LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[-REECE-]

We aren't basing prices on what you can get them off noobs for.. If you want to send out 17k emails, I'm more than willing to bet you can get an LLL.com for a whole lot less than the 6k reported by 3character.com...

That's not the point. The point is that on the resale market, they always seem to go for $6k+ and in the case of premium LLLL.coms, $200+.

No offence, but the evaluations here are definately not correct. I know, and appreciate you are trying hard but I dont believe them.

With evaluation, you cant say "Some sell for $80, but most sell for $120, thus the value is $120". That is what seems to be happening.

The Minimum price for quad premiums IMO is $150. If you look hard. These $200+ values are mainly at snap, namejet etc where prices have always been inflated. What is more is this thread induces a LLLL.com hype in itself, I know I fell into it. There was a time a month or two back I was paying $3xx-$5xx for quad premiums. I stopped, had a look around, and now I can get three for the same price.

Perhaps your valuations are fair for your purchases as such. Perhaps you dont know where to look. Ill tell you once Ive picked up all I can.
Good Luck

 

[sirengirl]

I still think that it's possible to find some stupid people that have homepages at quadpremium CVCV and purchase them at 200$-500$ but this would not represent current market value. Someone who sold tyqe.com for 80 was out of market.

Thats not nice...the "stupid people" with whom you refer may be noobs or whomever. When the domainers who have created the supply and demand on LLLL.com relax a bit there will be a price correction.

 

[Andrei P.]

You are right. Stupid was not correct word Sorry

I still think that it's possible to find some stupid people that have homepages at quadpremium CVCV and purchase them at 200$-500$ but this would not represent current market value. Someone who sold tyqe.com for 80 was out of market.

Thats not nice...the "stupid people" with whom you refer may be noobs or whomever. When the domainers who have created the supply and demand on LLLL.com relax a bit there will be a price correction.

 

[rianvisser]

May I have a quick appraisal on VDDE.com?

 

[clowesy]

Essentially what my point is is as follows.
The All premium letters LLLL.com owned by Namepros+other forum members isnt that many. A lot of them are owned by big time domainers. E.G I know 2 individuals who are sitting on over a thousand 'all-premiums' each.

This rarity causes a hype. People think dang No-one here is selling them, hey there is 1 at tdnam at $250, I better buy it. They click buy, and its all over. Theyve made the mistake, they have been drawn in...

All you have to do is search. Every day I see great all premiums selling for $2xx+ and I think I would really like that name, BUT What I am doing atm is essentially buying 3 for the price of 2. My money goes further, and I get a better return on investment.

There is no logic in the suggestion that because I have to search hard it isnt the value of the names in general. I would say as long as you 'can' find them without emailing anyone at $150, then that is the minimum value.

I have recently increased my all premium portfolio to 28. I am trying to get a few more while I can. I am not posting this for the sake of agrevating others, nor to annoy people over the fact I am getting these names cheaper. This is the evaluation thread so I am giving my personal evaluation

Tom

 

[VURG]

Christmas time 2007 , but a true domainer does not stop :hehe:

At TDNAM , there are no LLLL.com under $39+$10 reg fee for BUY NOW :

Just a reminder to those who want to sell their LLLL.com with bad letters. List your domains for a BIN price of $39 and at current rates you should sell your domain for $39 at TDNAM within a few weeks which is a nice price for crappy letter LLLL.com. After fees this will be $34 in your pocket. It takes 6 weeks to get paid but you get a higher spending market than some of your other alternatives.

100% of the domains with BIN under $39 have been bought out and only two are left with that price today!

 

[Standout!]

No LLLL.coms for sale on the first page of DP. It must mean the end! :o

 

[ppx]

Anyone have any ideas on:

urlq.com and eadf.com

 

[-REECE-]

Anyone have any ideas on:

urlq.com and eadf.com

$40 and $1200 (absolute gem who's valuation is highly subjective here) imho

edit: Bet you're glad you didn't sell it back in '05

 

[ppx]

Thanks

 

[Andrei P.]

EADF.com - 220-300

 

[italiandragon]

EADF.com - 220-300

Careful.....ADF here means "Australian Defence Force" , it`s a very nice one.

 

[-REECE-]

Definitely

Have a look at this :lala:

It's scary how many acronyms there are for ADF!

Careful.....ADF here means "Australian Defence Force" , it`s a very nice one.

I do think there's alot of money to be made sending out emails to holders of premium LLLL.coms... When even us LLLL.com experts struggle to agree on prices, just imagine what your average domainer who doesn't really follow LLLL.coms is thinking!

 

[italiandragon]

Definitely

Have a look at this :lala:

It's scary how many acronyms there are for ADF!



I do think there's alot of money to be made sending out emails to holders of premium LLLL.coms... When even us LLLL.com experts struggle to agree on prices, just imagine what your average domainer who doesn't really follow LLLL.coms is thinking!

well...I did try most of the CVCV.com and I could open CAMP 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 and 10 too by sharing their selling prices , the less they know and they more they ask!!

 

[-REECE-]

:lol:

You still have me laughing about that $50k counter you got :hehe: If that's not a CAMP 10, I don't want to know what is!

well...I did try most of the CVCV.com and I could open CAMP 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 and 10 too by sharing their selling prices , the less they know and they more they ask!!

 

[italiandragon]

:lol:

You still have me laughing about that $50k counter you got :hehe: If that's not a CAMP 10, I don't want to know what is!

no no no....it was EUROS ! So make that about $70,000 for a Premium CVCV.com used by a crappy company in Germany.

After my insistent replies , they offered me to "lease it" for "only" $2,000 A MONTH!!!!!!!! :yell:

stuff them...I regged the same CVCV.info for $1.19

 

[srisri24]

stuff them...I regged the same CVCV.info for $1.19

I am sure it will be worth a lot in no time. I still think cvcv.info are really low priced right now. will be biggest ROI in 2008

 

[xman]

I haven't seen many LLLL sales starting in A

So what's the going rate with 3 premium letters and no Q?

Just wondering

 

[-REECE-]

Were you wondering about triple premium (including A), no Q or just triple premium in general xman?

I haven't seen many LLLL sales starting in A

So what's the going rate with 3 premium letters and no Q?

Just wondering

 

[italiandragon]

I haven't seen many LLLL sales starting in A

So what's the going rate with 3 premium letters and no Q?

Just wondering

Above $60 , depending on that 4th letter, may go up to $120.

I was offered $100 for AMKN.com but did not want to sell so low.