news LLLL.net & LLLL.org Sales Reports And Discussion

[Prometheus]

I think it is needed to have a discussion thread of 4L.net & 4L.org end-user sales, especially after the buyout of those assets. Since Namebio.com is not able to track all of the transactions (email contact, Afternic, etc.), please feel free to contribute as much as relevant, maybe reporting your own sales.

Here are some sales on namebio:

daka.net, 2999 USD, 2016-04-07, Sedo
cfba.net, 2336 USD, 2016-04-06, BuyDomains
huis.net, 1530 USD, 2016-04-06, DropCatch
euwi.net, 610 USD, 2016-03-31, GoDaddy
agea.net, 424 USD, 2016-03-29, DropCatch
kite.net, 1655 USD, 2016-03-28, NameJet
dibs.net, 849 USD, 2016-03-25, Flippa
vape.net, 9000 USD, 2016-03-24, Sedo
nolo.net, 356 USD, 2016-03-23, GoDaddy
hola.net, 2000 USD, 2016-03-21, NameJet
omtp.org, 1011 USD, 2016-04-12, NameJet
poem.org, 8000 USD, 2016-04-09, NameJet
tcba.org, 1742 USD, 2016-04-06, BuyDomains
treu.org, 3388 USD, 2016-04-05, BuyDomains
onrc.org, 361 USD, 2016-04-05, NameJet
iaid.org, 4140 USD, 2016-04-01, Sedo
humo.org, 3000 USD, 2016-03-30, Sedo
gpwg.org, 810 USD, 2016-03-23, GoDaddy
lcam.org, 1888 USD, 2016-03-17, BuyDomains
caps.org, 9875 USD, 2016-03-13, Grit Brokerage

Please post only confirmed sales.

 

[alcy]

There is no limit with that code.

The 750 LLLL.org I registered are West-Premium w/vowels.
None contain: J, K, Q, V, W, X, Y, Z.

nice
hope u make roi
thanks for sharing
I am quite sure there are no more west prems left without vowels.

cheers

 

[Federer]

Has anyone sold any 4L.org with W, J, K or X?

Also, not sure if 4L.org with 2 vowels have less brand appeal/probabilities of selling than those without vowels, or with just 1....

 

[Federer]

These end user sales are encouraging.

I think I am going to buy some more LLLL.org - I really do think it's a numbers game. If you have 1000 4L.org, you are sure to sell at least 10 domains per year, an average of nearly 1 a month (1%). Even 1.5% would be possible with strategic BIN pricing IMO. The average of my 2 end users since Nov 2015 is $4200/sale.

I purchased 350 west-premium 4L.org in Nov '15 (and 200 Chinese types) and have already sold for $8,500 worth. The only issue is the renewal fees..... but just 2-3 solid sales during the year would cover those.
I am sure the more you own, the more will sel.

Not sure if my reasoning is correct....

 

[alcy]

These end user sales are encouraging.

I think I am going to buy some more LLLL.org - I really do think it's a numbers game. If you have 1000 4L.org, you are sure to sell at least 10 domains per year, an average of nearly 1 a month (1%). Even 1.5% would be possible with strategic BIN pricing IMO. The average of my 2 end users since Nov 2015 is $4200/sale.

I purchased 350 west-premium 4L.org in Nov '15 (and 200 Chinese types) and have already sold for $8,500 worth. The only issue is the renewal fees..... but just 2-3 solid sales during the year would cover those.
I am sure the more you own, the more will sel.

Not sure if my reasoning is correct....

the problems I see:

-u cannot be sure to sell at least X per year. cause domaining has no guarantees.

-the more you buy, the more you sell, but also the more renewal u pay. obviously.

-it is possible 4l.org with most potential are no longer left for reg. so at this stage of this "game" this could further decrease your sale chances. in other words, u canot assume in your equation that 4l.org available to reg when 90% of all of them were left to reg have same potential of sale as when say 20% of them are left to reg. logically, quality decreases with time in dn regging.

jmo

 

[Federer]

Based on sales of 4L.org to end users over the past 24 months, there is a mix of

1) 4 consonants (all taken now)
2) consonants AND vowels

In fact, there have been more MORE 4L.org sales consisting of "west-premium domains with consonants+vowels" than of 4L.org with just consonants -

Ex. these types:

crgi.org
eaas.org
usbd.org
itga.org
ssef.org
treu.org
prri.org

Those (and many more) all sold to end users.

- that shows there is very much a healthy end user demand for these types.

There are still 4L.org in that second group available to register.

 

[Apprich]

These end user sales are encouraging.

I think I am going to buy some more LLLL.org - I really do think it's a numbers game. If you have 1000 4L.org, you are sure to sell at least 10 domains per year, an average of nearly 1 a month (1%). Even 1.5% would be possible with strategic BIN pricing IMO. The average of my 2 end users since Nov 2015 is $4200/sale.

I purchased 350 west-premium 4L.org in Nov '15 (and 200 Chinese types) and have already sold for $8,500 worth. The only issue is the renewal fees..... but just 2-3 solid sales during the year would cover those.
I am sure the more you own, the more will sel.

Not sure if my reasoning is correct....

Your assumption could be true.. more domains you have more chance to sell.. And it's not only about 4L.org it's true for any other type of liquid. Just only which extension has more potential to sell that could be the reason to choose.

 

[Prometheus]

-u cannot be sure to sell at least X per year. cause domaining has no guarantees.

I don't agree with this one. Maybe he will sell more than expected in 2016, but only 1 in 2017. As you said, there is no guarantee. But, we should talk with the terms of statistics since we have thousands of names. Mean is mean in long term.

-it is possible 4l.org with most potential are no longer left for reg. so at this stage of this "game" this could further decrease your sale chances. in other words, u canot assume in your equation that 4l.org available to reg when 90% of all of them were left to reg have same potential of sale as when say 20% of them are left to reg. logically, quality decreases with time in dn regging.

Agreed. But people went after that Chinese trend. I think there are still nice names over there.

Profitibility completely depends on the pricing, as @Federer said, it is a numbers game.

 

[alcy]

I don't agree with this one. Maybe he will sell more than expected in 2016, but only 1 in 2017. As you said, there is no guarantee. But, we should talk with the terms of statistics since we have thousands of names. Mean is mean in long term.

Agreed. But people went after that Chinese trend. I think there are still nice names over there.

Profitibility completely depends on the pricing, as @Federer said, it is a numbers game.

yes. I agree. it is about an average. so maybe what we cannot yet know for usre due to insufficient date from insufficient #people, is what is average is. u need some serious # data to establish averages that have meaning and reliability.

and yes I agree, a lot went after china trend! whcih is still not all dead btw..

what I tried to say is that imo the fact that all westerns without vowels are gone (last I checked) complicates quality. as those imo sell best.

 

[Prometheus]

We have time till November to collect data by sales and measure the profitibililty level of those assets. This way is better than speculation.

 

[Prometheus]

Some sales above $200:

soli.net, 200 USD, 2016-04-27, DropCatch
rrwg.net, 205 USD, 2016-04-25, GoDaddy
yiso.net, 1,200 USD, 2016-04-23, 4.CN
gicu.org, 4,500 USD, 2016-04-28, Sedo
bfcc.org, 525 USD, 2016-04-23, NameJet
cdma.org, 370 USD, 2016-04-21, NameJet

 

[Federer]

GICU.org interestingly ending up being purchased by a company based in Vietnam.

Is there a tool that can verify which LLLL.org are still available to register?

 

[Federer]

If I buy another 200 4-letter .ORG domains and price them all at $2,800 and sell 4 or 5 during the course of the year (as it’s a numbers game with those in most cases), is that ethically a bit wrong? (as the organisations could have picked them up for reg fee had I not purchased them and priced them at BIN)…

 

[Recons.Com]

Non-profits that cannot afford 2800$ have plenty other options to get another name, typically using 3 letter acronym and one full word.

 

[Prometheus]

Another sale:

abar.org, 1,500 USD, 2016-04-29, BuyDomains

 

[Federer]

I may just load up on another 200-300 4L.org
4-6 will sell to end users....

 

[Prometheus]

New sales:

iugm.org, 360 USD, 2016-05-08, NameJet
chdw.org, 476 USD, 2016-05-07, GoDaddy
ncbs.org, 3,300 USD, 2016-05-01, NameJet

NCBS: National Bird Show. Nice sale.

 

[Federer]

Found a huge bulk of past sales:

zika.org 3,000 USD 2016-02-02 BuyDomains
gpms.org 3,700 USD 2016-01-07 Sedo
leed.org 3,433 USD 2015-12-13 Pheenix
flix.org 3,200 USD 2015-12-04 Sedo
prri.org 3,759 USD 2015-09-07 Sedo
diss.org 3,888 USD 2015-06-26 BuyDomains
taut.org 3,377 USD 2015-02-05 Sedo
onsf.org 3,999 USD 2015-01-14 Sedo
cfoc.org 3,295 USD 2014-10-01 GoDaddy
opex.org 3,288 USD 2014-07-30 Sedo
gavi.org 3,999 USD 2014-07-23 Sedo
wfda.org 3,550 USD 2014-07-20 GoDaddy
ilhr.org 3,061 USD 2014-07-08 GoDaddy
iccc.org 3,050 USD 2014-06-28 GoDaddy
iepa.org 3,749 USD 2014-06-18 Sedo
tpex.org 3,096 USD 2014-05-21 GoDaddy
afip.org 3,500 USD 2014-05-14 NameJet
acss.org 3,000 USD 2014-05-07 GoDaddy
iear.org 3,150 USD 2014-04-24 GoDaddy
ifop.org 3,000 USD 2014-03-19 GoDaddy
gccs.org 3,087 USD 2013-12-11 Sedo
kush.org 3,088 USD 2013-11-24 Afternic
cred.org 3,688 USD 2013-08-26 Afternic
fami.org 3,000 USD 2013-08-05 Afternic
iclc.org 3,500 USD 2013-07-11 Sedo
ecoe.org 3,388 USD 2013-06-17 Afternic
ahcs.org 3,000 USD 2013-06-03 Afternic
fias.org 3,000 USD 2013-05-20 Afternic
ecit.org 3,088 USD 2013-04-29 Afternic
gems.org 3,441 USD 2013-04-10 GoDaddy
okgo.org 3,088 USD 2013-04-08 Afternic
csmi.org 3,288 USD 2013-02-18 Afternic
abid.org 3,500 USD 2013-01-28 Afternic
ccog.org 3,200 USD 2012-12-30 Afternic
omca.org 3,088 USD 2012-12-30 Afternic
zine.org 3,840 USD 2012-11-14 Sedo
hmsc.org 3,388 USD 2012-11-11 Afternic
jets.org 3,433 USD 2012-09-12 NameJet
emoe.org 3,433 USD 2012-08-15 NameJet
made.org 3,000 USD 2012-05-09 URLs.net
epca.org 3,000 USD 2012-04-11 Afternic
kizi.org 3,930 USD 2012-03-14 Sedo
favs.org 3,188 USD 2012-03-07 Afternic
deep.org 3,200 USD 2012-02-29 NameJet
gbsi.org 3,488 USD 2012-02-15 Afternic
page.org 3,300 USD 2012-01-04 Sedo
ijet.org 3,288 USD 2012-01-01 Afternic
elsf.org 3,200 USD 2011-12-05 NameJet
wcca.org 3,679 USD 2011-11-30 Afternic
spin.org 3,400 USD 2011-11-09 SnapNames
dear.org 3,500 USD 2011-11-02 Afternic
epam.org 3,288 USD 2011-10-26 Afternic
pull.org 3,500 USD 2011-09-21 Afternic
gssi.org 3,425 USD 2011-09-21 Sedo
xmas.org 3,380 USD 2011-08-10 Sedo
gigi.org 3,000 USD 2011-08-10 Afternic
asso.org 3,400 USD 2011-08-03 Afternic
esmi.org 3,200 USD 2011-07-29 Sedo
wcid.org 3,650 USD 2011-07-20 Sedo
mpmc.org 3,500 USD 2011-05-04 Afternic
cigs.org 3,388 USD 2011-04-13 Afternic
aday.org 3,125 USD 2011-04-13 Afternic
sccl.org 3,388 USD 2011-03-09 Afternic
lpig.org 3,333 USD 2011-03-09 NameJet
eier.org 3,000 USD 2011-03-09 Sedo
nvus.org 3,188 USD 2011-03-02 GoDaddy
snap.org 3,200 USD 2011-02-27 NameJet
cefa.org 3,988 USD 2011-02-16 Afternic
lghs.org 3,300 USD 2011-02-02 Sedo
biaa.org 3,000 USD 2011-01-17 Sedo
cblt.org 3,790 USD 2011-01-07 Sedo
mecu.org 3,361 USD 2010-11-10 Afternic
bige.org 3,150 USD 2010-10-27 Sedo
ongo.org 3,400 USD 2010-05-26 Afternic
gcte.org 3,038 USD 2010-04-28 NameJet
afor.org 3,300 USD 2010-04-07 Afternic
aspi.org 3,388 USD 2010-03-03 Afternic
tyra.org 3,988 USD 2009-11-18 Afternic
worm.org 3,485 USD 2009-07-29 Afternic
urns.org 3,188 USD 2009-06-02 Afternic
basc.org 3,500 USD 2009-03-24 Afternic
hrma.org 3,005 USD 2009-03-10 GoDaddy
gulf.org 3,100 USD 2008-12-02 NameJet
lets.org 3,488 USD 2008-04-01 Afternic
pawn.org 3,600 USD 2008-03-04 SnapNames
eria.org 3,288 USD 2007-09-18 Afternic
prtc.org 3,400 USD 2007-09-17 Afternic
vita.org 3,700 USD 2007-09-04 SnapNames
umbi.org 3,000 USD 2007-05-29 Afternic
ficc.org 3,088 USD 2007-04-25 Private
tmhs.org 3,000 USD 2007-03-12 Afternic
ipsa.org 3,288 USD 2007-02-28 BuyDomains
leve.org 3,088 USD 2007-01-04 BuyDomains
ship.org 3,675 USD 2006-12-20 SnapNames
road.org 3,202 USD 2006-12-20 SnapNames
apme.org 3,900 USD 2006-06-27 SnapNames
jeep.org 3,100 USD 2006-04-25 SnapNames
bats.org 3,568 USD 2006-03-07 SnapNames
cdmp.org 5,000 USD 2015-11-23 Sedo
onyx.org 4,173 USD 2015-10-24 Pheenix
wasm.org 4,494 USD 2015-10-13 GoDaddy
bill.org 4,550 USD 2015-07-08 Flippa
scce.org 4,000 USD 2015-07-07 BuyDomains
laws.org 10,000 USD 2015-05-04 Sedo
arts.org 10,350 USD 2015-03-01 Heritage Auctions
ceri.org 5,000 USD 2015-02-08 DomainNameSales
dots.org 6,766 USD 2015-01-23 NameJet
text.org 5,012 USD 2015-01-14 Flippa
tdsc.org 5,500 USD 2014-10-15 Sedo
ifly.org 4,620 USD 2014-09-03 Sedo
joma.org 5,050 USD 2014-03-10 NameJet
repp.org 5,505 USD 2014-02-16 GoDaddy
lapd.org 4,600 USD 2014-01-15 NameJet
ctdo.org 9,977 USD 2013-12-08 Afternic
slot.org 7,000 USD 2013-12-08 Afternic
slot.org 7,000 USD 2013-11-27 GoDaddy
coin.org 4,000 USD 2013-11-24 Afternic
afhh.org 6,611 USD 2013-10-16 NameJet
dimu.org 4,000 USD 2013-08-19 Afternic
rock.org 4,999 USD 2013-06-11 NameJet
hive.org 10,000 USD 2013-04-10 Sedo
cuny.org 8,923 USD 2013-02-20 NameJet
quip.org 5,540 USD 2013-01-09 Sedo
seeu.org 4,188 USD 2012-12-02 Afternic
nitc.org 4,588 USD 2012-11-18 Afternic
yele.org 4,110 USD 2012-11-12 GoDaddy
attc.org 5,088 USD 2012-09-30 Afternic
voke.org 5,488 USD 2012-07-30 Afternic
gait.org 4,388 USD 2012-07-18 Afternic
cbit.org 5,000 USD 2012-05-23 Afternic
itaa.org 9,200 USD 2012-04-19 NameJet
phys.org 6,000 USD 2012-04-11 Afternic
gulf.org 5,000 USD 2012-03-26 NameJet
coop.org 9,660 USD 2012-02-22 NameJet
sexy.org 7,500 USD 2012-01-12 Sedo
baca.org 4,000 USD 2011-10-05 Afternic
rayo.org 5,600 USD 2011-08-03 Afternic
fhit.org 5,000 USD 2011-08-03 Sedo
appo.org 5,000 USD 2011-08-03 Sedo
keer.org 4,388 USD 2011-07-20 Afternic
file.org 6,000 USD 2011-07-13 URLs.net
nous.org 4,088 USD 2011-07-13 Afternic
noel.org 4,500 USD 2011-04-06 Afternic
eier.org 4,170 USD 2011-03-23 Sedo
mame.org 7,500 USD 2011-03-12 Sedo
ucpa.org 4,260 USD 2011-03-09 NameJet
iusy.org 7,500 USD 2011-03-01 Sedo
open.org 6,200 USD 2011-02-22 Sedo
ssrs.org 4,500 USD 2011-02-20 Sedo
club.org 10,000 USD 2011-01-31 Sedo
toni.org 4,000 USD 2011-01-18 Sedo
talk.org 5,100 USD 2011-01-17 Sedo
plus.org 10,000 USD 2011-01-12 Sedo
hits.org 4,400 USD 2011-01-12 NameJet
kobo.org 10,000 USD 2011-01-06 Sedo
rtlp.org 4,006 USD 2010-12-08 GoDaddy
bali.org 7,500 USD 2010-11-03 SnapNames
like.org 9,420 USD 2010-10-19 SnapNames
xmas.org 5,000 USD 2010-09-23 Afternic
club.org 7,500 USD 2010-06-23 Afternic
airp.org 5,588 USD 2010-06-09 Afternic
napa.org 7,101 USD 2010-05-26 NameJet
figa.org 5,500 USD 2009-10-07 Sedo
oats.org 4,000 USD 2009-08-12 Afternic
html.org 7,000 USD 2009-07-22 Sedo
reit.org 4,540 USD 2009-06-02 SnapNames
gulf.org 4,000 USD 2008-12-30 Rick Latona
next.org 9,000 USD 2008-07-29 Moniker
rape.org 6,850 USD 2008-07-22 SnapNames
jiee.org 5,300 USD 2008-07-01 NameJet
cost.org 8,900 USD 2008-06-07 NameJet
agri.org 4,500 USD 2008-05-19 Afternic
show.org 8,266 USD 2008-05-06 Sedo
bail.org 7,000 USD 2008-03-25 T.R.A.F.F.I.C.
bags.org 4,903 USD 2008-02-19 SnapNames
gnet.org 4,400 USD 2007-12-26 NameJet
nhse.org 4,000 USD 2007-12-05 NameJet
guys.org 9,420 USD 2007-11-27 T.R.A.F.F.I.C.
moon.org 5,020 USD 2007-10-19 GoDaddy
holt.org 9,000 USD 2007-08-28 Sedo
hymn.org 4,500 USD 2007-07-03 SnapNames
oned.org 5,000 USD 2007-02-01 Afternic
anal.org 5,500 USD 2007-01-18 Moniker
yuan.org 7,106 USD 2007-01-17 Sedo
wavc.org 5,088 USD 2006-12-13 Moniker
acpa.org 4,037 USD 2006-11-07 SnapNames
apsp.org 6,000 USD 2006-10-12 Afternic
alex.org 10,000 USD 2006-10-10 BuyDomains
jafi.org 4,400 USD 2006-10-03 BuyDomains
aars.org 5,688 USD 2006-08-08 Afternic
idea.org 9,600 USD 2006-06-27 SnapNames
pcbs.org 4,401 USD 2006-05-09 SnapNames
icao.org 5,700 USD 2006-04-11 SnapNames
vnis.org 7,500 USD 2004-11-24 Afternic
lcia.org 5,025 USD 2004-06-25 Afternic

 

[Manik]

Nice to know that random LLLLs are selling at almost at the same value as one word LLLLs. Thanks for compiling the sales.

 

[bazabizo]

guys lets cut it short there is an average of 65-70 LLLL.org sales per year that are above $1,000! These are the ones reported by Namebio only, not to mention the rest, we can easily assume a total of 300 per year in total.
These are mostly western Premiums.
Number of total Western Premiums : 160,000
Number of Western Premiums in Sedo and Afternic = 45,000. This is the total available for sale by domainers. Which means a lot of others are either privately sold previously or owned by resellers that are willing to sell passively.
I can assume an average of 0.5% sales per year! So, to get a real profit you should sell your names at 1700+ each to get revenue.

I assumed here that Parking revenue is a plus to all the above, which is something good to consider as well! you can get in average 10-15 uniques per month for each western premium you own. So if you own a 1000 you can get 12,500 uniques in average which is like another $75 parking revenue monthly or $900 annually!
I can make parking my profit and sell teh names at 1700 each, then eventually you get a 50% markup annually.

I wish this humble analysis helps you guys

 

[Prometheus]

Afternic sales do not appear in namebio. I have already reached to 0.72% in 5 months, having 1100 western chips ($600-$1000 price range). Note that most of my sales do not appear in namebio except a sedo sale.

@bazabizo It would be nice to see the same analysis for LLLL.net. (After November buyout). It seems that orgs selling better than nets.

 

[alcy]

guys lets cut it short there is an average of 65-70 LLLL.org sales per year that are above $1,000! These are the ones reported by Namebio only, not to mention the rest, we can easily assume a total of 300 per year in total.
These are mostly western Premiums.
Number of total Western Premiums : 160,000
Number of Western Premiums in Sedo and Afternic = 45,000. This is the total available for sale by domainers. Which means a lot of others are either privately sold previously or owned by resellers that are willing to sell passively.
I can assume an average of 0.5% sales per year! So, to get a real profit you should sell your names at 1700+ each to get revenue.

I assumed here that Parking revenue is a plus to all the above, which is something good to consider as well! you can get in average 10-15 uniques per month for each western premium you own. So if you own a 1000 you can get 12,500 uniques in average which is like another $75 parking revenue monthly or $900 annually!
I can make parking my profit and sell teh names at 1700 each, then eventually you get a 50% markup annually.

I wish this humble analysis helps you guys

what formula do u use to turn 12k uniques into $75 revenue?

 

[alcy]

Nice to know that random LLLLs are selling at almost at the same value as one word LLLLs. Thanks for compiling the sales.

sorry but it is not the right kind of comparaison... imo

cause owning idea.org or guys.org is a great sure investment.. whereas to get near the value of those two with random 4l.org u need thousands of them and be good at the numbers game.

it's just two seperate things and categories of dommains/investment.

 

[bazabizo]

not a formula based on the average performing traffic. You can expect 500 clicks from these and around 15 cents each click. Its not a very accurate thing approached but generally calculated based on 4% CTR

 

[alcy]

not a formula based on the average performing traffic. You can expect 500 clicks from these and around 15 cents each click. Its not a very accurate thing approached but generally calculated based on 4% CTR

okay. however by average payouts and your average park company like bodis or parking crew, today, I think you will end up rather far from 75$ with 12k uniques.

 

[bazabizo]

ok... you will $2