llll.coms in 2009

[domainator1]

WHAT WILL THE PRICE FOR THE WORST LLLL.com BE IN JAN 2009

 

[slaughterbeck]

I voted for $100 to $250 range. My approximate range would have been $135 for the very worst llll.com domains.



Best wishes,
Kimmy

 

[domainator1]

Hope to see more votes, looks like most think it will be at least $100.00!! Lets get more convinced!

 

[p_campos]

Voted in the $100 - $350 range.

I think the worst LLLL.COM will be around $120 in Jan 2009!

 

[cache]

555

 

[domainator1]

wow lets hope 555

 

[slaughterbeck]

555

That would be nice, very nice.



Best wishes,
Kimmy

 

[squid]

I vote for $100 - $250 because i can see them rising in price, sure, but not really high. $150 would be my estimate

 

[holyroller]

In my view this is just a boom made by domainer greed, (as with all booms). When it hits the top, which it will, there is only one way. I would be surprized if the market held out that long.

If the market slows and reaches the top, why would anyone consider buying them as an investment.

If (and I say if) the market does bomb,its not a question of value, you just won't be able to sell em :lol:

 

[rawandy]

In my view this is just a boom made by domainer greed, (as with all booms). When it hits the top, which it will, there is only one way. I would be surprized if the market held out that long.

If the market slows and reaches the top, why would anyone consider buying them as an investment.

If (and I say if) the market does bomb,its not a question of value, you just won't be able to sell em :lol:

True, however, more collectors make them rarer, and I think/hope most of the big ones will hold on to most of the domains, therefor we might see an increase.

Some recent sales: (Snap)
$9000 - atis.com - 30-May-2007
$4101 - fnet.com - 10-May-2007
$4100 - heya.com - 13-Jun-2007 <- a steal?
$3433 - gomy.com - 02-Jun-2007
$3400 - trik.com - 21-Dec-2007
$3100 - epik.com - 25-May-2007
$2900 - aidc.com - 10-Jul-2007
$2450 - apla.com - 31-May-2007
$2262 - nipa.com - 07-Jul-2007
$2150 - kitu.com - 28-Jan-2008
$2050 - tolt.com - 15-May-2007
$2050 - plaw.com - 15-Feb-2008
$1999 - svec.com - 30-Jul-2007
$1700 - Veup.com - Last year (my sale)
$800 - svim.com - 20-Jul-2007 <- thats what I call a good buy

I could have sorted them after date, however, im too lazy, sorted them after prices instead!.

Cheers and good luck with your sales ppl =)

 

[domainator1]

nice sale for last year!!!

 

[DomainMagnate]

around $150-200

 

[filter]

In my view this is just a boom made by domainer greed, (as with all booms). When it hits the top, which it will, there is only one way. I would be surprized if the market held out that long.

If the market slows and reaches the top, why would anyone consider buying them as an investment.

If (and I say if) the market does bomb,its not a question of value, you just won't be able to sell em :lol:

These critters have real value which will be fully realized at increasingly stable (but still steadily increasing) prices about 5 years from now (IMO). Speculation may fuel some spectacularly volatile market action in the meantime, with ups and downs possibly of 50% within relatively short periods of time occuring over the next year or two. Long-term buyers are going to keep accumulating as much as they can for the big payoff years from now, and will be glad they did. Quick flippers are going to be moving in and back out of the market without the solid conviction to hold for the long term - and without that "faith" they are going to be more susceptible to panic selling (as well as "panic buying").

But the real full-blown mania of people buying into a truly speculative bubble is still probably at least a few years away. What we're seeing right now is - believe it or not - probably still very much the early stages with lots of mini-bubbles floating on the surface of a strong current in a micro-market. LLLL.com are still substantially undervalued compared to LLL.com and even CCC.com ...

:imho:

 

[mntor]

i voted in the $100 - $250 range.

 

[holyroller]

These critters have real value which will be fully realized at increasingly stable (but still steadily increasing) prices about 5 years from now (IMO). Speculation may fuel some spectacularly volatile market action in the meantime, with ups and downs possibly of 50% within relatively short periods of time occuring over the next year or two. Long-term buyers are going to keep accumulating as much as they can for the big payoff years from now, and will be glad they did. Quick flippers are going to be moving in and back out of the market without the solid conviction to hold for the long term - and without that "faith" they are going to be more susceptible to panic selling (as well as "panic buying").

But the real full-blown mania of people buying into a truly speculative bubble is still probably at least a few years away. What we're seeing right now is - believe it or not - probably still very much the early stages with lots of mini-bubbles floating on the surface of a strong current in a micro-market. LLLL.com are still substantially undervalued compared to LLL.com and even CCC.com ...

:imho:

Remember we are talking about the worst LLLL.com domains here.
Im not 100% convinced by this argument to be honest. Im not sure how you can say a domain is undervalued when a lot of the worst LLLL.com domains have no real value other than from rarity. They have limited chance of making an income undeveloped and no real end user, so they are mearly changing hands between domainers. Yes its true the bubble could go on for a while yet, or it could end tomorrow, that is the nature of the beast, you never really know when it will end. As for prediciting 5 years from now, who knows what will happen then, perhaps we will just be hitting the bottom of the recession, perhaps the boom will continue.

 

[italiandragon]

Remember we are talking about the worst LLLL.com domains here.
Im not 100% convinced by this argument to be honest. Im not sure how you can say a domain is undervalued when a lot of the worst LLLL.com domains have no real value other than from rarity. They have limited chance of making an income undeveloped and no real end user, so they are mearly changing hands between domainers. Yes its true the bubble could go on for a while yet, or it could end tomorrow, that is the nature of the beast, you never really know when it will end. As for prediciting 5 years from now, who knows what will happen then, perhaps we will just be hitting the bottom of the recession, perhaps the boom will continue.

These things have been said over and over and over, maybe you should ask why you can`t get ZXQ.com or YKZ.com or JQX.com for less than $7,000 ?

 

[filter]

Good points, and overall a very well-balanced perspective, IMO ...

Remember we are talking about the worst LLLL.com domains here.
Im not 100% convinced by this argument to be honest. Im not sure how you can say a domain is undervalued when a lot of the worst LLLL.com domains have no real value other than from rarity.

To be honest, I'm not 100% convinced either! My gut tells me it's a 60/40 odds bet right now with a 1000% payoff on the upside. So I'll take those odds gladly - it's a nice risk/reward ratio - but won't be betting the farm on it either ....

They have limited chance of making an income undeveloped and no real end user, so they are mearly changing hands between domainers.

Maybe no obvious big money end-user knocking on my door right now, but definitely quite a few folks such as myself who like short domain names, and are tickled pink to now have a nice collection of funky little domains such as XVQT or whatever for their own use. Not concerned with (and frankly am happy not to have to worry about) traditional domaining revenue from PPC - though I do get some pleasant surprises every now and then from that too.

I came into this market as an end-user looking for the best LLLL.com I could find (registered LXIQ and a few others in September, then found the aftermarket). I stayed in this market as a trader and long-term investor, recognizing the likely demand going forward from the niche demographic I represent (slightly crazed low-budget techie). As I've gotten to know some buyers over the last few months - it's become more obvious that the demand is significant and growing - and definitely not entirely driven by flippers.

Yes its true the bubble could go on for a while yet, or it could end tomorrow, that is the nature of the beast, you never really know when it will end.

That is the nature of a bubble. But this is not (yet) a bubble. When or if it actually becomes one, I'll be one of many long-term investors waiting for the aftermath to pick up some more nice pieces dumped by panicked speculators - looking forward to the steadier long-term growth yet to come.

I posted a little review of famous market bubbles in another thread yesterday -> http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/433256-llll-com-market-flooded.html#post2551503

LLLL.com right now seem more like a young "Google" (ie, GOOG @ 100 a share in 2004) rather than a mature bubble ready to pop.

IMO.

I've never heard of a bubble that came and went in 4 months ... maybe it's just a matter of definition. But generally in my experience, one of the characteristic features of a bubble is that it keeps on going for quite a while after most people think it should have petered out - until many finally lose their faith in conventional wisdom and join in for fear of missing out - until there just aren't any buyers or money left any more ... And then comes the "could pop any moment" phase. What we're seeing now is possibly just a hint of the what the "losing faith in conventional wisdom" phase might feel like - but it's just the first wave! Still a flood of doubters yet to follow (probably around November when the massive drops of "bad" LLLL.com don't occur as predicted).

As for prediciting 5 years from now, who knows what will happen then, perhaps we will just be hitting the bottom of the recession, perhaps the boom will continue.

No one knows for sure, of course - but some outcomes are much more likely than others.

 

[mwzd]

maybe you should ask why you can`t get ZXQ.com or YKZ.com or JQX.com for less than $7,000 ?

Everyone knows the answer to this one, but no one wants to face the fact that it could happen for LLLL.com...

I like short domains, so got a few last year and few more this year. I sold a few in Jan but just to pick up better ones.

At a min. $100 for the worst ones, they'll still be below $250 they should be mathematically, which will take longer than Jan 2009, or maybe not.

 

[domainator1]

Lets keep the tolls going VOTE NOW!!!

 

[deleted984054565403]

January 2009 is only 10.5 months away. I'd be very surprised if they reach into three figures minimum in less than a year.

Until end users buy ZWKQ or JXBD, I'm not convinced they'll hold any value. The value of short domains are often artificially inflated by domainers who buy and sell to each other for an increasing amount of money. They'll hold "value" for a little while, but when people stop selling these (once they're in the domainers' hands), I predict they'll lose a lot of real value. Isn't that what happened to LLL .us? I know -- apples and oranges in terms of comparing the names themselves, but it's the same idea. :imho:

 

[italiandragon]

January 2009 is only 10.5 months away. I'd be very surprised if they reach into three figures minimum in less than a year.

Until end users buy ZWKQ or JXBD, I'm not convinced they'll hold any value. The value of short domains are often artificially inflated by domainers who buy and sell to each other for an increasing amount of money. They'll hold "value" for a little while, but when people stop selling these (once they're in the domainers' hands), I predict they'll lose a lot of real value. Isn't that what happened to LLL .us? I know -- apples and oranges in terms of comparing the names themselves, but it's the same idea. :imho:

Absolutely......that why X.com is worthless , or why ZQ.com is worthless or why ZX.com is worthless......simply because LL.com are not changing hands....


(right now I`d like to smash my own keyboard on the window.....but guess I`ll just take another cold shower....)