LLLL.net COUNTDOWN

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It was only a matter of time... First King Com. Then .CN fell. And now... I present to you LLLL.net

This thread is designed to elicit discussion about LLLL.nets. You're encouraged to post anything you feel is relevant to LLLL.nets in this thread. This includes sales information, new regs, ...

Feb 05, 2008: All quad premium LLLL.nets are registered

 

[glabnet]

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What a stable economy. Why we even need end users in domaining when we can just flip domains? And prices miraculously go upwards.

I do not see in it anything bad Se la vi.
After all collectors of stamps do not use them for mail sending and etc.

 

[Ja$on]

And you always have the shot at selling one of those for $1500. :D

 

[Alex]

I do not see in it anything bad Se la vi.
After all collectors of stamps do not use them for mail sending and etc.

Ok, if this is your POV, I respect it.

But IMO, domains are meant for businesses not for collectors.

IOf you want to have fun and collect a rare item, go ahead and make the LLL.name countdown. After all there are less than 20k LLL.names, and these LLL's are so rare, that there would be less letters in the domain than in the tld. You can collect trillions of domain possibilities, and everything will be unique. But that does not add up value automatically.

Really, besides of strong cctld's in their respective countries, nothing can be compared to .com. .net is not so bad, but this market is too huge. And the fact that something is sold out does not automatically mean that it has value.

I know some of the LLLL.net investors made their calculations, and are smart people. They did not invested more that they can afford to loose. but I really hope everybody made his own judgement before investing money in this (IMO) highly speculative market segment.

Good luck to all.

 

[buckshotdots]

Do some of you guys really think that an enduser wouldnt be willing to pay 20 bucks for a .net if the .com is like 300 dollars? Hell even if they pay 14 bucks then thats still double what we regged them for, either way its still pretty good profit i say.

I have owned eses ...net for 3 days now and have already received 2 legit email inquiries about this domain. 1 from Turkey where their soccer team is called eses (I sorta figured this out from his translation) and from someone with that last name. Quality ones will always have inherent value. And Amen to endusers!

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[glabnet]

Ok, if this is your POV, I respect it.

But IMO, domains are meant for businesses not for collectors.

IOf you want to have fun and collect a rare item, go ahead and make the LLL.name countdown. After all there are less than 20k LLL.names, and these LLL's are so rare, that there would be less letters in the domain than in the tld. You can collect trillions of domain possibilities, and everything will be unique. But that does not add up value automatically.

Really, besides of strong cctld's in their respective countries, nothing can be compared to .com. .net is not so bad, but this market is too huge. And the fact that something is sold out does not automatically mean that it has value.

I know some of the LLLL.net investors made their calculations, and are smart people. They did not invested more that they can afford to loose. but I really hope everybody made his own judgement before investing money in this (IMO) highly speculative market segment.

Good luck to all.

I with you completely do not agree. Almost all domainers and "end-user" - are the collectors, only some do not guess it. Almost all domains sold at auctions for the big money have no site but only a parking page. I at random took some domains sold at various times:

lunch.com $100,000 2005-07-01
predators.com $18,900 2005-07-14
photographer.com $133,000 2005-08-01
property.com $750,000 2005-08-01
dominio.com $120,0002005-08-01
secretagent.com $36,000 2007-10-17
jewelers.com $150,755 2007-04-18

All of them have parking page. And such are ~85% from all sold.
Why you send me to register .NAME if it to anybody is not necessary YET.
Here time will come and will start to collect and them. (Those to whom have not got .COM, .NET, ...)
Thousand domainers collect LLL, LLLL domains and other length and it is quite good on it earn.

By the way
Where the Chinese domains were gone - I just wished to register some tens from them.

 

[Alex]

I with you completely do not agree. Almost all domainers and "end-user" - are the collectors, only some do not guess it. Almost all domains sold at auctions for the big money have no site but only a parking page. I at random took some domains sold at various times:

lunch.com $100,000 2005-07-01
predators.com $18,900 2005-07-14
photographer.com $133,000 2005-08-01
property.com $750,000 2005-08-01
dominio.com $120,0002005-08-01
secretagent.com $36,000 2007-10-17
jewelers.com $150,755 2007-04-18

All of them have parking page. And such are ~85% from all sold.
Why you send me to register .NAME if it to anybody is not necessary YET.
Here time will come and will start to collect and them. (Those to whom have not got .COM, .NET, ...)
Thousand domainers collect LLL, LLLL domains and other length and it is quite good on it earn.

By the way
Where the Chinese domains were gone - I just wished to register some tens from them.

Are you comparing Lunch.com that gets type in traffic, and can easily be developed in many possibilities with a random LLLL.net? Or Property.com that is owned to Rick Schwartz? I do not understand what you mean, but a generic domain recoups its investment, while a random LLLL.net NOT.

I really do not know how can you even try to compare a generic with an LLLL.net. One makes money, another not. Period.

 

[glabnet]

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I really do not know how can you even try to compare a generic with an LLLL.net. One makes money, another not. Period.

Expensive domains gain the big money, cheap - small money.

 

[Malaysia]

I will have only one question to dax44. At present moment remains approximately 216,000 available ugly LLLL.net domains. Who and why has registered the others 240,000? and this number constantly increases.

domainers and end users but i wud guess majority end users..

Another 216000 LLLL.nets but definately not ugly...
lotsa gems inside.. if someone can afford to buy all 216k of those LLLL.nets it will definately be big profit for them.. eventhough if they sell at 15 usd each its oredi great profit...

 

[Alex]

Expensive domains gain the big money, cheap - small money.

My point was, maybe I was in a hurry to sell.

Property.com probably makes 25k a year. Don't know exactly as I never held a domain of such a great quality.

But let's assume 25k a year .. after 30 years it makes profit. Of course I think Rick already rejected some 7 figure offers for the name, but this is not important now. Cost of maintenance a year: $8 (regfee)

An LLLL.net costs only $8 a year. Much better price. Money made out of parking: $1 a year in general. Now some do make more while others less .. this is not the point. Net loss a year: $7. In 10 years you will pay $70 for that domain (assuming you will always make $1 a year). So in order to make a profit you will either have to develop or resell.

Developing is not the point here, since even a rubbish .name domain can make some profit if developed. Reselling is the only possibility.

While a generic domain makes profit, an LLLL does not, so you will need to resell. End users drive reseller market prices up. This is a rule in any healthy market.

Ok, the point is LLLL.com's do not have traffic too mostly (well some do). But they are better investments because of end users wanting them. Probability of an LLLL.com getting an end user price is lower than the probability of an LLLL.net.

But comparing LLLL.NET's to generics is pointless IMO, because of what I wrote now.

Anyway, I really wish you good luck.

 

[Shenron]

As I have stated before, somehow my parked LLLL.nets get 90% of the traffic of all the LLLL's I have.

 

[glabnet]

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But comparing LLLL.NET's to generics is pointless IMO, because of what I wrote now.

Anyway, I really wish you good luck.

I cannot understand, where you have seen, that I compare generic domains with LLLL domains? I wish to prove only, that all domains have the price and domainer's task to find among them such, which he can sell to somebody with certain benefit. Yet there was no such case in Internet history, that domains of type LL, LLL, LLLL.... became cheaper.
The reason in that the population of the Earth grows with huge speed and quantity of domains with certain tld remains to constants. Though I have many .com domains but I like .net domains. :imho:

 

[Alex]

Yet there was no such case in Internet history, that domains of type LL, LLL, LLLL.... became cheaper.

LLL.com's got cheaper in 2002 I think, they had no constant growing pattern.

.COM domains usually kept going up in price, but other extentions not always.

LLL.mobi's sold much higher even a year ago than now.
LLL.us had a similar situation. They even were dropped after the first buyout.
LLL.biz dropped in prices too.

basically non .com purchases are highly speculative. If you are confortable in investing in a speculative market it is ok. And sorry, if I misunderstood your generic domain post. I just had to say that they bring money while speculative investments take money.

 

[dax44]

glabnet: moderator removed available .cn keyword post - which I think was a very valid counterpoint to the LLLL.net discussion - will PM the list

 

[Dotmainer]

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LLL.mobi's sold much higher even a year ago than now.
LLL.us had a similar situation. They even were dropped after the first buyout.
LLL.biz dropped in prices too.

Sorry but comparing that TLD's is like comparing LLLL.net with generic,
simply its not possible.

All that TLD's have their limitations while .NET dont have.

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[Alex]

Sorry but comparing that TLD's is like comparing LLLL.net with generic,
simply its not possible.

All that TLD's have their limitations while .NET dont have.

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.org, .info does not have limitations too. Go grab all LLLL.org and .info? Is this a valid argument to register them?

 

[Dotmainer]

.org, .info does not have limitations too. Go grab all LLLL.org and .info? Is this a valid argument to register them?

No, its only an argument to register .NET ....


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[glabnet]

glabnet: moderator removed available .cn keyword post - which I think was a very valid counterpoint to the LLLL.net discussion - will PM the list

Hey, it was only Joke.
(I receive full Chinese domains list on my PM )

.org, .info does not have limitations too. Go grab all LLLL.org and .info? Is this a valid argument to register them?

What for to speak such nonsense. We here all not newbie and also understand, that we do.

 

[WGS_Thunder]

I've noticed my LLLL.nets are getting a lot of whois inquiries. I think I saw other comments about this. Is it a script looking for unregged or what?

 

[dax44]

ha sorry glabnet - you got me there!

there is something neat going on here - it is basically b2c versus b2b - selling versus trading - and i think simply trading .net domains with no attempt to find an end user is actually quite funny, even cool. it is probably one of the few areas where internet domains show any hint of liquidity. But just like the stock market they can easily become penny stocks and then make sure you are not left holding worthless shares when the bubble bursts ..

 

[duceman]

ha sorry glabnet - you got me there!

there is something neat going on here - it is basically b2c versus b2b - selling versus trading - and i think simply trading .net domains with no attempt to find an end user is actually quite funny, even cool. it is probably one of the few areas where internet domains show any hint of liquidity. But just like the stock market they can easily become penny stocks and then make sure you are not left holding worthless shares when the bubble bursts ..

Back in 2004-2005 when speculators were buying crappyLLL.com's for $600-1,500 there were the same doubters.

Now crappy LLL.com's are ~$8,000 minimum.... not bad ROI for 36 months.


The nice thing about the 4L.net's is we got all of the premiums for reg fee. We all understand that there is a risk. We are all willing to loose what we have invested.

Then again I'll give $1,500 for a possible $10,000 return anytime.


As my father, a successful real estate investor, always says. "A scared man never makes any money"