auctions Lying .xyz making a mockery of DNJ

[betthelot]

Cant miss the weekly sales chart dominated by .xyz on DNJournal

But I smell a Negari special here. I have monitored vip.xyz for the last 4 weeks, since it was reportedly sold for $50,000usd, ended up being a shill bid on West.cn . It then went back to auction and sold for $33,000usd, 3 weeks ago, again on West.cn.

Last week Ron of DNJ said there were some big new gTLDs sales that he would report on next week but needed to verify the sales first - I immediately thought it maybe vip.xyz so I checked the whois but it was still with the xyz registry. Today the sale is showing on the DNJ weekly chart as being confirmed by Ron at DNJ. So I checked again the whois and yes its changed ownership but to who. [email protected]
but it changed again later today to [email protected]
A little digging, reverse IP checking the hosting, and using wayback archive of the new owner.
And I find the smoking gun West263.com was the previous web address for West.cn. They changed from west263.com to west.cn around late 2013. In fact west263.com redirects to west.cn.

Suspicious yes - looks like the auction house brought the name. Great marketing yes.
Wild west of domaining, no laws no morals just pump and dump.
I accept there may be a simple explanation but I dont like the look of it and all my instincts say sham.

 

[Rick Ace]

Fact, XYZ registry is making a lot of money.
Pros, so are the registrars and ICANN

And so is any business entity/corporation that manages to stay afloat. Isn't that the point?

Cons, domainers losing money, having been brainwashed in believing yet again the second coming is near and that the true believers will be eternally rewarded in the rapture.

Seasoned domains that I know have been doing well, even with the new TLDs (and I even thought that domainers would stay clear of it in the beginning).

Rick its investigated journalism, just putting out there what I found and why I think the auction was just hype. Of course I can't prove it, there is no court of law for this sort of thing and nothing illegal took place but Im leaving it to everyone's own judgement. It is after all only my opinion and a big healthy dose of skepticism that any sane person must think when they see 1.xyz sell for more than the cost to secure the WHOLE .xyz registry, with billions of names.

What I've been asking you to do is leave out your opinions and clearly state the facts without your sensationalism. You're even going as far as to make these sales sound fraudulent.

DNJ has been around for a long time, and you can't just point fingers at its work and expect domainers to stay quiet. It is a respected source. That doesn't mean all of its sales are accurate... far from it. But what you're saying is that because you can't find information about the ownership/development and because the sale looks somewhat atypical, the sale is fraudulent.

Let me make this clear. You may be right. That's not the issue. But these sensationalist headlines and biased conclusions should not be part of a professional discussion.

In other words, there is a better way to approach this issue.

 

[dordomai]

Close to $1 million of .xyz sales were reported by West.cn last week.

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

I warned about something a few weeks ago on here and nobody payed attention. I AM VERY SUSPICIOUS about many of the new extension sales, VERY SUSPICIOUS!

In industries with more oversight including government agencies bigger manipulation has taken place, you are touching on something very serious about an industry that has been caught in the past rigging bids.

I am not accusing anyone of anything, HOWEVER a serious massive investigation is warranted.

I'm a newbie on this subject. Can you please expand on this. I'm curious and I think it could be useful for the rest of us.thanks

 

[betthelot]

Time will tell...

Let's not forget that registries were stuffing many many thousands of .xyz into the accounts of domain owners without their permission - in order to inflate the .XYZ zone count.

There are very little laws and regulations when it comes to this industry, and very short memories apparently.

Daniel Negari has no shame in doing whatever it takes to make .xyz successful.

Investor beware.

If I was in his shoes I would do the same. Business is amoral. His interests are not the same as domainers interests.
As you say beware could be left holding a bag of spam invested names.

 

[betthelot]

@betthelot

I'd be careful starting threads like this, what's said unless you really have the facts to back up your statements. JMO...

Lying .xyz making a mockery of DNJ

http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/civil-litigation/can-you-sue-defamation.html

@betthelot

I'd be careful starting threads like this, what's said unless you really have the facts to back up your statements. JMO...

Lying .xyz making a mockery of DNJ

http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/civil-litigation/can-you-sue-defamation.html

its Mad101 - name gets sold for a lot of money at an auction house. Now the new owners email is the auction house. Does that not ring alarm bells - just facts. That shouts scam to me. Maybe its because you got excited to see these high sales and it justified your investment in .xyz (EXACTLY WHAT DANIEL WANTS YOU TO THINK) keep renewing and I will keep posting if I think domainers are being mugged.
As an aside what Daniel is doing is nothing illegal its all kosha.
Its just a secret plan made by two or more people to do something that increases sales.

 

[betthelot]

Beware: If keeping the dream alive is what its about; then dont questioning why the auction house owns the name. Could shatter the dream.

 

[betthelot]

My investment in xyz is just part of my portfolio, I invest in all extensions. No need for you to speculate on what I'm doing or feeling.

Honestly there's to much speculation, allegations of fraud, deception, collusion, market manipulation, lying etc. etc. that I don't want to involved in this thread any longer, bye.

What I've managed to shake of my stalker!

 

[betthelot]

Look I said I had no more comments because burden of proof has not been shown. All your threads are gloom and doom towards new gTLDs and the companies involved. This one is accusing collusion between auction buyers, west.cn and gen.xyz. Also allegations against DNJ have been made without merit.

I'm not going to call you names, like you have towards me but I will state my opinion whether you like it or not. Just because I said I was out didn't mean I wouldn't read your reply. Being out, or bye only meant I won't comment on the subject matter moving forward. :P

I will reply to your insults!

Good on you Mad101

 

[Kate]

Somebody mentioned to me that negari.com still forwards to xyz.com. Name reportedly sold but still not being used ?

 

[Cdomains]

The companies that sell the new tld's invest millions for the right to sell their brands. They have to recoup their investment before they can make any $.

This explains the outrageous reg fees for some of the names when a new one comes out and also the high renewal fees.

There are so many new tld's it is easy for any one of them to be lost in the shuffle.

In addition to the large initial investment they have to spend big bucks on marketing to push their brand.

It is obvious there will be many, many losers in this race, and only time will tell.

In this unregulated industry there will always be people who will have no problem cheating the system to get ahead.

I have said many times at this forum, do not invest heavily in the new tld's until the dust settles and we can tell who the winners will be.

Personally I have only a few that I only purchased because they were on sale for less than a dollar a piece, otherwise I would never waste $ on them.

Invest in these new tld's at your own risk.

It is a big gamble, and some will do OK because they just happened to pick one of the new tld's that took off.

The rest will lose money.

 

[dordomai]

Even the most successful of 'old new' TLDs .info and .biz are still considered failures today, and generally not deemed credible or suitable for serious projects. They are also not suitable for pure play domaining purposes, with few exceptions.
But they are still well ahead of the more prominent of newly-released extensions such as .club or .xyz. Everything is relative.

I never understood the hype around .club. They have a nice team and in some cases with the right keyword you can create a nice domain with it but that's it.

They are not an universal TLD and the extension is really limited compared to .info or .biz.

As most don't get excited about .biz I don't see why one would get excited about .club.

 

[decode]

Surprised how hard some people on namepros ride against .xyz

The worlds smartest company (Google) uses it for its main corporate shareholder page.

Seriously, if it's good enough for them what is with all this hate.

.xyz passes the radio test and clearly has tons of potential now and into the future.

 

[Kate]

abc.xyz is a crapy site with a dozen pages, that few people will visit.
And Google use plenty of different extensions, including their own. The .xyz story is good publicity of course, but it has been inflated.

Remember what they said when .co or .mobi domains were getting traction from prominent end users. Old news isn't it ?
I'm not hating .xyz, just mocking their hubris. Domainers are gullible.

 

[AEProgram]

Well, glad you asked. You say, " ... he demands proof ..." and then you continue to state an exception IN THE SAME SENTENCE! "...if the sale was not by some public auction platform." Aren't most "sales results" provided by some public auction platform (i.e. Flippa, Sedo, Snapnames)?

"He demands proof" you say. Look, this is the same guy who uses the tagline "DNJournal, the Domain Industry News Magazine." But then no coverage of the Adam Dicker controversy detailed in a separate thread here at Namepros. "Proof?" You mean hearsay from some unidentified participant at a domainer conference? That's "proof" of a sale?

Don't get me started bro, you sound silly with your statement, "Why would you say that?" Just plain silly.

Look I said I had no more comments because burden of proof has not been shown. All your threads are gloom and doom towards new gTLDs and the companies involved. This one is accusing collusion between auction buyers, west.cn and gen.xyz. Also allegations against DNJ have been made without merit.

I'm not going to call you names, like you have me but I will state my opinion whether you like it or not. Just because I said I was out didn't mean I wouldn't read your reply. Being out, or bye only meant I won't comment on the subject matter moving forward. :P

I will reply to your insults!

You can always sell your account to someone who will post on your behalf even thou you will still have the login details and control all of the account.

Just saying there are options I guess

Surprised how hard some people on namepros ride against .xyz

The worlds smartest company (Google) uses it for its main corporate shareholder page.

Seriously, if it's good enough for them what is with all this hate.

.xyz passes the radio test and clearly has tons of potential now and into the future.

What is the ratio please, for every .xyz google owns how many dot coms do they own?

You are not lying to anyone but yourself.

 

[Rick Ace]

Domainers are gullible.

What is the point of generalizing domainers into one category? It will never make sense. :P I'm still going to make another call to ask people to turn this into a constructive conversation about facts, pros, and cons, instead of just bashing any TLD of your choice.

 

[betthelot]

What is the point of generalizing domainers into one category? It will never make sense. :P I'm still going to make another call to ask people to turn this into a constructive conversation about facts, pros, and cons, instead of just bashing any TLD of your choice.

Fact, XYZ registry is making a lot of money.
Pros, so are the registrars and ICANN
Cons, domainers losing money, having been brainwashed in believing yet again the second coming is near and that the true believers will be eternally rewarded in the rapture.

Rick its investigated journalism, just putting out there what I found and why I think the auction was just hype. Of course I can't prove it, there is no court of law for this sort of thing and nothing illegal took place but Im leaving it to everyone's own judgement. It is after all only my opinion and a big healthy dose of skepticism that any sane person must think when they see 1.xyz sell for more than the cost to secure the WHOLE .xyz registry, with billions of names.

 

[Michael Ehrhardt]

G O O G L E

This is Google Venture's new website

ABC.xyz ( Alphabet )

GC.xyz (Google Capital)

GV.xyz (Google Ventures)

A.xyz (Alphabet)

C.xyz (Calico)

G.xyz (Google)

N.xyz (Nest)

Y.xyz (YouTube)

X.xyz (X)

Get ready for

abċ.xyz "IDN" ( xn--ab-8la.xyz ) ċ = relar latin letter c with dot above

 

[wot]

"abċ.xyz ċ = relar latin letter c with dot above"

Another one of your IDN posing as something else?

And do not link to you own names from within a thread.