LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[timmaay]

buckshotdots: I recently Sold RXRT for $40 on ebay for reference

I hope this holds but I have a feeling once the renewals come upon us in a year / year half and someone is holding 500 qzxh type names ... well I would start thinking "damn I could of bought a crappy LLL.com or a few LLL.nets instead ... both last year and now this year..."

The above isn't necessarily a bad thing either

 

[-REECE-]

Yep I have 6 or 7 RXLL.coms I think rxru.com is ~$50-$60. Did you get it at TDNAM?

I can't seem to find the posts on people talking/buying RXxx on TDnam. I think Ergo, where you buying them? Maybe Reece as well? I picked up RXRU for RX Russia? Anyone have comments on that one?

thanks in advance, Gary.

 

[italiandragon]

buckshotdots: I recently Sold RXRT for $40 on ebay for reference

I hope this holds but I have a feeling once the renewals come upon us in a year / year half and someone is holding 500 qzxh type names ... well I would start thinking "damn I could of bought a crappy LLL.com or a few LLL.nets instead ... both last year and now this year..."

The above isn't necessarily a bad thing either

By the time of renewals , more than likely we`ll already be on the $100 mark or at the very least $60 for the worst ones. So, the ones without money will simply have to sell just a few to pay for all the renewals.

It`s happening, how can`t you see it?

 

[timmaay]

I hope the trend continues ... I have a few myself but with anything don't get overextended and it's too early to tell if this is sustainable.

"Tulips were first imported into Europe from Turkey in the mid 1500's.

The flowers soon gained in popularity, and a demand sprang up for different varieties of the bulbs. The supply (and increasing popularity) of rare varieties of Tulip bulbs couldn't keep up with the demand, and prices soon began to rise sharply.
Prices rose to such heights that by 1610 one rare bulb was considered an acceptable dowry for a bride.

As prices soared ordinary citizens soon began to view tulip bulb speculation as a sure fire way to get rich. Holland, the largest producer of the bulbs, soon became the epicenter of the mania for tulips.

People mortgaged their homes and businesses to buy the bulbs. The prices for many rare bulb types reached several hundred dollars each. One bulb of a very rare variety even changed hands at over $20,000.

By 1637 people began to see that prices had reached an outlandish level. Distribution began to take place, and as often happens after the smart money has already sold, a crash soon followed."

 

[italiandragon]

I hope the trend continues ... I have a few myself but with anything don't get overextended and it's too early to tell if this is sustainable.

"Tulips were first imported into Europe from Turkey in the mid 1500's.

The flowers soon gained in popularity, and a demand sprang up for different varieties of the bulbs. The supply (and increasing popularity) of rare varieties of Tulip bulbs couldn't keep up with the demand, and prices soon began to rise sharply.
Prices rose to such heights that by 1610 one rare bulb was considered an acceptable dowry for a bride.

As prices soared ordinary citizens soon began to view tulip bulb speculation as a sure fire way to get rich. Holland, the largest producer of the bulbs, soon became the epicenter of the mania for tulips.

People mortgaged their homes and businesses to buy the bulbs. The prices for many rare bulb types reached several hundred dollars each. One bulb of a very rare variety even changed hands at over $20,000.

By 1637 people began to see that prices had reached an outlandish level. Distribution began to take place, and as often happens after the smart money has already sold, a crash soon followed."

Nice story, I did not know it , thanks. I understand what you mean, I can`t predict if it will happen with domain names.

 

[bricio]

I hope the trend continues ... I have a few myself but with anything don't get overextended and it's too early to tell if this is sustainable.

"Tulips were first imported into Europe from Turkey in the mid 1500's.

The flowers soon gained in popularity, and a demand sprang up for different varieties of the bulbs. The supply (and increasing popularity) of rare varieties of Tulip bulbs couldn't keep up with the demand, and prices soon began to rise sharply.
Prices rose to such heights that by 1610 one rare bulb was considered an acceptable dowry for a bride.

As prices soared ordinary citizens soon began to view tulip bulb speculation as a sure fire way to get rich. Holland, the largest producer of the bulbs, soon became the epicenter of the mania for tulips.

People mortgaged their homes and businesses to buy the bulbs. The prices for many rare bulb types reached several hundred dollars each. One bulb of a very rare variety even changed hands at over $20,000.

By 1637 people began to see that prices had reached an outlandish level. Distribution began to take place, and as often happens after the smart money has already sold, a crash soon followed."

really nice story and a great example of the ups and downs of the market... it happens in every market

 

[-REECE-]

It's funny you mentioned that... I was just thinking that to myself yesterday about how 500 years from now people will probably laugh at how we paid exhorbitant sums for a bunch of letters on what we called "the Internet". What a difference 500 years can make!

I hope the trend continues ... I have a few myself but with anything don't get overextended and it's too early to tell if this is sustainable.

"Tulips were first imported into Europe from Turkey in the mid 1500's.

The flowers soon gained in popularity, and a demand sprang up for different varieties of the bulbs. The supply (and increasing popularity) of rare varieties of Tulip bulbs couldn't keep up with the demand, and prices soon began to rise sharply.
Prices rose to such heights that by 1610 one rare bulb was considered an acceptable dowry for a bride.

As prices soared ordinary citizens soon began to view tulip bulb speculation as a sure fire way to get rich. Holland, the largest producer of the bulbs, soon became the epicenter of the mania for tulips.

People mortgaged their homes and businesses to buy the bulbs. The prices for many rare bulb types reached several hundred dollars each. One bulb of a very rare variety even changed hands at over $20,000.

By 1637 people began to see that prices had reached an outlandish level. Distribution began to take place, and as often happens after the smart money has already sold, a crash soon followed."

 

[filter]

"As prices soared ordinary citizens soon began to view tulip bulb speculation as a sure fire way to get rich. Holland, the largest producer of the bulbs, soon became the epicenter of the mania for tulips."

tim-tim-timmaay ...!

here's some more reading for a laugh, and then a more sober epilogue ->

http://investment.suite101.com/article.cfm/tulip_mania

Furthermore, to give you a better idea of the tulip mania that existed in 17th century Holland, the best stories belong to those who ventured among the delusional not knowing where the source of their "nuttiness" laid. One of the more popular stories was that of a sailor who came to a rich merchant’s home to announce the arrival of an important consignment of goods.

To reward the sailor for bringing him the good news, the merchant offered the sailor anything he wanted for breakfast. Unfortunately, what the sailor wanted was a peculiar looking onion that he unwittingly grabbed from the merchant’s counter to savor with his herring. As the sailor was cutting through the last bit of the "onion," the panic stricken merchant fell upon him, screaming how the sailor ate his Semper Augustus, worth three thousand florins, or 280 pounds sterling silver. The sailor's merry breakfast cost him many months in jail, while the merchant not only suffered the injury of losing an expensive piece of property, but also the insult of having his prized possession perish in such an undignified manner - through someone's digestive system.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/63/a8158863.shtml

This Interview took place in Holland in July 2005 J.H.Warmerdam (Hann)was interviewed by Henriette Wood-Grossenbacher. He was a school boy during the war growing up in Lisse, in the Dutch bulb growing area, where he still lives. He spent his working life in the flower bulb trade and is a dear friend to an aunt of mine. He gave permission to add his story to the BBC People’s War website.
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We also ate tulip bulbs. You got a rash from them as there are some chemicals in them your body doesn’t agree with. It was also because we were malnurished and did not have much resistance. We were vulnerable. Before you knew it you had a rash again and especially in the hair which made, that you got shorn bold. It was really in the hunger winter the winter 44/45, that’s when we had to eat tulip bulbs. Before that you could get things in the shops with coupons but in that hunger winter nothing at all was available. All that there was to eat got confiscated by the Germans and went to Germany. They didn’t think the tulips were tasty so we were allowed to eat them our selves.

ahh ... just hope I don't end up trying to eat my XVQT.com in any lean times to come!

 

[allis]

Please give your opinion on what you think XQQQ.com is worth.

Thanks so much.

 

[italiandragon]

Please give your opinion on what you think XQQQ.com is worth.

Thanks so much.

$200

 

[allis]

Thanks Italiandragon

$200

Oh well.. I just sold it for $61 on tdname

Thanks for the reply.

 

[9MM]

Oh well.. I just sold it for $61 on tdname

Thanks for the reply.

Wow, why did you let it go so cheap? I noticed most repeating letter tripled sales are over $100, never saw one under...

 

[FX]

Oh well.. I just sold it for $61 on tdname

Thanks for the reply.

someone got a bargain

 

[9MM]

someone got a bargain

Lol I'm teasing her It was me actually, funny story:

I made the offer the other day, I just got back on NamePros today went on chat - 5 minutes later she says "Just got $xx offer on xqqq.com, think I should take it?" I'm like THATS ME THAT OFFERED! lol she just joined the forum to ask it and I was there, rofl...

I got a good deal for sure Now to sell it for profit

 

[italiandragon]

Wow, why did you let it go so cheap? I noticed most repeating letter tripled sales are over $100, never saw one under...

Point me where to get such names at just $100 please.

 

[9MM]

Point me where to get such names at just $100 please.

That was the cheapest, that was actually months ago and the market boomed since then so it's increased, of the list I was provided, the newest was YYYB.com I think at $300 - read pm

 

[Andrei P.]

Wow, why did you let it go so cheap? I noticed most repeating letter tripled sales are over $100, never saw one under...

Point me where to get such names at just $100 please.

Obviously!
1. TDNAM
2. 9MM

Personally I like only acronyms usage of LLLL.com So I don't see any use of XQQQ.com other than to resell it. Now please tell me what do you think is QQXQ.com or QXQQ.com worth as much as XQQQ.com?

 

[WORDSWORTH]

DCXG.com $38.50 - I would say this is not so high price for this X containing domain becase it is DC eXchanGe. XG - is a very common abbreviation for Exchange. I have one EXGb.com EXG - is the best abbreviation for Exchange but XG is still also very good. But for the others you are right, prices seem to climb higher and higher.

Thanks for this info. Rep added

I have a good one for Foreign Exchange:

FEXG.COM

I liked this domain from the outset and was glad when the buyer didn't pay at eBay ($1xx). I like it even more now.

Matt.

 

[allis]

That was the cheapest, that was actually months ago and the market boomed since then so it's increased, of the list I was provided, the newest was YYYB.com I think at $300 - read pm

Hi again 9MM,

Well, I had it forsale for $200, but you wanted it so bad and you said you only had $61, so I figured what's money when it comes to making a friend. It's Christmas. I actually lost money on that one, I knew that when I sold it. Maybe you'll do me a favor sometime too.

 

[timmaay]

nm ... naughty 9mm