LLLL.com evaluation thread

[italiandragon]

While the last LLLL.com are taken (you can check www.dyyo.com to know how many are left) , I really feel the need to have a sort of 4L price guide on the same sort of the 3L/ 3 chars price guide.

I asked to people to create a database of LLLL.com sales but it seems no one can do it so I`m going to create it myself as much as I can on just a forum thread. If I knew how to create a database I was doing it.

Keep in mind that this thread is still in the early stage and I`ll update it as much as I can. I will update this first post so it will be easier for everyone to know what`s going on in the LLLL.com aftermarket. It is going to take me a lot of my spare time but I hope that eventually soon , someone will create a software that will run by itself Till then , let`s hope I can have time!

So, just for the newbies , let`s see what we already know about the 3 chars.com price guide:

"The quality of the letter composition can play a significant role in determining 3-letter valuations. General concensus states that the letters A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T are considered premium letters. Other lesser high quality letters include: J, K, U, V, W. Lower quality letters include: Q, X, Y, Z. Domains selling for less than the above figures would represent a strong buy in today's market. Premium letter only domains tend to fetch a 500% to 600% premium (or more) over the Minimum Wholesale Price. Mixed letter quality domains have valuations somewhere in the middle of these two extremes."


I think we could adjust the same rules to the LLLL.com

Let`s play a little bit with the letters to find out what are the minimun reseller prices as for now , end of September 2007 (NOTE: THIS FIRST THREAD IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED WITH THE NEW INFO HIGHLIGHTED IN RED)

Obviously we should analyse in this thread ONLY the NON pronunciable ones to consider ONLY the quality of letters, so not even a very well known acronym but only 4 random letters.

For the "other" LLLL.com sales and evaluations based on pronunciability , then you may find useful this other thread:

http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread.html

I`ll start with my opinion but feel free to add yours so we can get to a sort of price guide.

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A LLLL.com including 2 or more of "Q, X, Y, Z" (as long as they are not 2 of the same) I`d say less no more than $10 since there are still 12,000 of them left.

EXAMPLE: GXZH.com (no more than $10)

There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in less than 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/hzxv-com-Origin...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Obviously even with 2 "bad letters" , when they start to be pronunciable this is what happens:

ZAYM.com $201

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162205723&category0=&fvi=1

Double letters such as:

GXXH.com
ZZDC.com
FYYT.com
DRQQ.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $20-$30 depending on the letters. Double but not consecutives letters would just be below the above ones.


XSXT.com $20.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170160241510&category0=&fvi=1



Triple bad letters such as:

QQQD.com
FZZZ.com
RXXX.com
YYYG.com

I`d appraise them at minimun $70-$100 depending on the letters.


Then we may analyse the ones with only 1 bad letter (always Q, X, Y, Z):

FGZS.com
EYDF.com
PXSE.com
TFQG.com

These kind of LLLL .com are still available so reg fee to $10 , must be for them.


UPDATED:

SOME AUCTIONS ON EBAY ARE GETTING ABOVE $10:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ZWTO-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/FGXR-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

UPDATE 13 OCTOBER: ON EBAY PRICES ARE CONSTANTLY ABOVE $10 FOR LLLL WITH JUST 1 BAD LETTER , SOMETIMES ABOVE $20 TOO.

ZATB.com $12.49

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=270170293855&category0=&fvi=1

RLYN.com $36

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200159375608&category0=&fvi=1


RBYK.com $29.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163278990&category0=&fvi=1


HRHY.com $30.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162203800&category0=&fvi=1


YATG.com $23.95

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885146&category0=&fvi=1


a double letter with 1 bad letter :

IIZP.com $42

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300161869692&category0=&fvi=1




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Then we have the ones which include the group "lesser high quality letters": J, K, U, V, W.

These ones have lately bought totally so the minimun reseller price must be above reg fee , let`s say $10 - $20 depending from the letters. Some people tend to include J, K and U in the premium letters. I`d definitely include the vowel U but I guess this is a personal point of view.
Even here at NP , LLLL including just the letter U tend to outperform this category:

FGUB.com $32 (October 2007)

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-auctions/383276-fgub-com-1-start-great-4letter.html

It may be also useful to consider that K and W were sold out earlier than J and V.



There is one example of these ones right now on ebay, ending in 3 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UMGV-COM-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


UPDATE 25 OCTOBER:

Things are getting hotter (at the moment less than 7000 LLLL are left) and U and this category is quickly raising its reselling value on EBAY:

DPTU.com $54.51 now

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162512206&category0=&fvi=1


RWEO.com $78.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/RWEO-com-LLLL-4...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


The letter U and W obviously are not that bad

The letter V in Italian is very much used , while in China is not so a lot depends from your background.

J is not my favourite in this group (as in the Italian alphabet there is no J-K-W-X-Y ) but certainly is getting attention by someone else:

RCEJ.com $30

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=120172045546&category0=&fvi=1


Then we have 2 of the group J, K, U, V, W such as:

GJJA.com
FVVO.com
KKTR.com

I`d say $30 to $50 as they are all gone and the double letter will increase their rarity.


FNKK.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162204984&category0=&fvi=1

2 of them but not the same 2 (double) are less valuable:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VWTP-com-4-Lett...ryZ11153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VDUZ.com $26

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=200159969339&category0=&fvi=1


WPEJ.com $23.15

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200163499690&category0=&fvi=1


With 3 of them , like :

GJJJ.com
FVVV.com
KKKT.com

I`d say $100 -$150

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Then we have the best of the best: ALL PREMIUM letters:


A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T



Names like CLFO.com or FGTR.com or ATFI.com are going to get $$$.

I can`t find any of these LLLL.com for less than $100 , sometimes not even $200 buy them.
So I`d say a really minimun of $100 to easily $200 each.
At places like Snapnames.com, the all premium letters even if they are non pronunciables , are going already for above $400 and the market is getting hotter day by day.

If the name appears to have 2 of a kind like:

SSFO.com or GBBT.com then we should be at minimun $200 to $300

3 of a kind such DDDF.com or TLLL.com will get over $300 to $500

SPECIALS​

Anything like this is an added value.

In my daily observation of LLLL.com sales I noticed that any of the following abbreviations and/or suffixes are more valuable:

- IT (Information Tecnology or Italy)

- MY

Examples:

IMYO.com $449

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=300158326938&category0=&fvi=1

BMMY.com $350

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18688&tracked=&partnerid=


HFMY.com $37.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=300162885558&category0=&fvi=1


- UK

UKIX.com ended on TDNAM.com @ $146

- DE

- US

- CA

- OZ (Australia)

- NZ (new Zealand)

- GO

- HI

Examples:

HIXV.com $59 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...from=R8&satitle=120169750537&category0=&fvi=1

- OK

- KG

- CV (Curriculum Vitae)

- DR (Doctor)

- DJ

Examples:

DJBX.com $45 (October 2007)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=170158507650&category0=&fvi=1


And more that I`ll add as soon as I can think of them!

Also,some letters add value because of their very common use.

The letter E , I and O add value usually because can mean E-lectronic , I-nternet and O-nline.

Other nice letters are:

C for Corporation or Company , L for Limited , A for Association.

The best positions are usually in the first or in the 4th spot depending from the letter. For example E will be better in the first spot while L for Limited will be better in the 4th spot but all of these letters can add value.


Other special categories that attract a bonus are based on the numbers of vowels.
There are only 5 vowels so the LLLL.com with 4 vowels are extremely rare and even the ones with 3 vowels perform very well as their demand is high.

Some recent examples:

OEOV.com $56

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183807446&category0=&fvi=1


EOAJ.com $52

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=110183814160&category0=&fvi=1

CVCV & VCVC​

Let`s start from the TOP this time:

CVCV.com

all premium letters Like BIFE.com or DAGO.com

minimun......well here it is hard since prices increase quickly ....maybe $1,500 ?


CVCV.com with 1 bad letter like BIZE or DAQO.com about $800

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like NUQE.com or VAXO.com about $500

CVCV.com with 1 bad and 2 average letters like WUQA.com or ZOVU.com

about $300

It was right WUQA.com that made me realize that I forgot the 1 bad + 2 average ones. People reported that WUQA.com ended on TDNAM.com at $315 (end of October)

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters like QEZI.com or ZIXO.com about $400

CVCV.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like QUZI.com or ZUXO.com about $300

CVCV.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like QUZU.com or ZUXU.com about 300



Now let`s see the VCVC.com

all premium letters Like IFEB.com or AGOC.com about $1,000 ?

VCVC.com with 1 bad letter like IZEB or AQOC.com about $500

VCVC.com with 1 bad and 1 average letters like OZUD.com or AXUF.com about $300 - $350 (I sold OZUD.com on SEDO in August for $330)

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters like AXEZ.com or IQOX.com about $200

VCVC.com with 2 bad letters and 1 average letter like UXEZ.com or UXOQ.com about $100

VCVC.com with 2 bad and 2 average letters (MUST BE DOUBLE U) like UZUQ.com or UXUZ.com about 100



I`m currently taking input on the CVCV and the VCVC where Y is the last vowel.

The first recent example is this one:

OGYZ.com $57.99

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sid=m37&satitle=200157925898&category0=&fvi=1


I leave the CVVC and VCCV to others as I did not have much experience with them yet.


SALES OF RANDOM (NON PRONUNCIABLE) LLLL.COM AT OTHER VENUES:

SEDO.com​

Interesting Sedo Auctions show many crappy LLLL.com with bids

UPDATE: CHECK THE AUCTIONS BELOW THAT ARE NOW ALL ENDED....PRICES ARE GETTING SHOCKING!

zekh.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18336&tracked=&partnerid=

zeow.com $300

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18360&tracked=&partnerid=

ucnk.com $120

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18468&tracked=&partnerid=

ahlq.com $243

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18528&tracked=&partnerid=


hobf.com 100 Eur= $140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18576&tracked=&partnerid=


jvbb.com 100 Eur=$140

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18693&tracked=&partnerid=

yvze.com 70 Euros=$105

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_detail.php?language=us&auction_id=18730&tracked=&partnerid=


Are we already starting to see a minimun price of $100 for each LLLL.com ?


Please share your opinions on the one of the hottest niches of the domain market

Thank you

 

[-REECE-]

Yeah I'm seeing sales around the same with starting letter A.

Compare to about $40 min wholesale on a triple premium without starting letter A.

Above $60 , depending on that 4th letter, may go up to $120.

I was offered $100 for AMKN.com but did not want to sell so low.

 

[xman]

Thanks Lorenzo and Reece

 

[italiandragon]

Thanks Lorenzo and Reece

You`re welcome


I just had a good look at TDNAM as routine check to monitor the bottom prices:

LLLL.com with option Buy it now under $100 for the first time since I started looking at this in August have gone under 200.

right now only 171 listings

and these are the cheapest ones (always remember you need to add $10 to get any):

uhxs.com - 0 $39 51D 2H
ohzc.com - 0 $39 54D 0H
bpuq.com - 0 $44 10D 2H
odjl.com - 0 $44 14D 2H
lfoj.com - 0 $44 50D 2H
odgj.com - 0 $44 83D 2H
opgj.com - 0 $44 83D 2H
iojl.com - 0 $44 77D 20H
ldej.com - 0 $44 77D 20H
ofjl.com - 0 $44 77D 20H
ogjl.com - 0 $44 77D 21H
ljte.com - 0 $49 48D 2H
egjn.com - 0 $49 79D 2H
gsje.com - 0 $49 79D 2H
ojnf.com - 0 $49 4D 2H
orjh.com - 0 $49 10D 2H
ojdn.com - 0 $49 14D 2H
nfej.com - 0 $49 14D 2H
ojnp.com - 0 $49 14D 2H
fpje.com - 0 $49 50D 2H
lnij.com - 0 $49 50D 2H
ortj.com - 0 $49 8D 2H
lzem.com - 0 $49 20D 2H
bnlq.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
fkiq.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
frqn.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
fzaq.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
gqcy.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
grvz.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
jqvm.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
mkcq.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
ouqw.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
ouwq.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
pxvq.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
qknv.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
qkoh.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
qkux.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
qvnr.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
tcyv.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
ueyr.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
vbxf.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
vfnx.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
vmvq.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
xvpo.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
zbxo.com - 0 $49 82D 7H
cqen.com - 0 $49 84D 17H
ckxp.com - 0 $50 43D 2H
brjy.com - 0 $50 33D 2H
rrju.com - 0 $50 36D 14H
frjl.com - 0 $50 36D 15H

 

[xman]

I've been noticing that myself Lorenzo.

I tell you I think we (LLLL.com holders) made the right decision investing in this niche. I actually started collecting in early 2007 and still buying today and will continue to buy. I feel like I'm addicted to LLLL.com because I told myself I won't be buying anymore until January 2008 but I end up purchasing a few VCVC and a few triple premiums without a Q recently.

 

[FPForum]

I picked up neqg.com today. any thoughts?

 

[9MM]

I picked up neqg.com today. any thoughts?

NEQG.com - One bad letter (q - worst of the worst/right in the middle) - bonuses: n is strong and e is strong/both next to each other, vowel in the middle making it partially pronounacble - I would value this at $40-60 easily resale :imho:

 

[dannbkk]

I've been noticing that myself Lorenzo.

I tell you I think we (LLLL.com holders) made the right decision investing in this niche. I actually started collecting in early 2007 and still buying today and will continue to buy. I feel like I'm addicted to LLLL.com because I told myself I won't be buying anymore until January 2008 but I end up purchasing a few VCVC and a few triple premiums without a Q recently.

Yes it's easy to keep on spending and investing when you can clearly see the market going upwards. Dont worry your not the only one that says I will not spend anymore but does.

 

[tbh]

What are your thoughts on xenf.com and vekq.com?

 

[-REECE-]

I told myself that about a month ago Have added 200+ LLLL.coms to my collection since!

Got good deals on a few, although I've been mostly buying in anticipation of the future, rather than to make a quick buck in the here and now.

Yes it's easy to keep on spending and investing when you can clearly see the market going upwards. Dont worry your not the only one that says I will not spend anymore but does.

 

[xman]

I told myself that about a month ago Have added 200+ LLLL.coms to my collection since!

Got good deals on a few, although I've been mostly buying in anticipation of the future, rather than to make a quick buck in the here and now.

Pretty much the same here.

Everything I'm buying now could easily be flip with little profit but my take is hold it for a few years for much greater ROI.

 

[clowesy]

Question: I am sure there was similar thread about LLL.mobi, LLL/NNN.us,LLL/NNN.info, .eu in general.

I remember just after the sellout I got $450 offers on my LLL.mobi everyday. I struggled to sell them for $300 a few months ago, and the norm is around $200 for an all premium.

.eu: I had some awful ones, like theblog.eu which recieved a $2xx offer just after the .eu landrush, by renewal time I was contemplating not renewing it.

.us/.info: All my LLL.us wont even sell for half what I bought them for! NNN.us I am struggling to sell too.

These examples lead me on to the following. LLL.com/.net etc, they were the first names to be bought out essentially. There are so many more 4 letter .coms comparitively. I could sell my LLLL.com on here for 3 times what I could sell them for on 'the other forum'.

Now to put it into perspective I own about 600 LLLL.com, my thinking however is to sell them now WHILST the prices IMO are ridiculously over inflated.
It is a bit hit and miss with every investment. If I sell up now and make a great profit, then I will want the prices to decrease.
If I keep them, and sell them in the future I am obviously going to hope the prices increase.

With no offence intended I feel this thread, and the LLLL.com sales thred, and the LLLL.com countdown thread have simply overhyped the market. So I am thinking SELL SELL SELL. Discuss....

Also in relation to that, can someone name a 'type' of domain in the past 5 years that after its initial price boom has continued raising in value.

Tom

 

[filter]

hi Tom

Question: I am sure there was similar thread about LLL.mobi, LLL/NNN.us,LLL/NNN.info, .eu in general.

"A rising tide lifts all boats."

However, the .mobi / .us / .info / .eu extensions have not exactly been consistently "rising tides" ...

The .com extension on the other hand ...

I remember just after the sellout I got $450 offers on my LLL.mobi everyday. I struggled to sell them for $300 a few months ago, and the norm is around $200 for an all premium.

Welcome to the wonderful world of fluctuating prices in speculative markets ...! With no "real" basis to anchor values, a lot depends on market psychology - fear and greed ... Fear trumps greed -> prices go down fast when there's a stampede for the exit.

I could sell my LLLL.com on here for 3 times what I could sell them for on 'the other forum'.

Seems like a good arbitrage opportunity then - buy LLLL.com there and sell them here ... I've been trying my luck with a bit of the same on eBay (buying a few "anti-premiums" here and selling them there - with a bit of timing & marketing involved as well).

Now to put it into perspective I own about 600 LLLL.com, my thinking however is to sell them now WHILST the prices IMO are ridiculously over inflated.

Selling while prices are strong is a good move. On the other hand, selling "winners" too soon is an often-heard trader's lament.

Also often-heard -> "the trend is your friend - until the bend at the end!"

It is a bit hit and miss with every investment. If I sell up now and make a great profit, then I will want the prices to decrease.
If I keep them, and sell them in the future I am obviously going to hope the prices increase.

The market's going to do what the market's going to do, no matter what any one of us hopes it will for whatever reason.

With no offence intended I feel this thread, and the LLLL.com sales thred, and the LLLL.com countdown thread have simply overhyped the market. So I am thinking SELL SELL SELL. Discuss....

There is certainly a lot of excitement about LLLL.com here - but the "hype" may be more of a reflection of what's going on in the larger market rather than a primary driving force. Or not ... I haven't been paying close attention to much beyond my own "anti-premium" niche, which is really a long-term play I've always expected to be a bumpy ride for quite some time. So I buy what I can when prices are low, and sell a few whenever I need to - preferably when prices are up a bit, but can't always plan on that good timing - though I've been fairly lucky with it so far.

If you sell sell sell, I suspect quite a few people reading this thread will be very happy to buy buy buy - they're building up inventory for end-user sales years down the road. Reseller market price fluctuations due to levels of forum hype waxing and waning from month to month just averages out for the long-term players who are buying as much as they can afford to month in and month out, as long as the reseller price is significantly lower than whatever various "real value" estimates different buyers have calculated for this large but ultimately very finite pool of short .com domain names.

No one really knows for sure what and when to make the one "perfect" move in this market - sometimes you have to go with your best instincts. If you think it's a good time to take profits - you might be right! Go for it - you can always get back into the market again later.

Also in relation to that, can someone name a 'type' of domain in the past 5 years that after its initial price boom has continued raising in value.

Good .com names desired by end-users is the one "type" that jumps to mind. Probably a few other niche collectable categories too such as CCC.com - hopefully people who know more about longer history than I do can describe in more detail. (Though with CCC.com, maybe good to also keep in mind that "past performance is no guarantee of future returns").

 

[italiandragon]

Question: I am sure there was similar thread about LLL.mobi, LLL/NNN.us,LLL/NNN.info, .eu in general.

I remember just after the sellout I got $450 offers on my LLL.mobi everyday. I struggled to sell them for $300 a few months ago, and the norm is around $200 for an all premium.

.eu: I had some awful ones, like theblog.eu which recieved a $2xx offer just after the .eu landrush, by renewal time I was contemplating not renewing it.

.us/.info: All my LLL.us wont even sell for half what I bought them for! NNN.us I am struggling to sell too.

These examples lead me on to the following. LLL.com/.net etc, they were the first names to be bought out essentially. There are so many more 4 letter .coms comparitively. I could sell my LLLL.com on here for 3 times what I could sell them for on 'the other forum'.

Now to put it into perspective I own about 600 LLLL.com, my thinking however is to sell them now WHILST the prices IMO are ridiculously over inflated.
It is a bit hit and miss with every investment. If I sell up now and make a great profit, then I will want the prices to decrease.
If I keep them, and sell them in the future I am obviously going to hope the prices increase.

With no offence intended I feel this thread, and the LLLL.com sales thred, and the LLLL.com countdown thread have simply overhyped the market. So I am thinking SELL SELL SELL. Discuss....

Also in relation to that, can someone name a 'type' of domain in the past 5 years that after its initial price boom has continued raising in value.

Tom

I think that between .com and .us/.mobi or whatever you named there are huge differences.
Everytime people tried to show how good .mobi is , the .mobi naysayers hit deep........then we all know that the .US is a second best in the Usa because americans still think .com = Usa
All stats are showing that the internet penetration is still 18 % globally so if this is not enought to motivate a good bet on LLLL.com while the LLL.com double every year in value , well then I don`t know what to say.
I may sound like I`m hyping sure but my question is: am I selling any LLLL.com ? The answer is no.
Am I buying LLLL.com? The answer is yes.
It`s a little different from the car dealer trying to close it`s monthly sales forcing people to buy a lemon.
The market is there , the buyers are simply increasing in number and in quality. Mr Adam Dicker bought in 2006 4,000 LLLL.com spending about $50,000 so far for their registration fees but today they worth already about $1,000,000
Surely, people with less money like me had to wait the buyout to move. It was the best timing for little investors. No one know what will happen for sure but there are datas available to anyone to decide with their own head what to do.
Personally, I think it`s the biggest and best opportunity for expert and also new domainers since the investment is little , it`s .com , they are short and they are sold out. And on top of that , if the naysayers can say that LLL.com will keep rising from a minimun of now $6 or $7,000 to $15,000 - $20,000 by next year , what is going to happen to LLLL.com is not hard to picture.
I`ll keep buying everything I can and will eventually sell only 1 or 2 premium ones to just keep buying more of the cheapest ones.
I have been analysing this market since May 2006 very carefully day by day , taking note of as much as I could and if I`m putting 99 % of my money on this , it should explain a lot.

 

[Alex]

Very interesting points everybody. It is this kind of discussion that opens the mind, the one that is necessary on a domain forum.

1. I think we cannot compare too much LLL.mobi's or LLL.eu's with LLLL.com's. The first two were speculative markets, and their sales were not based on end user demand. While LLLL.com's sell for end users too, at fluctuating rates depending on letter quality too, but there is demand. With the first two, there was more speculation.

2. Domain investing is strange, and sometimes the end user demand is not oriented in the same areas as the domainer demand. The driving force of this market should be end users.

3. LLLL.com's (with some exceptions) are not producing enough traffic. So their profit comes from sales. In this way it is a speculative market. But the price should be set by end user sales.

4. End user sales are the driving of this market. However this market has some anomalies already. I don't know how domains like LLN.net's were all registered and getting above regfee. It is beyond me. Out of all the CCC.net's I guess there are yearly less than 10 end user sales. Or .biz, LLL.biz sells for mind $xx minimum. Who uses it? It is just a domainer's collectible, owning an LLL in a gtld. I do not see it different as end users lack there. And I wanted to give the example of .biz just because I did not want to give example other extentions that sell much higher, where end user demand is way too limited.
From this perspective, I would rather invest $50 or $60 in a decent LLLL.com, than investing it in a LLL.biz. Orwithout a doubt I'll buy a good LLLL.com rather than LLL.info or LLL.mobi, LLL.us. We are talking about .com, and we are talking about real sales.

5. Will there be LLLL.com categories that will make a better ROI than others? Absolutely. In my opinion quality LLLL.com's will rise significantly, simply because there is demand for them. Premium LLLL.com's, pronounceable ones, good acronym domains are a safe bet IMO. The untouched territory relies in the anti premium market (a market with less than 10k domains overall). I don't know about that. That territory is not backed up by end user deals (yet?), and that is the one that is the most speculative one.

Regardless of that I will sell a part of my LLLL.com portfolio, because I need some diversification. I will invest in keyword domains that are more appealing to end users, and will try to get at least 1 very good domain. But I will continue to buy too, but in specific categories. I'll continue to buy premium LLLL.com's (even now I offer $170 to anybody for 1), and will sell some in January, and others in February. I will have two big LLLL.com megasales so everybody be advised to put some money apart for them.

 

[clowesy]

Very interesting points everybody. It is this kind of discussion that opens the mind, the one that is necessary on a domain forum.

1. I think we cannot compare too much LLL.mobi's or LLL.eu's with LLLL.com's. The first two were speculative markets, and their sales were not based on end user demand. While LLLL.com's sell for end users too, at fluctuating rates depending on letter quality too, but there is demand. With the first two, there was more speculation.

Surely end users dont buy based on letters, rather acronyms.

2. Domain investing is strange, and sometimes the end user demand is not oriented in the same areas as the domainer demand. The driving force of this market should be end users.

I may have got this wrong, but I think you are trying to say that the 'chance' of an end user purchase is what motivates domain investors such as us. With that I would agree.

3. LLLL.com's (with some exceptions) are not producing enough traffic. So their profit comes from sales. In this way it is a speculative market. But the price should be set by end user sales.

RE Italiandragons point, at the rate of population increase, and internet usage the traffic out LLLL.coms get in the future might be very important.
Imagine if every LLLL.com you owned earned $7 a year. That would make them superb investments. Imagine if the internet doubled in usage, you would earna 100% profit on your investment every year

4. End user sales are the driving of this market. However this market has some anomalies already. I don't know how domains like LLN.net's were all registered and getting above regfee. It is beyond me. Out of all the CCC.net's I guess there are yearly less than 10 end user sales. Or .biz, LLL.biz sells for mind $xx minimum. Who uses it? It is just a domainer's collectible, owning an LLL in a gtld. I do not see it different as end users lack there. And I wanted to give the example of .biz just because I did not want to give example other extentions that sell much higher, where end user demand is way too limited.
From this perspective, I would rather invest $50 or $60 in a decent LLLL.com, than investing it in a LLL.biz. Orwithout a doubt I'll buy a good LLLL.com rather than LLL.info or LLL.mobi, LLL.us. We are talking about .com, and we are talking about real sales.

So true. I sold, or at least have tried to sell nearly all my domains that fit these criterion: LLL/NNN.biz/.info/.us I simply no longer believe in them and feel there are much better investments.
What I would say is that filter pointed out CCC.coms They have continued to increase in value significantly. Like ccc.nets there cant be that many end users for these kind of names, and thus it is simply or mainly the reseller collectability factor.

Regardless of that I will sell a part of my LLLL.com portfolio, because I need some diversification. I will invest in keyword domains that are more appealing to end users, and will try to get at least 1 very good domain. But I will continue to buy too, but in specific categories. I'll continue to buy premium LLLL.com's (even now I offer $170 to anybody for 1), and will sell some in January, and others in February. I will have two big LLLL.com megasales so everybody be advised to put some money apart for them.

OOI How heavily invested in LLLL.com are you?

Great points everyone.
Tom

 

[Alex]

OOI How heavily invested in LLLL.com are you?

Will sell about 200 LLLL.com's and will keep a reasonable number of them.

 

[BLazeD]

Excellent points from Clowesy and others - great reading!

 

[clowesy]

Another interesting thing I just thought of. I read somewhere on NP That someone wanted to get a group of people together who owned .tv domains, and list them on ebay all in the same format to raise awareness of the extension.

What would happen if 'we' did similar with LLLL.com? I think the abundance of them would lower the price, I.E Do the inverse.

I was considering selling off some of my worst LLLL.com to raise funds to pay off a debt. It would be ideal if I could just list them all on ebay, and get $60 a piece.
Based on the above it seems that IMO it would be best to maybe list 5 at a time to keep the 'rarity' factor.

Next thinh is venue. Ebay, and tdnam both seem to be good selling venues. tdnam I believe is the best based on selling price. Thus would it be in my best interest to list 5 on ebay, 5 on tdnam at a time OR list 5 on tdnam at a time, or list 5 on tdnam each day giving a days gap between auction ending times. Please note my plan is to maximise money and minimize the number I have to sell

 

[italiandragon]

Another interesting thing I just thought of. I read somewhere on NP That someone wanted to get a group of people together who owned .tv domains, and list them on ebay all in the same format to raise awareness of the extension.

What would happen if 'we' did similar with LLLL.com? I think the abundance of them would lower the price, I.E Do the inverse.

I was considering selling off some of my worst LLLL.com to raise funds to pay off a debt. It would be ideal if I could just list them all on ebay, and get $60 a piece.
Based on the above it seems that IMO it would be best to maybe list 5 at a time to keep the 'rarity' factor.

Next thinh is venue. Ebay, and tdnam both seem to be good selling venues. tdnam I believe is the best based on selling price. Thus would it be in my best interest to list 5 on ebay, 5 on tdnam at a time OR list 5 on tdnam at a time, or list 5 on tdnam each day giving a days gap between auction ending times. Please note my plan is to maximise money and minimize the number I have to sell

That`s correct and I agree. It`s always like that for anything. It`s supply versus demand.

List 100 LLL.com (3 letters .com) at the same on Sedo and you won`t get the same that you would by listing one per week.

 

[timmaay]

Imagine if every LLLL.com you owned earned $7 a year. That would make them superb investments. Imagine if the internet doubled in usage, you would earna 100% profit on your investment every year

Wouldn't that be 0 to (-3) profit per year .... never forget holding costs.
This would qualify them as speculative investments.