news LLLL.net & LLLL.org Sales Reports And Discussion

[Prometheus]

I think it is needed to have a discussion thread of 4L.net & 4L.org end-user sales, especially after the buyout of those assets. Since Namebio.com is not able to track all of the transactions (email contact, Afternic, etc.), please feel free to contribute as much as relevant, maybe reporting your own sales.

Here are some sales on namebio:

daka.net, 2999 USD, 2016-04-07, Sedo
cfba.net, 2336 USD, 2016-04-06, BuyDomains
huis.net, 1530 USD, 2016-04-06, DropCatch
euwi.net, 610 USD, 2016-03-31, GoDaddy
agea.net, 424 USD, 2016-03-29, DropCatch
kite.net, 1655 USD, 2016-03-28, NameJet
dibs.net, 849 USD, 2016-03-25, Flippa
vape.net, 9000 USD, 2016-03-24, Sedo
nolo.net, 356 USD, 2016-03-23, GoDaddy
hola.net, 2000 USD, 2016-03-21, NameJet
omtp.org, 1011 USD, 2016-04-12, NameJet
poem.org, 8000 USD, 2016-04-09, NameJet
tcba.org, 1742 USD, 2016-04-06, BuyDomains
treu.org, 3388 USD, 2016-04-05, BuyDomains
onrc.org, 361 USD, 2016-04-05, NameJet
iaid.org, 4140 USD, 2016-04-01, Sedo
humo.org, 3000 USD, 2016-03-30, Sedo
gpwg.org, 810 USD, 2016-03-23, GoDaddy
lcam.org, 1888 USD, 2016-03-17, BuyDomains
caps.org, 9875 USD, 2016-03-13, Grit Brokerage

Please post only confirmed sales.

 

[Recons.Com]

guys lets cut it short there is an average of 65-70 LLLL.org sales per year that are above $1,000! These are the ones reported by Namebio only, not to mention the rest, we can easily assume a total of 300 per year in total.
These are mostly western Premiums.
Number of total Western Premiums : 160,000
Number of Western Premiums in Sedo and Afternic = 45,000. This is the total available for sale by domainers. Which means a lot of others are either privately sold previously or owned by resellers that are willing to sell passively.
I can assume an average of 0.5% sales per year! So, to get a real profit you should sell your names at 1700+ each to get revenue.

I assumed here that Parking revenue is a plus to all the above, which is something good to consider as well! you can get in average 10-15 uniques per month for each western premium you own. So if you own a 1000 you can get 12,500 uniques in average which is like another $75 parking revenue monthly or $900 annually!
I can make parking my profit and sell teh names at 1700 each, then eventually you get a 50% markup annually.

I wish this humble analysis helps you guys

My data shows more like 3-5 uniques per month per name, so 1000 names will give you 3,500 to 5000 uniques.

 

[Manik]

sorry but it is not the right kind of comparaison... imo

cause owning idea.org or guys.org is a great sure investment.. whereas to get near the value of those two with random 4l.org u need thousands of them and be good at the numbers game.

it's just two seperate things and categories of dommains/investment.

It wasn't a comparison. It was just nice to know that you can aspire to sell it for as much as a one word .org to end users.

 

[alcy]

It wasn't a comparison. It was just nice to know that you can aspire to sell it for as much as a one word .org to end users.

yes.. I see.
but you still neends thousands of random 4l.org to manage this. whereas you need only one good one word 4l.org to get good money on it

cheers

 

[Branded Domains]

Found a huge bulk of past sales:

zika.org 3,000 USD 2016-02-02 BuyDomains
gpms.org 3,700 USD 2016-01-07 Sedo
leed.org 3,433 USD 2015-12-13 Pheenix
flix.org 3,200 USD 2015-12-04 Sedo
prri.org 3,759 USD 2015-09-07 Sedo
diss.org 3,888 USD 2015-06-26 BuyDomains
taut.org 3,377 USD 2015-02-05 Sedo
onsf.org 3,999 USD 2015-01-14 Sedo
cfoc.org 3,295 USD 2014-10-01 GoDaddy
opex.org 3,288 USD 2014-07-30 Sedo
gavi.org 3,999 USD 2014-07-23 Sedo
wfda.org 3,550 USD 2014-07-20 GoDaddy
ilhr.org 3,061 USD 2014-07-08 GoDaddy
iccc.org 3,050 USD 2014-06-28 GoDaddy
iepa.org 3,749 USD 2014-06-18 Sedo
tpex.org 3,096 USD 2014-05-21 GoDaddy
afip.org 3,500 USD 2014-05-14 NameJet
acss.org 3,000 USD 2014-05-07 GoDaddy
iear.org 3,150 USD 2014-04-24 GoDaddy
ifop.org 3,000 USD 2014-03-19 GoDaddy
gccs.org 3,087 USD 2013-12-11 Sedo
kush.org 3,088 USD 2013-11-24 Afternic
cred.org 3,688 USD 2013-08-26 Afternic
fami.org 3,000 USD 2013-08-05 Afternic
iclc.org 3,500 USD 2013-07-11 Sedo
ecoe.org 3,388 USD 2013-06-17 Afternic
ahcs.org 3,000 USD 2013-06-03 Afternic
fias.org 3,000 USD 2013-05-20 Afternic
ecit.org 3,088 USD 2013-04-29 Afternic
gems.org 3,441 USD 2013-04-10 GoDaddy
okgo.org 3,088 USD 2013-04-08 Afternic
csmi.org 3,288 USD 2013-02-18 Afternic
abid.org 3,500 USD 2013-01-28 Afternic
ccog.org 3,200 USD 2012-12-30 Afternic
omca.org 3,088 USD 2012-12-30 Afternic
zine.org 3,840 USD 2012-11-14 Sedo
hmsc.org 3,388 USD 2012-11-11 Afternic
jets.org 3,433 USD 2012-09-12 NameJet
emoe.org 3,433 USD 2012-08-15 NameJet
made.org 3,000 USD 2012-05-09 URLs.net
epca.org 3,000 USD 2012-04-11 Afternic
kizi.org 3,930 USD 2012-03-14 Sedo
favs.org 3,188 USD 2012-03-07 Afternic
deep.org 3,200 USD 2012-02-29 NameJet
gbsi.org 3,488 USD 2012-02-15 Afternic
page.org 3,300 USD 2012-01-04 Sedo
ijet.org 3,288 USD 2012-01-01 Afternic
elsf.org 3,200 USD 2011-12-05 NameJet
wcca.org 3,679 USD 2011-11-30 Afternic
spin.org 3,400 USD 2011-11-09 SnapNames
dear.org 3,500 USD 2011-11-02 Afternic
epam.org 3,288 USD 2011-10-26 Afternic
pull.org 3,500 USD 2011-09-21 Afternic
gssi.org 3,425 USD 2011-09-21 Sedo
xmas.org 3,380 USD 2011-08-10 Sedo
gigi.org 3,000 USD 2011-08-10 Afternic
asso.org 3,400 USD 2011-08-03 Afternic
esmi.org 3,200 USD 2011-07-29 Sedo
wcid.org 3,650 USD 2011-07-20 Sedo
mpmc.org 3,500 USD 2011-05-04 Afternic
cigs.org 3,388 USD 2011-04-13 Afternic
aday.org 3,125 USD 2011-04-13 Afternic
sccl.org 3,388 USD 2011-03-09 Afternic
lpig.org 3,333 USD 2011-03-09 NameJet
eier.org 3,000 USD 2011-03-09 Sedo
nvus.org 3,188 USD 2011-03-02 GoDaddy
snap.org 3,200 USD 2011-02-27 NameJet
cefa.org 3,988 USD 2011-02-16 Afternic
lghs.org 3,300 USD 2011-02-02 Sedo
biaa.org 3,000 USD 2011-01-17 Sedo
cblt.org 3,790 USD 2011-01-07 Sedo
mecu.org 3,361 USD 2010-11-10 Afternic
bige.org 3,150 USD 2010-10-27 Sedo
ongo.org 3,400 USD 2010-05-26 Afternic
gcte.org 3,038 USD 2010-04-28 NameJet
afor.org 3,300 USD 2010-04-07 Afternic
aspi.org 3,388 USD 2010-03-03 Afternic
tyra.org 3,988 USD 2009-11-18 Afternic
worm.org 3,485 USD 2009-07-29 Afternic
urns.org 3,188 USD 2009-06-02 Afternic
basc.org 3,500 USD 2009-03-24 Afternic
hrma.org 3,005 USD 2009-03-10 GoDaddy
gulf.org 3,100 USD 2008-12-02 NameJet
lets.org 3,488 USD 2008-04-01 Afternic
pawn.org 3,600 USD 2008-03-04 SnapNames
eria.org 3,288 USD 2007-09-18 Afternic
prtc.org 3,400 USD 2007-09-17 Afternic
vita.org 3,700 USD 2007-09-04 SnapNames
umbi.org 3,000 USD 2007-05-29 Afternic
ficc.org 3,088 USD 2007-04-25 Private
tmhs.org 3,000 USD 2007-03-12 Afternic
ipsa.org 3,288 USD 2007-02-28 BuyDomains
leve.org 3,088 USD 2007-01-04 BuyDomains
ship.org 3,675 USD 2006-12-20 SnapNames
road.org 3,202 USD 2006-12-20 SnapNames
apme.org 3,900 USD 2006-06-27 SnapNames
jeep.org 3,100 USD 2006-04-25 SnapNames
bats.org 3,568 USD 2006-03-07 SnapNames
cdmp.org 5,000 USD 2015-11-23 Sedo
onyx.org 4,173 USD 2015-10-24 Pheenix
wasm.org 4,494 USD 2015-10-13 GoDaddy
bill.org 4,550 USD 2015-07-08 Flippa
scce.org 4,000 USD 2015-07-07 BuyDomains
laws.org 10,000 USD 2015-05-04 Sedo
arts.org 10,350 USD 2015-03-01 Heritage Auctions
ceri.org 5,000 USD 2015-02-08 DomainNameSales
dots.org 6,766 USD 2015-01-23 NameJet
text.org 5,012 USD 2015-01-14 Flippa
tdsc.org 5,500 USD 2014-10-15 Sedo
ifly.org 4,620 USD 2014-09-03 Sedo
joma.org 5,050 USD 2014-03-10 NameJet
repp.org 5,505 USD 2014-02-16 GoDaddy
lapd.org 4,600 USD 2014-01-15 NameJet
ctdo.org 9,977 USD 2013-12-08 Afternic
slot.org 7,000 USD 2013-12-08 Afternic
slot.org 7,000 USD 2013-11-27 GoDaddy
coin.org 4,000 USD 2013-11-24 Afternic
afhh.org 6,611 USD 2013-10-16 NameJet
dimu.org 4,000 USD 2013-08-19 Afternic
rock.org 4,999 USD 2013-06-11 NameJet
hive.org 10,000 USD 2013-04-10 Sedo
cuny.org 8,923 USD 2013-02-20 NameJet
quip.org 5,540 USD 2013-01-09 Sedo
seeu.org 4,188 USD 2012-12-02 Afternic
nitc.org 4,588 USD 2012-11-18 Afternic
yele.org 4,110 USD 2012-11-12 GoDaddy
attc.org 5,088 USD 2012-09-30 Afternic
voke.org 5,488 USD 2012-07-30 Afternic
gait.org 4,388 USD 2012-07-18 Afternic
cbit.org 5,000 USD 2012-05-23 Afternic
itaa.org 9,200 USD 2012-04-19 NameJet
phys.org 6,000 USD 2012-04-11 Afternic
gulf.org 5,000 USD 2012-03-26 NameJet
coop.org 9,660 USD 2012-02-22 NameJet
sexy.org 7,500 USD 2012-01-12 Sedo
baca.org 4,000 USD 2011-10-05 Afternic
rayo.org 5,600 USD 2011-08-03 Afternic
fhit.org 5,000 USD 2011-08-03 Sedo
appo.org 5,000 USD 2011-08-03 Sedo
keer.org 4,388 USD 2011-07-20 Afternic
file.org 6,000 USD 2011-07-13 URLs.net
nous.org 4,088 USD 2011-07-13 Afternic
noel.org 4,500 USD 2011-04-06 Afternic
eier.org 4,170 USD 2011-03-23 Sedo
mame.org 7,500 USD 2011-03-12 Sedo
ucpa.org 4,260 USD 2011-03-09 NameJet
iusy.org 7,500 USD 2011-03-01 Sedo
open.org 6,200 USD 2011-02-22 Sedo
ssrs.org 4,500 USD 2011-02-20 Sedo
club.org 10,000 USD 2011-01-31 Sedo
toni.org 4,000 USD 2011-01-18 Sedo
talk.org 5,100 USD 2011-01-17 Sedo
plus.org 10,000 USD 2011-01-12 Sedo
hits.org 4,400 USD 2011-01-12 NameJet
kobo.org 10,000 USD 2011-01-06 Sedo
rtlp.org 4,006 USD 2010-12-08 GoDaddy
bali.org 7,500 USD 2010-11-03 SnapNames
like.org 9,420 USD 2010-10-19 SnapNames
xmas.org 5,000 USD 2010-09-23 Afternic
club.org 7,500 USD 2010-06-23 Afternic
airp.org 5,588 USD 2010-06-09 Afternic
napa.org 7,101 USD 2010-05-26 NameJet
figa.org 5,500 USD 2009-10-07 Sedo
oats.org 4,000 USD 2009-08-12 Afternic
html.org 7,000 USD 2009-07-22 Sedo
reit.org 4,540 USD 2009-06-02 SnapNames
gulf.org 4,000 USD 2008-12-30 Rick Latona
next.org 9,000 USD 2008-07-29 Moniker
rape.org 6,850 USD 2008-07-22 SnapNames
jiee.org 5,300 USD 2008-07-01 NameJet
cost.org 8,900 USD 2008-06-07 NameJet
agri.org 4,500 USD 2008-05-19 Afternic
show.org 8,266 USD 2008-05-06 Sedo
bail.org 7,000 USD 2008-03-25 T.R.A.F.F.I.C.
bags.org 4,903 USD 2008-02-19 SnapNames
gnet.org 4,400 USD 2007-12-26 NameJet
nhse.org 4,000 USD 2007-12-05 NameJet
guys.org 9,420 USD 2007-11-27 T.R.A.F.F.I.C.
moon.org 5,020 USD 2007-10-19 GoDaddy
holt.org 9,000 USD 2007-08-28 Sedo
hymn.org 4,500 USD 2007-07-03 SnapNames
oned.org 5,000 USD 2007-02-01 Afternic
anal.org 5,500 USD 2007-01-18 Moniker
yuan.org 7,106 USD 2007-01-17 Sedo
wavc.org 5,088 USD 2006-12-13 Moniker
acpa.org 4,037 USD 2006-11-07 SnapNames
apsp.org 6,000 USD 2006-10-12 Afternic
alex.org 10,000 USD 2006-10-10 BuyDomains
jafi.org 4,400 USD 2006-10-03 BuyDomains
aars.org 5,688 USD 2006-08-08 Afternic
idea.org 9,600 USD 2006-06-27 SnapNames
pcbs.org 4,401 USD 2006-05-09 SnapNames
icao.org 5,700 USD 2006-04-11 SnapNames
vnis.org 7,500 USD 2004-11-24 Afternic
lcia.org 5,025 USD 2004-06-25 Afternic

end [email protected] 3,000 USD??

 

[Federer]

If you own at least 800-1500 4L.org (West-Premium), you can expect at least 1%-1.5% sell-through rate if you are BIN-pricing them (helps move more inventory) in the $1500-$5K range.

Within 5 months of building my first 300 4L.org portfolio, I sold 2 for a total of $8,500 ($4250 average).
2 weeks ago, I purchased 1000 more ($5 each). It will now hold and sell them passively.

Random sampling:

slsr.org
tdth.org
tdtl.org
tftg.org
lbmb.org
lclg.org
ldlb.org
mgeu.org
hlam.org
fmer.org
ogdg.org
domr.org
urbr.org
eusp.org
mggu.org
osrp.org
sgon.org
ldlp.org
lfld.org
lflh.org
tgtd.org
tgth.org
nrnl.org
filn.org
flmo.org
tmui.org
fgue.org
pcto.org
lmdo.org
neut.org
umpn.org
midn.org
nsnb.org
ntng.org
pbgb.org
pbhb.org
pbph.org

 

[alcy]

If you own at least 800-1500 4L.org (West-Premium), you can expect at least 1%-1.5% sell-through rate if you are BIN-pricing them (helps move more inventory) in the $1500-$5K range.

Within 5 months of building my first 300 4L.org portfolio, I sold 2 for a total of $8,500 ($4250 average).
2 weeks ago, I purchased 1000 more ($5 each). It will now hold and sell them passively.

Random sampling:

slsr.org
tdth.org
tdtl.org
tftg.org
lbmb.org
lclg.org
ldlb.org
mgeu.org
hlam.org
fmer.org
ogdg.org
domr.org
urbr.org
eusp.org
mggu.org
osrp.org
sgon.org
ldlp.org
lfld.org
lflh.org
tgtd.org
tgth.org
nrnl.org
filn.org
flmo.org
tmui.org
fgue.org
pcto.org
lmdo.org
neut.org
umpn.org
midn.org
nsnb.org
ntng.org
pbgb.org
pbhb.org
pbph.org

are all your sales on unireg bin sale lander or that's a recent test for you there?

can u say your % of westprem with vowel vs no vowel? tnx

 

[Federer]

The Unireg BIN sale lander on my 4L.org was only set up a week ago - so too early to say - but I am certain some sales will be generated via those landers over time.
I only picked up that batch of 900-1000 4L.org (west-premium incl. vowels) a few weeks ago.

I have around 350 without vowels, and 900-1000 with vowels.
But both models work when it comes down to selling to end users. Some very recent LLLL.org sales include:

abar.org - $1,500
gicu.org - $4,500
mvno.org - $3,388
tcba.org - $1,742
treu.org - $3,388
eaas.org - $2,500

Over the past few years, there are actually more 4L.org sales with vowels than there are without.
I would stay clear of most 4L.org with Z, X, K, Q - even J and K (there are always some exceptions). They just do not seem as "end-user friendly" as most of the other letters.

 

[Arca]

The Unireg BIN sale lander on my 4L.org was only set up a week ago - so too early to say - but I am certain some sales will be generated via those landers over time.
I only picked up that batch of 900-1000 4L.org (west-premium incl. vowels) a few weeks ago.

I have around 350 without vowels, and 900-1000 with vowels.
But both models work when it comes down to selling to end users. Some very recent LLLL.org sales include:

abar.org - $1,500
gicu.org - $4,500
mvno.org - $3,388
tcba.org - $1,742
treu.org - $3,388
eaas.org - $2,500

Over the past few years, there are actually more 4L.org sales with vowels than there are without.
I would stay clear of most 4L.org with Z, X, K, Q - even J and K (there are always some exceptions). They just do not seem as "end-user friendly" as most of the other letters.

Does Uniregistry handle escrow for BIN transactions, or do they still send it to escrow.com (like DNS) ?

 

[Recons.Com]

end [email protected] 3,000 USD??

And it is still a great deal. Zika is the new scare of the world and .org is a great fit. I am sure it already has a natural traffic with it too.

 

[Federer]

Yes they handle escrow for BIN transactions.

 

[Arca]

Yes they handle escrow for BIN transactions.

Good to know. I was under the impression that they only did escrow for names registered with them.

 

[Federer]

Although I am not 100% sure. Will let you know as soon as one of those 4L.org sells

 

[Arca]

Although I am not 100% sure. Will let you know as soon as one of those 4L.org sells

I had a look at their terms again, looks like they don't handle escrow for BIN names not registered with them:

You agree that assignment of a list price and designation of a listing as “Buy It Now” shall constitute your agreement to transfer the domain name to a buyer upon buyer's payment of the price you have listed. "Buy It Now" listings are limited to domain names registered via Uniregistry as registrar.

Also:

Completion of Sale and Use of Escrow.com
We do not provide an escrow service. Our “Secure Simultaneous Exchange” service allows a buyer and seller to transact purchases and sales through the Uniregistry Marketplace, but at no time do we hold the domain name or the agreed compensation in trust for either party pending completion of a transaction. At all times until the exchange, both the domain name and the agreed compensation are under the sole control and beneficial ownership of the seller and buyer, respectively, each of which may cancel a transaction at any time until the exchange is performed. Buyers and sellers wishing to use escrow services provided by Escrow.com shall be bound by the applicable Escrow.com terms of service and to the payment of fees to Escrow.com as agreed by the buyer and seller. We do not warrant the performance or security of transactions completed via Escrow.com.

 

[Federer]

Another sale, yesterday:
apid.org - $3066 (BuyDomains)

 

[NPer]

The list pasted earlier in this thread contains many words (English and other languages)- which are not random LLLL.org. Not really good for comparison purposes.

Take note of how few actually sell every year- that list of sales is spread over a decade.

If you reg'd 2000 .orgs, and argue that you will renew, but are asking how to price and sell them... it shows a lack of confidence and issues will pop up. I say this because you are going to need to cover costs already incurred as well as the upcoming renewals in a few months time, which are at full renewal- not at a discounted price of say $3.99 that was used for these reggies (which was actually less than 50% of standard reg price).
A massive price drop between domainers saw a LLLL.org "chip" sell for a mere $5 on NP fairly recently.

When very few people own a large amount vs. a realistic amount (that's taking into account how they have always been domaining before they reg'd these domains); it spells trouble as these individuals would need to carry a hefty cost vs. a cost that they would realistically be able afford.

Now a "buy-out" of so called "llll.org chips" actually holding seems very unrealistic at this point.

 

[Prometheus]

I have a new sale at sedo. Payment just received. d*c*n*p.o*r*g at $985.

For org holders information, half of my orgs set at 985 whereas the other half at 1850.

 

[Manik]

I have a new sale at sedo. Payment just received. d*c*n*p.o*r*g at $950.

For org holders information, half of my orgs set at 950 whereas the other half at 1850.

How do you assort $950 and $1850. Is it like Repeating letters at 1850?

 

[Prometheus]

How do you assort $950 and $1850. Is it like Repeating letters at 1850?

No randomly. For an A/B test.
But the first tier price is 985. I assumed it was 950.

 

[staringatascreen]

I have a new sale at sedo. Payment just received. d*c*n*p.o*r*g at $985.

For org holders information, half of my orgs set at 985 whereas the other half at 1850.

Out of curiosity.. are you purchasing one of the sponsored sedo listings, are you drawing attention to them somehow, or are you just leaving your names up there on sedo waiting for someone to stumble across it?

 

[Prometheus]

Out of curiosity.. are you purchasing one of the sponsored sedo listings, are you drawing attention to them somehow, or are you just leaving your names up there on sedo waiting for someone to stumble across it?

They are parked at Sedo with a BIN price (10% commission). No other effort.

 

[trp3]

They are parked at Sedo with a BIN price (10% commission). No other effort.

Would it not be more effective parking them somewhere with a big and colorful 'Buy Now' button instead of sedo? Of course it is also depending if you want making money with parking or not, nevertheless just my thoughts ..

 

[Prometheus]

Would it not be more effective parking them somewhere with a big and colorful 'Buy Now' button instead of sedo? Of course it is also depending if you want making money with parking or not, nevertheless just my thoughts ..

I find Sedo a bit more buyer-friendly, offering reasonable commission. Multi language, 10 % commission and euro payment (I live in Germany). If you have a better option in mind, please let me know.

 

[trp3]

I find Sedo a bit more buyer-friendly, offering reasonable commission. Multi language, 10 % commission and euro payment (I live in Germany). If you have a better option in mind, please let me know.

Just wanted to share thoughts. Imagine one of those busy 'time is money' end-users who is visting a common sedo parking page, feeling disrupted from all those ads and who is just leaving then without having noticed that there is a domain for sale. Decisions are usually made by seconds and affected through the very first impression.

 

[BuyWebDomains]

I've got a load of CVCV.org's finishing GoDaddy 7 day auction today.
Set the starting price at $50 each and one has a bid on it.

Hoping to sell a few more!

 

[alcy]

I've got a load of CVCV.org's finishing GoDaddy 7 day auction today.
Set the starting price at $50 each and one has a bid on it.

Hoping to sell a few more!

sounds like another type of strategory then no?
keep liting and relisting free 7day gd auctions starting say $30-50 each.. and then make minimal profit on each.. minimal as profit may be here.. I think gd takes $15 min on low value sales like $20-80 or so