Kentucky Seizes 141 Gambling Domains

[Kenny]

http://www.thedomains.com/2008/09/22/kentucky-seizes-gambling-domains/

The domains seized include: (the full list is on the adobe file)

fulltiltpoker.com
indiancasino.com
bet21.com
allslots.com
bodoglife.com
bookmaker.com
SportsBook.com
SportsBetting.com
superslots.com
pokerstars.com
doylesroom.com
GoldenPalace.com

From the comments:

Rick Schwartz // Sep 22, 2008 at 3:20 pm

I own IndianCasino.com for a long time. I got word late last week and initially thought it was a joke. I was given no notice of any investigation or any indication of a problem. I still have the domain name and the last time I looked there is this thing called DUE PROCESS. So we have to see where this goes but it is scary if ANY GOVERNMENT in any jurisdiction in the world could just seize your domains.

My gut reaction is that the state is overreaching and in time they will withdraw their complaint. There is a program in process for disputes and just because they are a state does not allow them to ignore that process.

 

[BitcoinDK]

Look closer at what I said and you'll see me agreeing with you.

Kentucky's economy was built on tobacco, booze, gambling, and fast food chains. Kentucky's reputation isn't exactly a healthy one. Poisons have always been our bread and butter. I agree that it's ridiculous to bring morals into the gambling debate. Hypocrisies in government and business (there's a difference?) are at an all-time fantastic level.

But the fact remains, internet gambling is illegal and Kentucky has the right to protect its own gaming interests the same way casinos enjoy "protection" in Las Vegas. Personally, I don't care one way or the other how this plays out. Gambling is just one of many examples of the state's (calling KY a "Commonwealth" is just too absurd for words) lack of imagination.

Your fact that internet gambling is illegal is not a fact. You are quite wrong in saying it is a fact. Internet gambling, as I said earlier on page three of this thread, is quite legal in many countries. If you remember, I pointed out that PartyPoker.com stock is available for sale at the London Stock Exchange.

Please review my next four statements and answer my question at the end. I am really curious what your answer is going to be.

1) Internet Gambling is illegal in Kentucky. Internet Gambling is not illegal in many parts of the world.

2) Should the ownership of all gambling websites be turned over to the Kentucky government because a Kentucky court deems them illegal?

3) Pornography is illegal in Iran. Pornographic sites are not illegal in many parts of the world.

4) Should the ownership of all pornographic websites be turned over to the Iranian government because an Iranian court deems them illegal?

What's the difference between the laws of the USA and those of other governments? Why do Americans seen to think their laws are more valid than everyone else's laws.

I agree 100%.

Exactly what I tried to point out in this thread about the same issue:
http://www.namepros.com/522731-goodbye-bob-parsons-2.html

As SpareDomains write
"I believe are moniker, network solutions and fabulous which means that even if the domain owners are ruled against it gives the owners an appeal process, by godaddy handing over a certificate it basically says whatever this kentucky court rules is what we will follow and the major defense point is why does kentucky have jurisdiction, godaddy handing over the certificate is being used by the prosecution as ammo to say we must be right as they turned over the certificates and are saying whatever kentucky decides is the law, so the major argument is why does kentucky have jurisdiction and enom and godaddy gave them jurisdiction while other registrars are fighting, when some random state outlaws the next item just know that godaddy and enom will hand the court jurisdiction without providing you an appeal process or challenging the states jurisdiction"

I really cant see how/where/who gives Kentucky the jurisdiction/power/right to snap domains with an internationale extension? where does it stop then?

If a gambling website with a .fr extension target Kentucky citizens, would they also try to snap that? where does it stop?

Then what stoppes China, Iran or Russia to demand domains which are against there law's?

Would GoDaddy and the others also accept Iranian court, if the Iranian court decides that gayiran.com (I dont know if this site exist, just made it up) must be transfered to the Iranien Government, cause according to them there is no gays in Iran and this site is inmoral and bad for the Iranian people!???

It would be something else if Kentucky had their own extension which they ruled over, and had regulations saying no porn, gambling etc. was allowed with Kentucky extensions. Then Kentucky would have the right/power/jurisdiction to go to court and demand the domains back.

BUT demanding domains with internationale extensions (legal gambling sites in a lot of other countries) just because Kentucky (not even a country) has a law against gambling is totally idiocy!

This stupidity ranks at least besides the bodyguard who was offered and turned down $100K for domains like:
miccosukeetribeofindians.com
miccosukeetribeofindiansofflorida.com
source: http://www.namepros.com/legal-issues-and-disputes/521143-bodyguard-wants-500k-for-domain-names.html

I really cant understand this? Maybe its one of the American things which we in Europe don't get. This would never ever could have happened in Denmark.

 

[rjmlar]

Your fact that internet gambling is illegal is not a fact. You are quite wrong in saying it is a fact...

I'm at a disadvantage because you apparently know more about online gambling than I do. But I don't mind being straightened out if I'm wrong about something. Yes, I did know that online gambling is legal in most countries but it's not so cut and dry in the US and laws get foggier in certain states.

Please review my next four statements and answer my question at the end. I am really curious what your answer is going to be.

1) Internet Gambling is illegal in Kentucky. Internet Gambling is not illegal in many parts of the world.

So then, my fact is a fact as long as we're talking about Kentucky's laws? I've always thought it was stupid that OTB was illegal in Kentucky. I suppose I should think the same thing about Kentucky's online gambling laws, but I don't. But I'm open to anybody's argument.

2) Should the ownership of all gambling websites be turned over to the Kentucky government because a Kentucky court deems them illegal?

No. I don't see how Kentucky has jurisdiction. And confiscating the domain name isn't right either. I understand why some might view this as government picking on small enterprises. But we're not talking about small enterprises.

3) Pornography is illegal in Iran...4) Should the ownership of all pornographic websites be turned over to the Iranian government?

No. Good argument.

...Why do Americans seen to think their laws are more valid than everyone else's laws.

Try not to paint with such a broad brush for all Americans. Half of America is ashamed of its leadership and foreign policies, especially for the past eight dismal years. I don't have a good answer for you about the other half--except that they're the real gamblers.

 

[ecigs.net]

Try not to paint with such a broad brush for all Americans. Half of America is ashamed of its leadership and foreign policies, especially for the past eight dismal years. I don't have a good answer for you about the other half--except that they're the real gamblers.

I only mentioned the most obvious case of the USA's disregard for International law. The government constantly steps over the line because people in the US are chronically lazy when it comes to protesting government abuse. People are so used to corrupt officials, it doesn't get anyone upset anymore. People just shake their head and go back to watching TV. It is quite sad really.

 

[bobbie]

Kentucky Appeals Court Stops Action On Kentucky Domain Seizures

http://www.thedomains.com/2008/11/1...a-petition-for-stay-on-domain-seizure-action/

 

[-REECE-]

Great to hear

Kentucky Appeals Court Stops Action On Kentucky Domain Seizures

http://www.thedomains.com/2008/11/1...a-petition-for-stay-on-domain-seizure-action/

 

[ecigs.net]

Fantastic news. Thanks to the ACLU, EFF & CDT for jumping in on the side of sanity.

http://www.eff.org/files/filenode/ky_v_domainnames/amicusbriefky.pdf

 

[Pred]

yes, good news. however its just a break in things, it aint over.

there needs to be an independent inquiry into how things got this far imho

that means looking at emails, letters etc between those 'interested parties'

the existing real gambling businesses in the region, the local chamber of commerce, the local courts and judges, no doubt all in cahoots. exceeding their juristiction, power hungry and partially insane imho

lets face it these biatches probably grew up together strumming each others banjo strings on the porch :sold:

the judge looks no older than 13 imo

LINK 8^X