years in 1997.

that was 2 times $70

Steve Jones - @Domainate.com answered this on Quora:

Steve Jones, Domainate.com COO, a domain industry professional for 7 years, offers consulting and training on acquisitio...
Answered 24 Mar 2011
Believe it or not, until 1995, domain registration was free. Network Solutions was granted the authority to start charging for them in 1995, at which point cost of domain registration was $100 for 2 years of registration, which dropped to $70 for 2 years in 1997. Bear in mind they were the sole source of domain registrations until 1998 when ICANN was formed and forced Network Solutions to split its registry and registrar sides and allow other registrars to resell domains from the registry.

maybe I remember wrongly
maybe i can find can invoice of 1998

 

[deez007]

Warren Buffet has repeatedly said Bitcoins are a horrible investment and people should not waste their time investing in Bitcoins...

Interesting isn't it.... One of the most notable investors in the word told people not to invest in probably one of the best investments in our lifetime. Chances are he repeatedly wanted people to steer clear of Bitcoin because it made a mockery of the traditional investments, the investment model that he spent decades mastering. Now when Bitcoin came about, it provided the opportunity for new kids on the block to make rake in returns on investments that Warren Buffet couldn't dream of achieving with the traditional investment platforms (I'm not talking about the monetary value, I'm referring the the % return on investment... nothing in Warrens portfolio could generate 2000% return on investment in a few years)

Same principle here... not saying we can expect insane 2000% return on investment but the point I'm making is that even industry leaders can get it wrong... OR have ulterior motives. If this can apply to Warren Buffet you can bet your sheeple @ss it applies to Mike M as well.

 

[sarahsdomains]

Everyone has an opinion, and if they were always right they wouldn't be arguing their case repeatedly.

The truth is, trends on the WWW are changing on a daily basis and anyone who discourages it's advancing opportunities or belittles others who are trying their own strategies of entrepreneurism deserves to be told to shut up.

GTLD'S MIGHT BE THE NEXT DOT COM
AND YOU CAN NOT DEFINITIVELY DISPROVE IT.

SO DONT TRY IT MANN

 

[frank-germany]

--> for 2 years of registration, which dropped to $70 for 2 years in 1997.

that was 2 times $70



maybe I remember wrongly
maybe i can find can invoice of 1998

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[JB Lions]

Warren Buffet has repeatedly said Bitcoins are a horrible investment and people should not waste their time investing in Bitcoins...

Interesting isn't it.... One of the most notable investors in the word told people not to invest in probably one of the best investments in our lifetime. Chances are he repeatedly wanted people to steer clear of Bitcoin because it made a mockery of the traditional investments, the investment model that he spent decades mastering. Now when Bitcoin came about, it provided the opportunity for new kids on the block to make rake in returns on investments that Warren Buffet couldn't dream of achieving with the traditional investment platforms (I'm not talking about the monetary value, I'm referring the the % return on investment... nothing in Warrens portfolio could generate 2000% return on investment in a few years)

Same principle here... not saying we can expect insane 2000% return on investment but the point I'm making is that even industry leaders can get it wrong... OR have ulterior motives. If this can apply to Warren Buffet you can bet your sheeple @ss it applies to Mike M as well.

Why do people always bring up examples that have nothing to do with domaining? As if I couldn't find examples of the opposite happening. So and so said something totally unrelated to domaining would fail and it did, therefore it's true of new gtlds?

Pick some data points you want to use for evaluating the success or failure of extensions. Reg numbers, sales, whatever and apply that equally across the board and let's take a look.

None of this stuff you just used or what I mentioned earlier, fall of Rome, VHS, horse and cars, dinosaurs, it's just silly. There is no shortage of data out there. Use real stuff.

 

[frank-germany]

Everyone has an opinion, and if they were always right they wouldn't be arguing their case repeatedly.

The truth is, trends on the WWW are changing on a daily basis and anyone who discourages it's advancing opportunities or belittles others who are trying their own strategies of entrepreneurism deserves to be told to shut up.

GTLD'S MIGHT BE THE NEXT DOT COM
AND YOU CAN NOT DEFINITIVELY DISPROVE IT.

SO DONT TRY IT MANN

and really there is no need to

but if you ask yourself what is the better investment
its always the .de

oops no the .com ....

 

[deez007]

Why do people always bring up examples that have nothing to do with domaining? As if I couldn't find examples of the opposite happening. So and so said something totally unrelated to domaining would fail and it did, therefore it's true of new gtlds?

Pick some data points you want to use for evaluating extensions. Reg numbers, sales, whatever and apply that equally across the board and let's take a look.

Clearly, you failed to understand the point of my comparison. No one is comparing Bitcoins to domains....

"the point I'm making is that even industry leaders can get it wrong... OR have ulterior motives. If this can apply to Warren Buffet you can bet your sheeple @ss it applies to Mike M as well"

 

[JB Lions]

Clearly, you failed to understand the point of my comparison. No one is comparing Bitcoins to domains....

"the point I'm making is that even industry leaders can get it wrong... OR have ulterior motives. If this can apply to Warren Buffet you can bet your sheeple @ss it applies to Mike M as well"

I understand, the people that are fluffing new gtlds are invested in them somehow. Before you say .com, .com doesn't need help. It's not up for debate.

 

[Lox]

The irony is domainers registering names in nTLDs while the matching .com is unregistered

This is absolutely true!

reg fee - waiting
planets.observer
planetsobserver.com

 

[nomen]

This is absolutely true!

reg fee - waiting
planets.observer
planetsobserver.com

.OBSERVER makes me wanna cry.

 

[deez007]

I understand, the people that are fluffing new gtlds are invested in them somehow. Before you say .com, .com doesn't need help. It's not up for debate.

You assume the ones investing in nGTLD are also not heavily invested in .com's as well.... yeah, newsflash..most of us who invest in nGTLD are not anti .com it's just that we see the potential in nGTLD's and choose to invest in some of the good ones, most of us still have a portfolio dominated by .com's and cctld's.

 

[JB Lions]

You assume the ones investing in nGTLD are also not heavily invested in .com's as well.... yeah, newsflash..most of us who invest in nGTLD are not anti .com it's just that we see the potential in nGTLD's and choose to invest in some of the good ones.

Where do you see me talking about any of that? I know it runs the board. People invest in all kinds of extensions, some do just invest in new gtlds.

But show me something real. You can pick the data points you want to use and let's actually look. Give me something deeper than fluff.

You said you see the potential, based on.........?

 

[Lox]

that was 2 times $70

Correct $140 for 2 years

 

[deez007]

Where do you see me talking about any of that? I know it runs the board. People invest in all kinds of extensions, some do just invest in new gtlds.

But show me something real. You can pick the data points you want to use and let's actually look. Give me something deeper than fluff.

All the data is out there and there is no need to fluff anything. I have spent hours on multiple threads raising various valid points.... I have said over and over again... I'm really not going to go into all again...

I am not here to try and convince anyone of anything... all I know is my reality. My reality will not be the same as your reality. My reality is: I invest in nGTLD's because I have been getting offers on a few of the nGTLD's that I have already invested in...not on all of them but decent offers on some them, offers in the low $xxxx even and I have turned them down. Should I have accepted them...maybe OR maybe I did the right thing by hanging on and playing the long game. Is it a guaranteed investment? Of course not... no such thing.

 

[JB Lions]

All the data is out there and there is no need to fluff anything. I have spent hours on multiple threads raising various valid points.... I have said over and over again... I'm really not going to go into all again...

I am not here to try and convince anyone of anything... all I know is my reality. My reality will not be the same as your reality. My reality is: I invest in nGTLD's because I have been getting offers on a few of the nGTLD's that I have already invested in...not on all of them but decent offers on some them, offers in the low $xxxx even and I have turned them down. Should I have accepted them...maybe OR maybe I did the right thing by hanging on and playing the long game. Is it a guaranteed investment? Of course not... no such thing.

So you come with no data whatsoever and talk about offers and not sales. You won't even tell me the data points you like to use, which can be done in a 1 sentence reply.

I know it can't be overall reg numbers right? Because if we use this - https://ntldstats.com/tld

We notice a drop of about 2.1 million in the last 5 weeks or so, with upcoming deletes of almost 1.8 million. But there is demand they say.

 

[deez007]

So you come with no data whatsoever and talk about offers and not sales.

You want sales figures? - You know where to find sales figures, not like you don't know how to use the same tools that we all use. The data exists out there, I have no need or desire to go find it for you and put together a compelling case to entertain you. It's midnight and I would much rather hit the sack than spend any time sifting thru data just to make a point to you.

 

[frank-germany]

All the data is out there and there is no need to fluff anything. I have spent hours on multiple threads raising various valid points.... I have said over and over again... I'm really not going to go into all again...

I am not here to try and convince anyone of anything... all I know is my reality. My reality will not be the same as your reality. My reality is: I invest in nGTLD's because I have been getting offers on a few of the nGTLD's that I have already invested in...not on all of them but decent offers on some them, offers in the low $xxxx even and I have turned them down. Should I have accepted them...maybe OR maybe I did the right thing by hanging on and playing the long game. Is it a guaranteed investment? Of course not... no such thing.

I did invest in new tlds
when the .top was $1 USD

as I thought "everybody wants a top domain "

I still own a few of them - and I plan to hold on-
most of them I dropped when the price was $6.80 USD to renew


the one I still got are really very good
- if .top should establish-

But that's just a few like 2 dozen or so

I do get inquiries for
travelinsurance.top
but hey its much to early to sell that for a few hundered USD


so though I own these
I don't think it wise to invest into nTLDS
when you can get a decent .com or .de

 

[Lox]

@JB Lions
It is really hard to sell nG. I just came back from the Switzerland. Spend there 9 days in a row accommodating client's mind. A whole team of her was involved. She like this, no more something like this, maybe this.
At the end, during the dinner, she bring out the nGTLD .Wine . I was surprised! Anyhow, my time /involvement (xk) and (3.9k -vat) for DN.Wine brings me a nice profit.

 

[frank-germany]

Konstantinos Zournas‏ @onlinedomaincom 6h6 hours ago
Just dropped 198 New gTLD domains and saved $45,000 https://onlinedomain.com/2017/05/22/opinions/just-dropped-198-new-gtld-domains-saved-45000/ … #domains

 

[wormfood]

This month's reported new TLD sales on namebio (so far):
Total: 14

com.golf 560 USD 2017-05-20 Sedo -- sorry, what is this? comgolf.com is for sale for $3,888
diy.garden 880 USD 2017-05-19 Sedo
delhi.club 551 USD 2017-05-19 Sedo
latest.style 100 USD 2017-05-19 Flippa -- lateststyle.com is for sale for $4,599
v-r.casino 198 USD 2017-05-18 Flippa
auto.run 809 USD 2017-05-17 NameJet / TLDPros.com
brexit.news 1,050 USD 2017-05-16 Sedo
lgbtq.store 200 USD 2017-05-15 Flippa -- lgbtqstore.com is available to register
phone.shopping 109 USD 2017-05-13 Sedo
web.fund 150 USD 2017-05-11 Sedo
idee.shop 2,000 USD 2017-05-10 Sedo
key.digital 2,500 USD 2017-05-04 Sedo
cyber.cafe 750 USD 2017-05-06 Sedo
mens.club 5,000 USD 2017-05-03 Sedo

4 four figure sales.
While there have been 82 four figure .com sales on Sedo alone.

This is what some people apparently think is worthy of investment:
com.golf
lgbtq.store
phone.shopping
brexit.news

 

[garptrader]

The NTLDStats chart over the last couple years reminds me of the tech bubble of the late 90s which popped in spring of 2000. Wikipedia reports the Nasdaq dropped more than 75% from its peak over the ensuing two and a half years. Has the new TLD bubble already peaked? How far till we hit bottom? 20 million registrations? 10 million? Or less than that? How many registries go under? What happens to pricing of remaining extensions to support a dwindling registration base? If end users have their websites wiped out by a registry going belly up, will they relaunch on another new TLD ? Will new TLD holders shift their domain acquisitions to .COM rather than risky nTLDs? We are already seeing experienced domainers with nTLD holdings announce they are dropping most of their new TLDs. Am I the only one who has not bought even one new TLD?

 

[NameSellingcom]

Rick Schwartz and Mike Mann are right about new gTLDs and .com.

Some of you don't know this, but Frank Schilling owns over 400,000 .com domain names. That's more .com domain names than Rick and Mike own combined, plus Michael Berkens old domain portfolio too.

Mark Thorpe

 

[domain hacks]

Am I the only one who has not bought even one new TLD?

No, you are not the only one. There is at least one more, me