LLLL.net COUNTDOWN

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It was only a matter of time... First King Com. Then .CN fell. And now... I present to you LLLL.net

This thread is designed to elicit discussion about LLLL.nets. You're encouraged to post anything you feel is relevant to LLLL.nets in this thread. This includes sales information, new regs, ...

Feb 05, 2008: All quad premium LLLL.nets are registered

 

[Dotmainer]

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.net domain names are ugly and unappealing - can you name ONE well known website which uses .net ? oh , i can actually , php.net

ugly? yes because your company address has to look good, sexy, successful, smart, etc. etc. you don't go on a date wearing last year's shoes ..
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You are from USA ? Arent you ?

dada.net .... so now there are two


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[Alex]

You are from USA ? Arent you ?

dada.net .... so now there are two
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Ok zune.net, SF.net etc etc. But these sites do not prove that net is a viable option for corporates. Even MS purchased zune.com after realising how much traffic they loose to the .com.

 

[Dotmainer]

Ok zune.net, SF.net etc etc. But these sites do not prove that net is a viable option for corporates. Even MS purchased zune.com after realising how much traffic they loose to the .com.

And how to proof that .net is viable option for corporates ?

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[dax44]

regarding LLL.net I believe it will always be perceived just as .alt newsgroups were - great if you do NOT want to appear to be commercially driven. But you should not be investing $$ in names that are not appealing from a commercial perspective should you? I own hup.com and hup.net. The former is fantastic. The latter is worthless. Just like google.net. Do you think google would lose any sleep if they did not own google.net .. no. (do they own it?).

So here is my internet world view:

Commercial global sites: .com , no other will do.

Country commercial sites: ccTLD (the BEST if your services are for your nationals eg. insurance, loans, flights, holidays (vacations!)) - if you live outside US your best investment opportunity is in your own countries TLD.

Charities, open source sites, appeals: .org is great. No money to be made for investors.

Other non-commercial sites: These should be of no interest to domain investors. Period. Any TLD or ccTLD will do. But I actually like .info - so I invested $50k on a "info network" idea. But now I expect to lose most of that because the renewals are going to be $8+. Five $10k .coms would have been a much better investment. My lookout.

Parking and CPC: doomed. I own premium LLL and CCC .coms which make no money - with any parking company. Forget mini-sites - I would rather play piano in a brothel. (old advertising joke).

I love the internet. It is here to stay. My advice: do something new, different, creative - be bold and brave. Be original. Buy one domain and build a great website. You will have a happier life and make more money. If you missed this goldrush. Live with it. There will be others, but (probably) not internet domains - too many people waiting for it!

 

[filter]

My advice: do something new, different, creative - be bold and brave. Be original. Buy one domain and build a great website. You will have a happier life and make more money. You missed the goldrush. Live with it.

Well ... thanks for offering your perspective on LLL.net and your sincere advice! I have a different take on .net but certainly could be wrong ... Anyway, will see how it goes - caution is always warranted when speculating, can't really argue with that!

 

[DotCN]

regarding LLL.net I believe it will always be perceived just as .alt newsgroups were - great if you do NOT want to appear to be commercially driven. But you should not be investing $$ in names that are not appealing from a commercial perspective should you? I own hup.com and hup.net. The former is fantastic. The latter is worthless. Just like google.net. Do you think google would lose any sleep if they did not own google.net .. no. (do they own it?).

So here is my internet world view:

Commercial global sites: .com , no other will do.

Country commercial sites: ccTLD (the BEST if your services are for your nationals eg. insurance, loans, flights, holidays (vacations!)) - if you live outside US your best investment opportunity is in your own countries TLD.

Charities, open source sites, appeals: .org is great. No money to be made for investors.

Other non-commercial sites: These should be of no interest to domain investors. Period. Any TLD or ccTLD will do. But I actually like .info - so I invested $50k on a "info network" idea. But now I expect to lose most of that because the renewals are going to be $8+. Five $10k .coms would have been a much better investment. My lookout.

Parking and CPC: doomed. I own premium LLL and CCC .coms which make no money - with any parking company. Forget mini-sites - I would rather play piano in a brothel. (old advertising joke).

I love the internet. It is here to stay. My advice: do something new, different, creative - be bold and brave. Be original. Buy one domain and build a great website. You will have a happier life and make more money. If you missed this goldrush. Live with it. There will be others, but (probably) not internet domains - too many people waiting for it!

good advice, rep comming...

 

[Alex]

But I actually like .info - so I invested $50k on a "info network" idea. But now I expect to lose most of that because the renewals are going to be $8+. Five $10k .coms would have been a much better investment. My lookout.

An unorthodox advice. as you have your own registrar, you can do this quick. Delete the domains, and re-register them at their promo price. Domains would loose their age, but you would save I think about 300k, if you hand registered all those .info's for the network.

 

[dax44]

alex - i am not a registrar, just a humble WWD/GD reseller . If I cancel the domains they go to normal drop cycle. And the best ones will be snapped up!

I should have bought out a small ICANN/afilias registrar ..

 

[DotCN]

Not all the companies do know about domains. I found that many Chinese companies even use ****.net.cn as their main domains, simply because ****.cn, ****.com.cn were not available yet.

I took all the available **tech.cn ( here ** is LL: two letters) and **tech.com.cn in the April, 2007. I have sold two of them to the end users by now. In the December 2007 however, I found that at least 10 end-users newly registered **tech.net.cn and used as their companies' domain. All these 10 **tech.cn are mine, but they never asked me to purchase them So, in the December 2007, I took all the available **tech.net.cn. I don't know which LTD they will use now .

If we take all the LLLL.net, the end-users may choose other LTDs, they may purchase .com. But if .com is not available or .com is too much expensive, they may purchse LLLL.net There is the possibility, though the possibility is very low.

 

[Alex]

alex - i am not a registrar, just a humble WWD/GD reseller . If I cancel the domains they go to normal drop cycle. And the best ones will be snapped up!

I should have bought out a small ICANN/afilias registrar ..

I do not know about Rebel, as I did not use them, but maybe take a look there, you can rent your registrar.

Sorry was too lazy to check out your site and assumed it was accredited by ICANN.

 

[glabnet]

I will have only one question to dax44. At present moment remains approximately 216,000 available ugly LLLL.net domains. Who and why has registered the others 240,000? and this number constantly increases.

 

[Ja$on]

Well glab, I registered probably 40 or so of them.

...so far...

 

[Alex]

eg. I registered asigurareauto.ro - which means "car insurance" in romanian - and car insurance is something that is fairly new to the 'new' romania - I imagine it is already worth high $xxxx.

As a native Romanian speaker, I can say that it is a very nice reg. Though the whois shows a Romanian person who registered this domain, and it says it is created in 2006. Are you sure you managed to register it, as sometimes the rotld has some problems.

I will have only one question to dax44. At present moment remains approximately 216,000 available ugly LLLL.net domains. Who and why has registered the others 240,000? and this number constantly increases.

In the past weeks I just saw the NP members registering these domains.

Who: NP members, small tech geeks (who are in no way end users), ans some small businesses.

Remember that just because some persons registered and use an LLLL.net domain does not mean that they would have paid BIG BUCKS if they saw that it was taken. Probably they would have regged something else, the same domain in another tld etc, but it does not guarantee you that you would have gotten an inquiry for the name.

Why? Maybe you should answer this, I am totally clueless.

The number is increasing at this rate just because this thread exist. It would increase naturally, but at a MUCH MUCH lower rate.

 

[Tempest111]

Do some of you guys really think that an enduser wouldnt be willing to pay 20 bucks for a .net if the .com is like 300 dollars? Hell even if they pay 14 bucks then thats still double what we regged them for, either way its still pretty good profit i say.

 

[Alex]

Do some of you guys really think that an enduser wouldnt be willing to pay 20 bucks for a .net if the .com is like 300 dollars? Hell even if they pay 14 bucks then thats still double what we regged them for, either way its still pretty good profit i say.

I do not know what you call an end user, but I for myself would never sell any domain for $20 to an end user.

Who are we talking about? Corporates. What is $5.000 to a corporation. If they want the .com they would take it.

And double the regfee to an end user sale, and you have 500 LLLL.net's and get only 1 end user inquiry at best. Wow... what a stunning business technique.

 

[Dotmainer]

Who: NP members, small tech geeks (who are in no way end users), ans some small businesses.

I find small business ok, its enough for me, why everyone wants an 1Million $ name ?

Remember that just because some persons registered and use an LLLL.net domain does not mean that they would have paid BIG BUCKS if they saw that it was taken. Probably they would have regged something else, the same domain in another tld etc, but it does not guarantee you that you would have gotten an inquiry for the name.

... and same goes for LLLL.com , there is never any guarantee

The number is increasing at this rate just because this thread exist. It would increase naturally, but at a MUCH MUCH lower rate.

... like happend with LLLL.COM

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[Ja$on]

You can get close to double on Ebay, no need to look for end users.

 

[glabnet]

:bingo: Zoki - Rep added.

The sale and resale of LLL, LLLL domains reminds me collectors who collect stamps, rare coins etc. It always was, is and will be not dependent from End-User. :imho:

 

[Alex]

I find small business ok, its enough for me, why everyone wants an 1Million $ name ?

... like happend with LLLL.COM

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Small businesses would be ok, but they are very very few.

And while LLLL.com's is also a speculative investment, I say it is a low risk investment, while LLLL.net are high risk grade.

When the LLLL.com countdown thread was started in 2005, there were 100k available LLLL.com's only. And after that some big corporations registered them.

How many big corporations hold thousands of LLLL.net domains?

The sale and resale of LLL, LLLL domains reminds me collectors who collect stamps, rare coins etc. It always was, is and will be not dependent from End-User. :imho:

What a stable economy. Why we even need end users in domaining when we can just flip domains? And prices miraculously go upwards.

 

[Shenron]

Considering that 250 domains cost around $1500, I don't see much of a risk there. You only need 100 sales at $15 to pay for all those, and I doubt you won't make them if you pick your .nets properly :imho: