Kentucky Seizes 141 Gambling Domains

[Kenny]

http://www.thedomains.com/2008/09/22/kentucky-seizes-gambling-domains/

The domains seized include: (the full list is on the adobe file)

fulltiltpoker.com
indiancasino.com
bet21.com
allslots.com
bodoglife.com
bookmaker.com
SportsBook.com
SportsBetting.com
superslots.com
pokerstars.com
doylesroom.com
GoldenPalace.com

From the comments:

Rick Schwartz // Sep 22, 2008 at 3:20 pm

I own IndianCasino.com for a long time. I got word late last week and initially thought it was a joke. I was given no notice of any investigation or any indication of a problem. I still have the domain name and the last time I looked there is this thing called DUE PROCESS. So we have to see where this goes but it is scary if ANY GOVERNMENT in any jurisdiction in the world could just seize your domains.

My gut reaction is that the state is overreaching and in time they will withdraw their complaint. There is a program in process for disputes and just because they are a state does not allow them to ignore that process.

 

[central]

Live updates from Kentucky Online Gambling Domain Seizure Hearing:

http://www.gambling911.com/gambling...main-seizure-hearing-live-updates-100708.html

Thanks to user Internet Sweden at wn.se.


central

 

[hotdomains]

Thanks for link!

 

[namenut]

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[Rebel-Man]

another update on GoDaddy http://www.thedomains.com/2008/10/09/did-godaddy-lie/

 

[phantom4444]

another update on GoDaddy http://www.thedomains.com/2008/10/09/did-godaddy-lie/

And so the truth appears to raise it's head.....worrying times for all and I think this is going to blow up into something a lot bigger judging by some of the responses to that story :td:

 

[mwzd]

Oooooh, go daddy really stepped in it this time.

I'm sure that along with being the #1 registrar in the world, they're also #1 on the domainers shit list, along with netsol.

Rick and Howard are justified in turning purple.

 

[labrocca]

OMG....

The guy is ADAM DICKER who came up to me at lunch time to ask me to please announce to the crowd that GoDaddy did NOT give up the domains.

That's so unreal. Adams reputation continues to be blackened imho. Over the years his name continually pops up in places where controversy is brewing. Remember the insider auction stuff he was involved in? Now this. WTF

I think the point Howard is making is while these companies are supported by our industry dollars, they don’t return the support and in this case as in others, sold us down the river. How any domainer can live with that without speaking out is beyond me. These folks need to be shaken by the ankles until they understand and stop kicking us in the balls.

As egotistical as Rick is...I think I just started to like him.


I going to link to this again since imho it's an important read from some important people in domaining:

http://www.thedomains.com/2008/10/09/did-godaddy-lie/

 

[ecigs.net]

Horse Racing Money!!!!

i would guess i am the ONLY one who agrees with the state of kentucky.i am not a follower of the masses,just because it's popular,nor,for pure greed of money.

i think NONE of you can honestly look your kids in the eyes and tell them that ONLINE GAMBLING is moral,NOR ANY GAMBLING PERIOD.IF you can,YOUR A VERY CORRUPT PARENT.
NOR would you be willing to admit to your church minister that you support any form of GAMBLING or ADULT WBSITES.

I feel the same way about ADULT WEBSITES,they are morally corrupt,and as a parent your just as corrupt IF you support such sites or run such an online business.

at 1st,i also thought,that the state may have overstepped some of our freedoms,our rights,BUT,after i read the Governor of Kentucky's statement,I TOTALLY agree with him.

The only problem i had at 1st WAS NOT the he was taking control of gambling or adult domains,it was my worry of government taking away our real legal rights.

Bottom line is this:

Finally the CHURCH WINS,and THE CHRISTIAN PEOPLE WHO ELECTED THE GOVERNOR of Kentucky.

I am positive it is THE WILL of THE CHRISTIAN MAJORITY of the State of Kentucky that that takes this WIN and IT WILL NOT BE REVERSED.

AS WELL,I absolutely believe that Alabama and most all other states will follow.

It's been LONG OVERDUE.

Many people hide behind they fancy sunday clothes and their nice shiny new cars,pretending they someone they not.

This is a shakedown by the CHURCH,and I hope it's only the beginning for Online GAMBLING and ADULT WEBSITES.

Look around your life,and where you live and tell me there's not FAR TOO MUCH CORRUPTION being fed into your kids lives.

Money OR what is TRULY right??????

It sounds like you just fell off the stupidity truck. This isn't about right and wrong. This is about money -- horse racing money. Kentucky wants to keep the gambling and betting in Kentucky. The Internet is a betting competitor and so the Government of Kentucky is outright crushing their competition. Monopolies always abuse their power. It is the standard practice of evil empires!

 

[Traveler]

It sounds like you just fell off the stupidity truck.

I want to say that was not called for, but in this case :] I can't really argue :p

 

[ecigs.net]

It's not about religion, it's not about cousins marrying cousins, it's not about the KKK, it's not about any of that BS, plain & simple it's about business. If you could hamper one of your biggest competitors (online gambling), appease 2 of your larger groups (Horse racing & the antigaming groups) by attempting to force some website owners to stop providing their product to your state it's win win win. You get the typically unresponsive gambler group to look for alternatives to online gaming, you make the antigambling groups happy by removing the online gambling, you make the horse racing industry happy by being one of the only options to gamble.

BTW it's just my opinion & I'm no more right anyone else.

You are absolutely right. It is absolutely and totally about money.

I want to say that was not called for, but in this case :]

My apologies. :red:

 

[Dave_Z]

Obviously I don't know the intricate legalities behind what Go Daddy did. But if
I understood even the slightest bit from what I've learned from lawyers, what
Go Daddy did can practically force their affected customers to go to Kentucky
to dispute this to prevent losing their registrations.

IMHO, they should've just told the court they might honor their order without
having to say outright they're turning jurisdiction over to them. Quite a shame
they did that, and it's practically too late to like retract it or something.

 

[rjmlar]

Internet gambling sites bypass state and federal laws by installing their operations off-shore. Forget puritan morals: it's also bad for any local economy whether it competes with horse racing, lotteries, casinos, off-track betting (OTB is also illegal in Kentucky, for obvious reasons), and other forms of legal gambling. Gambling sites are illegal, pure and simple. I don't blame any state government for at least trying to get it under control.

On the other hand, separation of of church and state must always take precedence. If this turns into an issue of the Christian right my support goes to the domain owners and their illegal gambling operations. Besides, I seriously doubt Kentucky government is competent enough to succeed at going up against big business. Frankfort is accustomed to caving into business interests, not the other way around.

As for the gamblers themselves, online or on a river boat, I simply don't understand them. I just know there are cheaper ways to self-destruct. I would wager that the majority of online gamblers here in Kentucky put what's left over in the church basket.

 

[recluse99]

Reading all this, just reminds why people become hackers/crackers, because of bigtime BS that large authoritative powers have and how they abuse it...
This also just goes to show, take anything and make it valuable-watch the greed and jealousy grow...

 

[ecigs.net]

Greed and Power

Internet gambling sites bypass state and federal laws by installing their operations off-shore. Forget puritan morals: it's also bad for any local economy whether it competes with horse racing, lotteries, casinos, off-track betting (OTB is also illegal in Kentucky, for obvious reasons), and other forms of legal gambling. Gambling sites are illegal, pure and simple. I don't blame any state government for at least trying to get it under control.

Your claim that, "Gambling sites are illegal, pure and simple." is a fallacy and can not be logically defended with such a blanket statement. You have no proof that online gambling is illegal everywhere in the world, pure and simple. In fact, you are wrong.

In Europe, online gambling is legal (and probably in many other regions of the world as well). For example, PartyPoker.com is pubically traded on the London Stock Exchange (PRTY and currently trades at 138 pound per share.). That's the UK. Obviously the UK is a very legitimate country in the world. The rule of law is upheld in the UK. (I only say this in such a simple, obvious way because you use the word OFFSHORE to suggest illegal activity, when in truth it just means not in the USA, as most of the world is likewise not in the USA.) PartyPoker, along with many other online gambling sites like Pokerstars.com, advertise on television in Germany during prime time slots. (If you don't believe me, here's a tv spot for Poker Stars.) There is nothing shady or illegal about many online gambling sites or the countries that allow it (the UK and Germany being just two). Claims that some sites are scams has no bearing on whether many sites are honest businesses. Online Gambling is an accepted industry outside of the United States. There is nothing morally wrong about Online Gambling.

Furthermore, some of the sites seized did not even conduct gambling on them. According to the DNN, "some of the domains are simply parked websites with no recent history of taking any bets." They were seized from domainers because of the language in the name alone. Free Speech (calling your website any name you want) is a right that Kentucky can not overrule because the local Horse-Racing-Lobby donates to your political party.

The government of Kentucky can not be allowed to enforce their hypocritical, self-serving rules on the International community. The act undertaken by Kentucky is absolutely one of greed and abuse of power, pure and simple.

 

[bobbie]

Internet gambling sites bypass state and federal laws by installing their operations off-shore. Forget puritan morals: it's also bad for any local economy whether it competes with horse racing, lotteries, casinos, off-track betting (OTB is also illegal in Kentucky, for obvious reasons), and other forms of legal gambling. Gambling sites are illegal, pure and simple. I don't blame any state government for at least trying to get it under control.

Bubba Beshear is NOT against gambling. He tried to get legal casinos in Kentucky when he was elected. It was shot down. TwinSpires.com is a legal online horse racing site based on the commonwealth of Kentucky. The site is operated by Churchill Downs, home of the Kentucky Derby. That institution is engaged in online gambling. So gambling in the state is not a novel concept. This is hypocrisy and greed, not morals.

for the gamblers themselves, online or on a river boat, I simply don't understand them. I just know there are cheaper ways to self-destruct. I would wager that the majority of online gamblers here in Kentucky put what's left over in the church basket.

How much would you like to wager? :hehe:

 

[hiyip]

This is really big news indeed. It will be very interesting to see where this goes.

 

[WildGoose]

Should Louisiana file suit too?

Maybe the Louisiana governor should file suit to seize twinspires.com and argue that Kentucky is corrupting their fine citizens.

From the spires web site

Our Newest Players: Welcome Louisiana Residents

In order to improve your account wagering experience, FGNetBet has been merged with TwinSpires.com. You will continue to enjoy the same one-account experience whether you are at Fair Grounds and Fair Grounds OTB parlors or accessing your account online or over the phone with TwinSpires.com.


Full story here

I guess its ok to play the horses, just stay away from the cards in the Kentucky's governors mind.

 

[bobbie]

Maybe the Louisiana governor should file suit to seize twinspires.com and argue that Kentucky is corrupting their fine citizens.

From the spires web site

Our Newest Players: Welcome Louisiana Residents

In order to improve your account wagering experience, FGNetBet has been merged with TwinSpires.com. You will continue to enjoy the same one-account experience whether you are at Fair Grounds and Fair Grounds OTB parlors or accessing your account online or over the phone with TwinSpires.com.


Full story here

I guess its ok to play the horses, just stay away from the cards in the Kentucky's governors mind.

That's a brilliant idea. lol. Would love to see states against gambling blocking their site.

 

[rjmlar]

Bubba Beshear is NOT against gambling.
He tried to get legal casinos in Kentucky when he was elected. It was shot down. TwinSpires.com is a legal online horse racing site based on the commonwealth of Kentucky. The site is operated by Churchill Downs, home of the Kentucky Derby. That institution is engaged in online gambling. So gambling in the state is not a novel concept. This is hypocrisy and greed, not morals.

Look closer at what I said and you'll see me agreeing with you.

Kentucky's economy was built on tobacco, booze, gambling, and fast food chains. Kentucky's reputation isn't exactly a healthy one. Poisons have always been our bread and butter. I agree that it's ridiculous to bring morals into the gambling debate. Hypocrisies in government and business (there's a difference?) are at an all-time fantastic level.

But the fact remains, internet gambling is illegal and Kentucky has the right to protect its own gaming interests the same way casinos enjoy "protection" in Las Vegas. Personally, I don't care one way or the other how this plays out. Gambling is just one of many examples of the state's (calling KY a "Commonwealth" is just too absurd for words) lack of imagination.

 

[ecigs.net]

The Kentucky Commonwealth of Iran

Look closer at what I said and you'll see me agreeing with you.

Kentucky's economy was built on tobacco, booze, gambling, and fast food chains. Kentucky's reputation isn't exactly a healthy one. Poisons have always been our bread and butter. I agree that it's ridiculous to bring morals into the gambling debate. Hypocrisies in government and business (there's a difference?) are at an all-time fantastic level.

But the fact remains, internet gambling is illegal and Kentucky has the right to protect its own gaming interests the same way casinos enjoy "protection" in Las Vegas. Personally, I don't care one way or the other how this plays out. Gambling is just one of many examples of the state's (calling KY a "Commonwealth" is just too absurd for words) lack of imagination.

Your fact that internet gambling is illegal is not a fact. You are quite wrong in saying it is a fact. Internet gambling, as I said earlier on page three of this thread, is quite legal in many countries. If you remember, I pointed out that PartyPoker.com stock is available for sale at the London Stock Exchange.

Please review my next four statements and answer my question at the end. I am really curious what your answer is going to be.

1) Internet Gambling is illegal in Kentucky. Internet Gambling is not illegal in many parts of the world.

2) Should the ownership of all gambling websites be turned over to the Kentucky government because a Kentucky court deems them illegal?

3) Pornography is illegal in Iran. Pornographic sites are not illegal in many parts of the world.

4) Should the ownership of all pornographic websites be turned over to the Iranian government because an Iranian court deems them illegal?

What's the difference between the laws of the USA and those of other governments? Why do Americans seen to think their laws are more valid than everyone else's laws.