news LLLL.net & LLLL.org Sales Reports And Discussion

[Prometheus]

I think it is needed to have a discussion thread of 4L.net & 4L.org end-user sales, especially after the buyout of those assets. Since Namebio.com is not able to track all of the transactions (email contact, Afternic, etc.), please feel free to contribute as much as relevant, maybe reporting your own sales.

Here are some sales on namebio:

daka.net, 2999 USD, 2016-04-07, Sedo
cfba.net, 2336 USD, 2016-04-06, BuyDomains
huis.net, 1530 USD, 2016-04-06, DropCatch
euwi.net, 610 USD, 2016-03-31, GoDaddy
agea.net, 424 USD, 2016-03-29, DropCatch
kite.net, 1655 USD, 2016-03-28, NameJet
dibs.net, 849 USD, 2016-03-25, Flippa
vape.net, 9000 USD, 2016-03-24, Sedo
nolo.net, 356 USD, 2016-03-23, GoDaddy
hola.net, 2000 USD, 2016-03-21, NameJet
omtp.org, 1011 USD, 2016-04-12, NameJet
poem.org, 8000 USD, 2016-04-09, NameJet
tcba.org, 1742 USD, 2016-04-06, BuyDomains
treu.org, 3388 USD, 2016-04-05, BuyDomains
onrc.org, 361 USD, 2016-04-05, NameJet
iaid.org, 4140 USD, 2016-04-01, Sedo
humo.org, 3000 USD, 2016-03-30, Sedo
gpwg.org, 810 USD, 2016-03-23, GoDaddy
lcam.org, 1888 USD, 2016-03-17, BuyDomains
caps.org, 9875 USD, 2016-03-13, Grit Brokerage

Please post only confirmed sales.

 

[Arca]

Yes they handle escrow for BIN transactions.

Good to know. I was under the impression that they only did escrow for names registered with them.

 

[Federer]

Although I am not 100% sure. Will let you know as soon as one of those 4L.org sells

 

[Arca]

Although I am not 100% sure. Will let you know as soon as one of those 4L.org sells

I had a look at their terms again, looks like they don't handle escrow for BIN names not registered with them:

You agree that assignment of a list price and designation of a listing as “Buy It Now” shall constitute your agreement to transfer the domain name to a buyer upon buyer's payment of the price you have listed. "Buy It Now" listings are limited to domain names registered via Uniregistry as registrar.

Also:

Completion of Sale and Use of Escrow.com
We do not provide an escrow service. Our “Secure Simultaneous Exchange” service allows a buyer and seller to transact purchases and sales through the Uniregistry Marketplace, but at no time do we hold the domain name or the agreed compensation in trust for either party pending completion of a transaction. At all times until the exchange, both the domain name and the agreed compensation are under the sole control and beneficial ownership of the seller and buyer, respectively, each of which may cancel a transaction at any time until the exchange is performed. Buyers and sellers wishing to use escrow services provided by Escrow.com shall be bound by the applicable Escrow.com terms of service and to the payment of fees to Escrow.com as agreed by the buyer and seller. We do not warrant the performance or security of transactions completed via Escrow.com.

 

[Federer]

Another sale, yesterday:
apid.org - $3066 (BuyDomains)

 

[NPer]

The list pasted earlier in this thread contains many words (English and other languages)- which are not random LLLL.org. Not really good for comparison purposes.

Take note of how few actually sell every year- that list of sales is spread over a decade.

If you reg'd 2000 .orgs, and argue that you will renew, but are asking how to price and sell them... it shows a lack of confidence and issues will pop up. I say this because you are going to need to cover costs already incurred as well as the upcoming renewals in a few months time, which are at full renewal- not at a discounted price of say $3.99 that was used for these reggies (which was actually less than 50% of standard reg price).
A massive price drop between domainers saw a LLLL.org "chip" sell for a mere $5 on NP fairly recently.

When very few people own a large amount vs. a realistic amount (that's taking into account how they have always been domaining before they reg'd these domains); it spells trouble as these individuals would need to carry a hefty cost vs. a cost that they would realistically be able afford.

Now a "buy-out" of so called "llll.org chips" actually holding seems very unrealistic at this point.

 

[Prometheus]

I have a new sale at sedo. Payment just received. d*c*n*p.o*r*g at $985.

For org holders information, half of my orgs set at 985 whereas the other half at 1850.

 

[Manik]

I have a new sale at sedo. Payment just received. d*c*n*p.o*r*g at $950.

For org holders information, half of my orgs set at 950 whereas the other half at 1850.

How do you assort $950 and $1850. Is it like Repeating letters at 1850?

 

[Prometheus]

How do you assort $950 and $1850. Is it like Repeating letters at 1850?

No randomly. For an A/B test.
But the first tier price is 985. I assumed it was 950.

 

[staringatascreen]

I have a new sale at sedo. Payment just received. d*c*n*p.o*r*g at $985.

For org holders information, half of my orgs set at 985 whereas the other half at 1850.

Out of curiosity.. are you purchasing one of the sponsored sedo listings, are you drawing attention to them somehow, or are you just leaving your names up there on sedo waiting for someone to stumble across it?

 

[Prometheus]

Out of curiosity.. are you purchasing one of the sponsored sedo listings, are you drawing attention to them somehow, or are you just leaving your names up there on sedo waiting for someone to stumble across it?

They are parked at Sedo with a BIN price (10% commission). No other effort.

 

[trp3]

They are parked at Sedo with a BIN price (10% commission). No other effort.

Would it not be more effective parking them somewhere with a big and colorful 'Buy Now' button instead of sedo? Of course it is also depending if you want making money with parking or not, nevertheless just my thoughts ..

 

[Prometheus]

Would it not be more effective parking them somewhere with a big and colorful 'Buy Now' button instead of sedo? Of course it is also depending if you want making money with parking or not, nevertheless just my thoughts ..

I find Sedo a bit more buyer-friendly, offering reasonable commission. Multi language, 10 % commission and euro payment (I live in Germany). If you have a better option in mind, please let me know.

 

[trp3]

I find Sedo a bit more buyer-friendly, offering reasonable commission. Multi language, 10 % commission and euro payment (I live in Germany). If you have a better option in mind, please let me know.

Just wanted to share thoughts. Imagine one of those busy 'time is money' end-users who is visting a common sedo parking page, feeling disrupted from all those ads and who is just leaving then without having noticed that there is a domain for sale. Decisions are usually made by seconds and affected through the very first impression.

 

[BuyWebDomains]

I've got a load of CVCV.org's finishing GoDaddy 7 day auction today.
Set the starting price at $50 each and one has a bid on it.

Hoping to sell a few more!

 

[alcy]

I've got a load of CVCV.org's finishing GoDaddy 7 day auction today.
Set the starting price at $50 each and one has a bid on it.

Hoping to sell a few more!

sounds like another type of strategory then no?
keep liting and relisting free 7day gd auctions starting say $30-50 each.. and then make minimal profit on each.. minimal as profit may be here.. I think gd takes $15 min on low value sales like $20-80 or so

 

[alcy]

Just wanted to share thoughts. Imagine one of those busy 'time is money' end-users who is visting a common sedo parking page, feeling disrupted from all those ads and who is just leaving then without having noticed that there is a domain for sale. Decisions are usually made by seconds and affected through the very first impression.

i fully agree.
endusers are not domainers.
which is why I always say even for ismple things like outbound email sales.. make sure your email is short as possible with basic most crucial info only like domain name + sale price.

I find sedo park pages crowded too. I'd use buynow prices on sedo for my 4l.org.. but not necessarily park there. maybe some like to park there cause if it sells while parked there the commission is less. 15 to 10% I think.

 

[alcy]

I find Sedo a bit more buyer-friendly, offering reasonable commission. Multi language, 10 % commission and euro payment (I live in Germany). If you have a better option in mind, please let me know.

hmmm.. doesn't sedo have that worst in domain industry min sale price value of $60 or something? so if you sell for $100.. u only get $40. if you sell for 500 u get 500-60-(10% of 500)

or 15% of 500 if not parked on sedo I think.

they have min $60 while everyone else charges $10-20

thats real nasty.

 

[trp3]

hmmm.. doesn't sedo have that worst in domain industry min sale price value of $60 or something? so if you sell for $100.. u only get $40. if you sell for 500 u get 500-60-(10% of 500)

or 15% of 500 if not parked on sedo I think.

they have min $60 while everyone else charges $10-20

thats real nasty.

Sedo is for germans with big portfolios.

I do not want to say that it is a poor marketplace - on the contrary, I even like Sedo.
It just do not properly fits with some things ..

 

[Prometheus]

Selling at $50 or $60 does not work and never offsets your investment. If someone is paying more than reseller price, than he is probably an end-user. You can find more un-motivated end-users around $50, but as said, not enough to offset your investment.

 

[alcy]

Selling at $50 or $60 does not work and never offsets your investment. If someone is paying more than reseller price, than he is probably an end-user. You can find more un-motivated end-users around $50, but as said, not enough to offset your investment.

yes I agree. small money
I was suggesting more along the lines of.. if 90% or so of 50$ start price gd auctions on 4l.org would end up with bidder.. that's still decent flipping fun and profit

however, the person who mentioned this strategy did say he has one bid only, on a ton of auctions.

cheers